Gravity vs BMW iX5

[WildRide47]

So they really though? I'm in a rental ICE BMW right now while my AT is in for service and I've not been terribly impressed with the software reliability.

The wireless charger, if I put my phone on it, pops up with a message every 30 seconds telling me not to put any payment cards on it.

And the speed limit warning dings and pops up as soon as I hit 6mph (yes, 6, not 60) even though I have that feature turned off.

It also reads every single speed limit sign as 10 or 15mph slower than the sign actually is.

So I guess from the standpoint of "it's reliably wrong" you could say it's reliable...

I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.

 

[gaskiller]

I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.

Same thing goes with Lucid. Many had exceptional vehicles.

Still, you can’t argue the Lucid EV engineering is much better than BMW.

 

[APSenec]

I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.

I keep hearing the phrase " XYZ vehicle achieves the claimed milage". Obviously, LUCID has chosen to copy the Tesla model. But if the consumer is just focused on that, it is a pretty easy engineering formula. Pile battery cells into the car and low ball the range. It could not b e more simple engineering. Energy used per mile is understood physics: power train efficiency, rolling resistance, air drag, etc....

 

[TahoeMichael]

I keep hearing the phrase " XYZ vehicle achieves the claimed milage". Obviously, LUCID has chosen to copy the Tesla model. But if the consumer is just focused on that, it is a pretty easy engineering formula. Pile battery cells into the car and low ball the range. It could not b e more simple engineering. Energy used per mile is understood physics: power train efficiency, rolling resistance, air drag, etc....

My impression is that it is a little more complicated than that. You're right about the physics being understood, but manufacturers do have to report a range that complies with the EPA's procedures for calculating it.

 

[exxxviii]

My impression is that it is a little more complicated than that. You're right about the physics being understood, but manufacturers do have to report a range that complies with the EPA's procedures for calculating it.

This is the actual problem with the EPA protocol for electric vehicles. A manufacturer can post any made up range it wants, as long as it is less than the tested range. Several automakers sandbag the range by 20% or more, so it looks better to consumers.

 

[Leftlane]

This is the actual problem with the EPA protocol for electric vehicles. A manufacturer can post any made up range it wants, as long as it is less than the tested range. Several automakers sandbag the range by 20% or more, so it looks better to consumers.

Nobody is disappointed if their new EV goes a lot farther than what they thought they bought. Everyone is disappointed when their new EV goes a lot less than what they thought they bought. Which strategy is smarter?

Makers stating less than what buyers will actually get hurt themselves in marketing a lower number but delight their customers with the actual results. That’s the opposite of Tesla, Lucid etc who trumpet a huge number that no one actually gets.