Gravity SW update inbound...

[borski]

Genuine question: did they not do this for the Air? (I have an Air Pure, so I wouldn't have seen an ADAS-related update, anyway.) As for the Gravity, year ain't over yet!

They did.

 

[TahoeMichael]

Do they though?

"NEWARK, CA – July 15, 2025 – Lucid Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: LCID), maker of the world’s most advanced electric vehicles, today announced a major update to its DreamDrive® Pro suite of Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) to deliver Hands-Free Drive Assist and Hands-Free Lane Change Assist1 to its award-winning lineup of electric vehicles. These and other vehicle enhancements will be available as an over-the-air (OTA) update for Lucid Air owners, scheduled for July 30, and for Lucid Gravity owners later this year."

Well, the Air update happened, right? But there seems to be little chance of it happening for the Gravity this year.

 

[gaskiller]

Respectfully, this is nonsense.

Lucid engineers, their leadership, and board of directors are WELL aware the software may kill the company. They are most certainly burning the candle at both ends to improve the experience. They are not stupid.

Mmmm....how come they released the Gravity will all those glitches, same with the Air. They had to produce in 2025, so they released it hoping to fix later. I'm sorry, I don't buy the notion that they were not aware of software glitches prior to selling those to the public. At least now, we can hope they will speed up fixing the software. Till now, they were slow fixing issues.

 

[DeaneG]

...At least now, we can hope they will speed up fixing the software. Till now, they were slow fixing issues.

It's hard to imagine what the software group has been doing for the past few months, if not trying to fix glitches. The Air hasn't had an update that added functionality since early August.

 

[HC_79]

Well, the Air update happened, right? But there seems to be little chance of it happening for the Gravity this year.

I was referring to the Gravity portion as it was mentioned in the Press Release when it launched on the Air.

Was referring to a poster who said when Lucid publicly states something, they deliver. Well….. I beg to differ.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

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both those EE and OOS videos lit a fire….otherwise they were dragging their feet thinking all is ok.

This is not true re: dragging their feet. You/we may not like the pace of fixes, but Lucid has been insanely focused on the fixes and well aware of the issues for quite some time - well before the OOS review, etc. Do we want them faster? Yes. Are they not aware and trying? No - they’re very aware.

 

[borski]

Mmmm....how come they released the Gravity will all those glitches, same with the Air. They had to produce in 2025, so they released it hoping to fix later. I'm sorry, I don't buy the notion that they were not aware of software glitches prior to selling those to the public. At least now, we can hope they will speed up fixing the software. Till now, they were slow fixing issues.

Yup. Until you brought it up for the seventy-ninth time, they definitely had no idea and didn’t care.

Thank you for your service.

 

[PGHGravity]

This is not true re: dragging their feet. You/we may not like the pace of fixes, but Lucid has been insanely focused on the fixes and well aware of the issues for quite some time - well before the OOS review, etc. Do we want them faster? Yes. Are they not aware and trying? No - they’re very aware.

We should HOPE that even the smallest bug fix takes them a month or two to ship, because that (should) mean that it has actually been sufficiently QAed and isn’t just going to break more stuff.

 

[9point81]

We should HOPE that even the smallest bug fix takes them a month or two to ship, because that (should) mean that it has actually been sufficiently QAed and isn’t just going to break more stuff.

Yes! I am all for taking a bit of time and thoroughly testing, but yeah, we are all sick of the numerous bugs...

 

[hmp10]

Sorry, folks. I simply don't believe that all the software issues that have been reported on this forum and in almost every review of a production Gravity that got into press hands began only after deliveries started.

For a while I wondered if maybe, as some posters argued, it really was a small minority of cars that saw these problems but the prevalence just seemed so large due to the adverse selection tendency of a forum such as this . . . and that my own 0-for-2 experience with owning two Gravities was just a fluke.

But there have simply been too many problems showing up in press reviews from the likes of Kyle Conner, Tom Moloughney, and others for me to think that any longer.

If anyone with a software background can explain why these problems would have only started occurring once owners and journalists began driving them, then I'm all ears.

 

[KLusinyan]

Sorry, folks. I simply don't believe that all the software issues that have been reported on this forum and in almost every review of a production Gravity that got into press hands began only after deliveries started.

For a while I wondered if maybe, as some posters argued, it really was a small minority of cars that saw these problems but the prevalence just seemed so large due to the adverse selection tendency of a forum such as this . . . and that my own 0-for-2 experience with owning two Gravities was just a fluke.

But there have simply been too many problems showing up in press reviews from the likes of Kyle Conner, Tom Moloughney, and others for me to think that any longer.

If anyone with a software background can explain why these problems would have only started occurring once owners and journalists began driving them, then I'm all ears.

No way they didn’t know about the glitches, inevitably had to ship cars out with these issues. My concern is that they’ve know for a while now and haven’t been able to fix them, signaling they don’t have the talent to do so. The software team, I assume, has been working day and night to solve the problem, but it seems to me that they currently cannot.

 

[DreamTour]

Sorry, folks. I simply don't believe that all the software issues that have been reported on this forum and in almost every review of a production Gravity that got into press hands began only after deliveries started.

For a while I wondered if maybe, as some posters argued, it really was a small minority of cars that saw these problems but the prevalence just seemed so large due to the adverse selection tendency of a forum such as this . . . and that my own 0-for-2 experience with owning two Gravities was just a fluke.

But there have simply been too many problems showing up in press reviews from the likes of Kyle Conner, Tom Moloughney, and others for me to think that any longer.

If anyone with a software background can explain why these problems would have only started occurring once owners and journalists began driving them, then I'm all ears.

Demo-ware is a lot easier to make look good thank "real life everyday software" I'm going to say all the bugs were there before, just the failure cases were conveniently "managed".

 

[DreamTour]

No way they didn’t know about the glitches, inevitably had to ship cars out with these issues. My concern is that they’ve know for a while now and haven’t been able to fix them, signaling they don’t have the talent to do so. The software team, I assume, has been working day and night to solve the problem, but it seems to me that they currently cannot.

Could also have been a result of a turf war / politics getting in the way, hence the management changes.

In retrospect i kind of tripped on this when I was at the Lucid open house in 2024 asking questions to the executive team about their team dynamics. Let's just say i might have incidentally hit a nerve related to all the parties in question. I didn't put much weight on it at the time but in retrospect what happened made a lot of sense.

 

[RL8]

No way they didn’t know about the glitches, inevitably had to ship cars out with these issues. My concern is that they’ve know for a while now and haven’t been able to fix them, signaling they don’t have the talent to do so. The software team, I assume, has been working day and night to solve the problem, but it seems to me that they currently cannot.

I’ve worked for several startups. Never a good sign when top executives start leaving a company. It’s likely they knew about the glitches but were hopeful they could begin selling and quickly fix on the fly. Obviously all speculation by me. With that said, if they fix the glitches, all will be forgotten. Consumers who were on the sidelines (me) will start buying. Current owners will be happy. Service centers will be less taxed. Executive management still in disarray but much easier to solve without this outside noise. While hope is not a strategy, here’s to hoping anyway.

 

[KLusinyan]

Could also have been a result of a turf war / politics getting in the way, hence the management changes.

In retrospect i kind of tripped on this when I was at the Lucid open house in 2024 asking questions to the executive team about their team dynamics. Let's just say i might have incidentally hit a nerve related to all the parties in question. I didn't put much weight on it at the time but in retrospect what happened made a lot of sense.

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[KLusinyan]

I’ve worked for several startups. Never a good sign when top executives start leaving a company. It’s likely they knew about the glitches but were hopeful they could begin selling and quickly fix on the fly. Obviously all speculation by me. With that said, if they fix the glitches, all will be forgotten. Consumers who were on the sidelines (me) will start buying. Current owners will be happy. Service centers will be less taxed. Executive management still in disarray but much easier to solve without this outside noise. While hope is not a strategy, here’s to hoping anyway.

We’re all hoping as owners at this point. I was prepared for glitches coming into this and haven’t had any major issues tbh, but the anxiety about issues grows everyday and honestly checking this forum doesn’t help. Everyone’s issues becomes a waiting game on when you’ll get the same issue.

 

[gaskiller]

Yup. Until you brought it up for the seventy-ninth time, they definitely had no idea and didn’t care.

Thank you for your service.

Releasing cars that don’t have working keys means not caring….or at least, they didn’t know how to fix it but released the cars anyway. They were under pressure to start production. They thought these software gremlins are acceptable for those who bought cars this year to satisfy investors who wanted to see cars on the road. They were overoptimistic that they would have a very quick fix. They didn’t realize YouTubers would trash the software this much.

Hopefully, they now realized this is unacceptable and will destroy their brand if they don’t fix these very quickly.

 

[RL8]

I wonder if they’ll have a 2027 model midyear 2026 with hardware fixes or just keep hardware as is until 2027 given the production delays.

 

[RL8]

Btw, love how Kyle does not want to give up on the Gravity. At the end of the review, Scot gestures reviewing it again in 2027 and Kyle is like no, let’s do another video in 2026 after Lucid has released a few more OTAs. Thought that was cool and telling.

 

[XTesla]

No way they didn’t know about the glitches, inevitably had to ship cars out with these issues. My concern is that they’ve know for a while now and haven’t been able to fix them, signaling they don’t have the talent to do so. The software team, I assume, has been working day and night to solve the problem, but it seems to me that they currently cannot.

This is the big question.. why is it taking so long?

Back almost 6 months ago when we ordered our Gravity, the salesman was well aware of the software issues (experiencing them with every test drive etc) and was also well aware this was potential buyers' biggest concern. This was their top priority even 6 months ago (fixing bugs) right ahead of PaaK and other features not yet complete.

I suspect the bugs that haven't been fixed fall into a few categories:

• Battles with a 3rd party company. The key fob issues may be an example of this... where the bug is either with a 3rd party, or the integration between Lucid and a couple of 3rd party companies. I've heard from someone at Lucid they are in the process of changing 3rd party suppliers for some key hardware... and that does take time.
• Difficult to nail down issues. Some of the stuff just happens randomly and very occasionally. I'm just seeing so many issues that randomly occur once a week. They might not have had the appropriate logging to catch what is going on, so it needs several iterations of adding logging and releasing to find the issue.
• Design issues. I'm seeing evidence that some things are higher level than just code mistakes. This typically causes software engineers to want to do a rewrite. This can then causes a year or two of no progress while the engineers relearn everything the previous engineers learned. Rewriting the whole codebase is not the way to fig bug situations such as this. They might not have had the right person to say no to a rewrite. Then they lose most of their engineers to that.