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Gravity vs BMW iX5

doubletwist said:
So they really though? I'm in a rental ICE BMW right now while my AT is in for service and I've not been terribly impressed with the software reliability.

The wireless charger, if I put my phone on it, pops up with a message every 30 seconds telling me not to put any payment cards on it.

And the speed limit warning dings and pops up as soon as I hit 6mph (yes, 6, not 60) even though I have that feature turned off.

It also reads every single speed limit sign as 10 or 15mph slower than the sign actually is.

So I guess from the standpoint of "it's reliably wrong" you could say it's reliable...
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I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.
 
WildRide47 said:
I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.
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Same thing goes with Lucid. Many had exceptional vehicles.

Still, you can’t argue the Lucid EV engineering is much better than BMW.
 
WildRide47 said:
I have a 2022 Lucid AGT. My wife has a 2023 BMW i4M50. My Lucid has been one of the ones that have had relatively few problems. My wife's BMW(coming up on 4 years old) has never been to the dealership because nothing has ever gone wrong and everything works perfectly. It has excellent fit and finish and gets the mileage that is advertised. Both of us are pleased with our choices. I guess it depends on what model you have and how your particular car corresponds to the average of the brand . You may have had problems with your BMW. My wife's BMW has had outstanding reliability. I have heard from others on this board that other BMW i4 owners have had the same results as ours.
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I keep hearing the phrase " XYZ vehicle achieves the claimed milage". Obviously, LUCID has chosen to copy the Tesla model. But if the consumer is just focused on that, it is a pretty easy engineering formula. Pile battery cells into the car and low ball the range. It could not b e more simple engineering. Energy used per mile is understood physics: power train efficiency, rolling resistance, air drag, etc....
 
APSenec said:
I keep hearing the phrase " XYZ vehicle achieves the claimed milage". Obviously, LUCID has chosen to copy the Tesla model. But if the consumer is just focused on that, it is a pretty easy engineering formula. Pile battery cells into the car and low ball the range. It could not b e more simple engineering. Energy used per mile is understood physics: power train efficiency, rolling resistance, air drag, etc....
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My impression is that it is a little more complicated than that. You're right about the physics being understood, but manufacturers do have to report a range that complies with the EPA's procedures for calculating it.
 
TahoeMichael said:
My impression is that it is a little more complicated than that. You're right about the physics being understood, but manufacturers do have to report a range that complies with the EPA's procedures for calculating it.
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This is the actual problem with the EPA protocol for electric vehicles. A manufacturer can post any made up range it wants, as long as it is less than the tested range. Several automakers sandbag the range by 20% or more, so it looks better to consumers.
 
exxxviii said:
This is the actual problem with the EPA protocol for electric vehicles. A manufacturer can post any made up range it wants, as long as it is less than the tested range. Several automakers sandbag the range by 20% or more, so it looks better to consumers.
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Nobody is disappointed if their new EV goes a lot farther than what they thought they bought. Everyone is disappointed when their new EV goes a lot less than what they thought they bought. Which strategy is smarter?

Makers stating less than what buyers will actually get hurt themselves in marketing a lower number but delight their customers with the actual results. That’s the opposite of Tesla, Lucid etc who trumpet a huge number that no one actually gets.
 
Even though the iX5 isn't as good as the Gravity, especially on packaging, that's my next car and I can't wait.

I really like my Gravity when everything is working, but dealing with service (or lack thereof) is becoming unacceptable to me. I'm having window issues (not closing properly) and service can only schedule me 5 weeks away. That's ridiculous, especially at this price level.

I've very rarely needed service on any of my several BMWs, and every time I needed, they took me within days, not several weeks.
 
mfdutra said:
Even though the iX5 isn't as good as the Gravity, especially on packaging, that's my next car and I can't wait.

I really like my Gravity when everything is working, but dealing with service (or lack thereof) is becoming unacceptable to me. I'm having window issues (not closing properly) and service can only schedule me 5 weeks away. That's ridiculous, especially at this price level.

I've very rarely needed service on any of my several BMWs, and every time I needed, they took me within days, not several weeks.
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The real story is in the statistics. But who really knows that.

BMW's don't appear perfect according to google.

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An iX5 versus Gravity comparison is really just an early proxy for an iX7 versus Gravity coming late next year. From a luxury standpoint, the current X7 is crazy nice, so its next generation electric alongside a then 3-year old Gravity will be the center ring matchup. The Gravity will almost certainly be quicker, way better packaged (storage galore), and probably handle better. But the iX7 will probably win the luxury appearance and experience. I am curious if BMW will up the iX7 performance to be closer to the Gravity?
 
exxxviii said:
An iX5 versus Gravity comparison is really just an early proxy for an iX7 versus Gravity coming late next year. From a luxury standpoint, the current X7 is crazy nice, so its next generation electric alongside a then 3-year old Gravity will be the center ring matchup. The Gravity will almost certainly be quicker, way better packaged (storage galore), and probably handle better. But the iX7 will probably win the luxury appearance and experience. I am curious if BMW will up the iX7 performance to be closer to the Gravity?
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It will be much heavier. That goes against performance.
 
I have a BMW iX and a Lucid Air, the air is way more fun to drive, but the BMW handles the little things way better. For example, I can reset the infotainment while driving and it doesn’t remove the critical information. Digital key and the BMW fob are also substantially better compared to what lucid offers. Granted I don’t have UX 3.0 in my air, but the BMW software feels production ready where lucids has felt like a beta test.

Overall I prefer my Air, but my BMW gives me a lot less anxiety about something going wrong and being stuck
 
Saksak said:
Automakers cannot make up numbers. There are two EPA standards and neither of them reflect pure highway. See posts:
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Yes, they absolutely can and do. Your posts only cover half the problem, that the EPA protocol is based on a 38 MPH mostly city driving. This is peak efficiency for a BEV. The other half you may not know is that after the automakers conduct the tests that follow the protocol, the automaker can arbitrarily de-rate their numbers. This is fully allowed by the EPA standards. So the result is that the test is doubly-meaningless for consumers.

Car and Driver did an excellent story on the process, and how this all works.
 
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