Gravity Orders Discussion

[Blue Lectroid]

If the press cars are not fully functional, I don't see that going over well in a press review.

Press cars are more important than regular customer cars to me. Regular customers don't have online audiences.

They have not delivered those yet...they were slotted AFTER the ones going to special customers...there may still be more of those cars to come BEFORE the press cars, right?

 

[msaunders9430]

They have not delivered those yet...they were slotted AFTER the ones going to special customers...there may still be more of those cars to come BEFORE the press cars, right

They have not delivered those yet...they were slotted AFTER the ones going to special customers...there may still be more of those cars to come BEFORE the press cars, right?

Correct.
My point is they need to be fully functional.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Correct.
My point is they need to be fully functional.

I COMPLETELY agree!!!

 

[joec]

Correct.
My point is they need to be fully functional.

Production ready means hardware. Software is always in flux for companies like Lucid.

This is not an Oldsmobile. The car’s software will be vastly different two years from now compared to when it ships. Ask any Air Dream Edition owner.

What’s important is that the HUD hardware is present in the vehicle.

 

[msaunders9430]

Production ready means hardware. Software is always in flux for companies like Lucid.

This is not an Oldsmobile. The car’s software will be vastly different two years from now compared to when it ships. Ask any Air Dream Edition owner.

What’s important is that the HUD hardware is present in the vehicle.

Production ready means hardware and software are working. Doesn't mean everything is working absolutely perfect without the need for tweaks through OTA updates, service center visits, etc.

I've said before I see the software as in perpetual beta. Especially with a highly software-driven ev like the Gravity. Completely acceptable. What I believe is unacceptable and not good for Lucid, as a company, is releasing non-functioning/missing features that customers have paid for, such HUD. Advertising a feature as "future capable", which is the case with some of the Dream Drive Pro hardware is fine, but charging customers for features and not giving ANY indication that the features will not be working for awhile is just asking for a negative press review.

If the presence of HUD hardware alone is sufficient, then being seen as a minivan is easily NOT Gravities biggest potential challenge to success.
I've been on this forum long enough and have researched more than enough to know about the "software hell" that Dream Edition owners experienced.
That's not what I'm talking about.

Lucid should not take the Volvo EX90 route. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61454136/2025-volvo-ex90-missing-features/
However, if they do, ok, but don't expect customers to believe "production ready means the hardware is there, but not working".
The headlights are on the car, but they don't work yet. Nope.

Lucid didn't do this with Air and I don't believe they will do it with Gravity.
If I believed that, I wouldn't be on this forum.

 

[DrLucid]

Production ready means hardware and software are working. Doesn't mean everything is working absolutely perfect without the need for tweaks through OTA updates, service center visits, etc.

I've said before I see the software as in perpetual beta. Especially with a highly software-driven ev like the Gravity. Completely acceptable. What I believe is unacceptable and not good for Lucid, as a company, is releasing non-functioning/missing features that customers have paid for, such HUD. Advertising a feature as "future capable", which is the case with some of the Dream Drive Pro hardware is fine, but charging customers for features and not giving ANY indication that the features will not be working for awhile is just asking for a negative press review.

If the presence of HUD hardware alone is sufficient, then being seen as a minivan is easily NOT Gravities biggest potential challenge to success.
I've been on this forum long enough and have researched more than enough to know about the "software hell" that Dream Edition owners experienced.
That's not what I'm talking about.

Lucid should not take the Volvo EX90 route. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61454136/2025-volvo-ex90-missing-features/
However, if they do, ok, but don't expect customers to believe "production ready means the hardware is there, but not working".
The headlights are on the car, but they don't work yet. Nope.

Lucid didn't do this with Air and I don't believe they will do it with Gravity.
If I believed that, I wouldn't be on this forum.

You do have a valid point just as others do?
Yes people who bought the dream edition did go through a lot. So are we going to just dwell on the past to represent the present and the future.
I was not able to order to the dream edition because I didn’t have the money but I liked the car and bought one for myself when I could. Should I keep dwelling into the my past and not buy things because of my past suffering.
We are supposed to move on by learning from previous mistakes. And lucid is doing it.
If there’s disappointment it’s not about the trust in the company but it’s about the lack of communication and only the ‘privileged’ getting deliveries. A Beta is a beta. It’s a product in production with tweaks to get to the phase 4 from phase 3. So don’t called the 3, a 4.

 

[msaunders9430]

You do have a valid point just as others do?
Yes people who bought the dream edition did go through a lot. So are we going to just dwell on the past to represent the present and the future.
I was not able to order to the dream edition because I didn’t have the money but I liked the car and bought one for myself when I could. Should I keep dwelling into the my past and not buy things because of my past suffering.
We are supposed to move on by learning from previous mistakes. And lucid is doing it.
If there’s disappointment it’s not about the trust in the company but it’s about the lack of communication and only the ‘privileged’ getting deliveries. A Beta is a beta. It’s a product in production with tweaks to get to the phase 4 from phase 3. So don’t called the 3, a 4.

I'm not sure if you're responding directly to me or others. Since my post is quoted, I'll say, I'm definitely not dwelling on the past.

A reference to the past (Dream Edition owners experience) was made by another member, not me. So, perhaps that member will choose to respond.

 

[Gravitas]

Sure, I get that, but don’t call them production units. Or real cars are getting delivered in 6 months where basic features will actually get turned on?

And by basic I mean their most expensive premium features.

Lack of HUD functionality makes me want to take my order down by 6k if I can’t expect the basics to work.

And then in 1 year, you'll want to retrofit your Gravity with an aftermarket HUD!!!
Get all the hardware available in the beginning.

The Gravity Software is guaranteed to get better after purchase. These incremental improvements are what make these software defined vehicles more exciting to drive many many many years from now.

In 4 years, my 2021 X5's software has hardly changed. Most updates are bug fixes, and almost never new features. I keep it a little exciting with minor (but cumbersome) BimmerCode tweaks.

 

[joec]

Production ready means hardware and software are working. Doesn't mean everything is working absolutely perfect without the need for tweaks through OTA updates, service center visits, etc.

I've said before I see the software as in perpetual beta. Especially with a highly software-driven ev like the Gravity. Completely acceptable. What I believe is unacceptable and not good for Lucid, as a company, is releasing non-functioning/missing features that customers have paid for, such HUD. Advertising a feature as "future capable", which is the case with some of the Dream Drive Pro hardware is fine, but charging customers for features and not giving ANY indication that the features will not be working for awhile is just asking for a negative press review.

If the presence of HUD hardware alone is sufficient, then being seen as a minivan is easily NOT Gravities biggest potential challenge to success.
I've been on this forum long enough and have researched more than enough to know about the "software hell" that Dream Edition owners experienced.
That's not what I'm talking about.

Lucid should not take the Volvo EX90 route. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61454136/2025-volvo-ex90-missing-features/
However, if they do, ok, but don't expect customers to believe "production ready means the hardware is there, but not working".
The headlights are on the car, but they don't work yet. Nope.

Lucid didn't do this with Air and I don't believe they will do it with Gravity.
If I believed that, I wouldn't be on this forum.

You're being a bit hyperbolic, no?

A HUD is not headlights. It is not necessary for the functional operation of a vehicle, as demonstrated by the millions of cars out there that don't have a HUD at all.

And yes, Lucid ABSOLUTELY did this with Air. HA didn't exist in 1.0. Lots of features simply didn't work, or worked terribly. Believe me, Gravity's launch will be a breath of fresh air compared to Air's launch.

My guess is the HUD software will be ready by the time deliveries start ramping up. But I wouldn't hold back all deliveries over something this minor. You'd risk thousands of canceled orders.

I tell you what, why don't you contact Lucid and tell them you don't want your Gravity until the HUD is operational? Then the rest of the folks who are happy to go without can enjoy their cars while you wait patiently. Win win.

 

[037]

You're being a bit hyperbolic, no?

A HUD is not headlights. It is not necessary for the functional operation of a vehicle, as demonstrated by the millions of cars out there that don't have a HUD at all.

And yes, Lucid ABSOLUTELY did this with Air. HA didn't exist in 1.0. Lots of features simply didn't work, or worked terribly. Believe me, Gravity's launch will be a breath of fresh air compared to Air's launch.

My guess is the HUD software will be ready by the time deliveries start ramping up. But I wouldn't hold back all deliveries over something this minor. You'd risk thousands of canceled orders.

I tell you what, why don't you contact Lucid and tell them you don't want your Gravity until the HUD is operational? Then the rest of the folks who are happy to go without can enjoy their cars while you wait patiently. Win win.

That’s not a fair statement by any means. It’s a $3200 line item. You expect it to work day one. I don’t expect it to be flawless but I expect it to turn on, give me information and be mostly trouble free.

If not, charge me later when it does work.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Can I respectfully ask why we keep dwelling on something that has NOT happened? Your car (or anyone in the “normal customer” category, for that matter), has not been delivered without a functioning HUD. If / when this actually is an issue, we can all spend our energy on it then, right?

My personal belief is that Lucid probably will deliver your car with this functionality and, you always have the right to refuse delivery and not buy the car if they do otherwise, right?

 

[hmp10]

Production ready means hardware and software are working. Doesn't mean everything is working absolutely perfect without the need for tweaks through OTA updates, service center visits, etc.

Then that means that Tesla, the company always pointed to as the gold standard in automotive software, delivers non-production-ready cars. Our 2021 Model S Plaid was delivered in September 2021, several months after it hit the market, with hardware for several advertised features that were not yet functional, such as active noise cancellation, surround camera views, etc.

And the Cybertruck was delivered without:

- auto wipers
- basic Autopilot
- Full Self Driving
- parking assist . . . plus some missing hardware, such as wheel covers.

Two things I learned with our Air Dream Edition: software is devilishly difficult to nail down perfectly, and Lucid works diligently to correct, update, and add features. Meanwhile, you're driving the best balance of power, handling, and ride on the planet.

As long as I know that core safety features are working and that something else that was promised is on the way, such as HUD, I'm perfectly fine with taking delivery beforehand and waiting for the OTA gods to work their magic.

 

[msaunders9430]

You're being a bit hyperbolic, no?

A HUD is not headlights. It is not necessary for the functional operation of a vehicle, as demonstrated by the millions of cars out there that don't have a HUD at all.

And yes, Lucid ABSOLUTELY did this with Air. HA didn't exist in 1.0. Lots of features simply didn't work, or worked terribly. Believe me, Gravity's launch will be a breath of fresh air compared to Air's launch.

My guess is the HUD software will be ready by the time deliveries start ramping up. But I wouldn't hold back all deliveries over something this minor. You'd risk thousands of canceled orders.

I tell you what, why don't you contact Lucid and tell them you don't want your Gravity until the HUD is operational? Then the rest of the folks who are happy to go without can enjoy their cars while you wait patiently. Win win.

Hyperbolic? Yes, that was intentional to make a point.
As I said, I don't expect the hardware to work perfectly. I don't at least desire it at least work (full functionality).
The fact that the hardware is not necessary for functional operation doesn't matter to me. If it has been advertised as being part of the ev, I expect or desire it to at least work, with or without flaws.

HA didn't exist in 1.0 of DD Pro (DDP) on the Air.
HA is not a hardware item. Based on my understanding, it is a software-enabled feature of DDP.
The other features of DDP were working or working terribly (using your phrasing) in 1.0.

Now, let me be clear here: I never said I did not want Gravity until HUD or any other hardware/software item is functional.
Another member did indicate possibly revising their order if the HUD hardware was not functional.
I'm waiting for the Touring version, so I'm definitely in no rush and I agree with your guess that "the HUD software will be ready by the time deliveries start ramping up". Also agree about not holding back on deliveries. I'm in the boat with the rest of you who are happy to go without and enjoy my Gravity. Are you kidding me!? I'm getting in line for a Touring asap and don't plan on getting out of that line. Good try.

If HUD functionality or any other hardware/software item is not functional, what I would like for Lucid to do is at least provide a statement indicating that status.
So, I'll clarify my belief about "production ready" status. "Production ready means hardware and software are working. Information regarding limited functioning of hardware/software is provided".

All I'm saying, as I said with my first comment about HUD functionality, is that the lack of that functionality may not go over well with those providing press reviews.
I'll clarify that statement to add "unless information regarding limited functioning of hardware/software is provided".

I'm a Gravity fan. I'm a Lucid fan/investor.
I want all of this to work!
We've all expressed our concerns about various aspects of how Lucid is rolling out the Gravity.
We all want the best product possible, while knowing that perpetual beta is the nature of the ev beast.

 

[sri]

Hyperbolic? Yes, that was intentional to make a point.
As I said, I don't expect the hardware to work perfectly. I don't at least desire it at least work (full functionality).
The fact that the hardware is not necessary for functional operation doesn't matter to me. If it has been advertised as being part of the ev, I expect or desire it to at least work, with or without flaws.

HA didn't exist in 1.0 of DD Pro (DDP) on the Air.
HA is not a hardware item. Based on my understanding, it is a software-enabled feature of DDP.
The other features of DDP were working or working terribly (using your phrasing) in 1.0.

Now, let me be clear here: I never said I did not want Gravity until HUD or any other hardware/software item is functional.
Another member did indicate possibly revising their order if the HUD hardware was not functional.
I'm waiting for the Touring version, so I'm definitely in no rush and I agree with your guess that "the HUD software will be ready by the time deliveries start ramping up". Also agree about not holding back on deliveries. I'm in the boat with the rest of you who are happy to go without and enjoy my Gravity. Are you kidding me!? I'm getting in line for a Touring asap and don't plan on getting out of that line. Good try.

If HUD functionality or any other hardware/software item is not functional, what I would like for Lucid to do is at least provide a statement indicating that status.
So, I'll clarify my belief about "production ready" status. "Production ready means hardware and software are working. Information regarding limited functioning of hardware/software is provided".

All I'm saying, as I said with my first comment about HUD functionality, is that the lack of that functionality may not go over well with those providing press reviews.
I'll clarify that statement to add "unless information regarding limited functioning of hardware/software is provided".

I'm a Gravity fan. I'm a Lucid fan/investor.
I want all of this to work!
We've all expressed our concerns about various aspects of how Lucid is rolling out the Gravity.
We all want the best product possible, while knowing that perpetual beta is the nature of the ev beast.

I agree with you. At least Lucid can display speed or directions in the HUD and work on the AR behind rather then go dark on the HUD.

 

[msaunders9430]

Can I respectfully ask why we keep dwelling on something that has NOT happened? Your car (or anyone in the “normal customer” category, for that matter), has not been delivered without a functioning HUD. If / when this actually is an issue, we can all spend our energy on it then, right?

My personal belief is that Lucid probably will deliver your car with this functionality and, you always have the right to refuse delivery and not buy the car if they do otherwise, right?

Well that's no fun!

We dwell on all kinds of stuff here.
Haven't you noticed, forum traffic is ... .

Refuse delivery?
Not buy the car?
And buy what?

 

[msaunders9430]

Then that means that Tesla, the company always pointed to as the gold standard in automotive software, delivers non-production-ready cars. Our 2021 Model S Plaid was delivered in September 2021, several months after it hit the market, with hardware for several advertised features that were not yet functional, such as active noise cancellation, surround camera views, etc.

And the Cybertruck was delivered without:

- auto wipers
- basic Autopilot
- Full Self Driving
- parking assist . . . plus some missing hardware, such as wheel covers.

Two things I learned with our Air Dream Edition: software is devilishly difficult to nail down perfectly, and Lucid works diligently to correct, update, and add features. Meanwhile, you're driving the best balance of power, handling, and ride on the planet.

As long as I know that core safety features are working and that something else that was promised is on the way, such as HUD, I'm perfectly fine with taking delivery beforehand and waiting for the OTA gods to work their magic.

Tesla!?
Are we going to stoop to that level of operation?
We're Lucid!!!

Did Tesla let you know about those non-functional items before you finalized your purchase?
I said in a previous post that hopefully Lucid won't do what Volvo did with the EX90 release.
However, at least buyers knew.

 

[Batteryman]

Then that means that Tesla, the company always pointed to as the gold standard in automotive software, delivers non-production-ready cars. Our 2021 Model S Plaid was delivered in September 2021, several months after it hit the market, with hardware for several advertised features that were not yet functional, such as active noise cancellation, surround camera views, etc.

And the Cybertruck was delivered without:

- auto wipers
- basic Autopilot
- Full Self Driving
- parking assist . . . plus some missing hardware, such as wheel covers.

Two things I learned with our Air Dream Edition: software is devilishly difficult to nail down perfectly, and Lucid works diligently to correct, update, and add features. Meanwhile, you're driving the best balance of power, handling, and ride on the planet.

As long as I know that core safety features are working and that something else that was promised is on the way, such as HUD, I'm perfectly fine with taking delivery beforehand and waiting for the OTA gods to work their magic.

You have to get the hardware right, you can always fix the software....Lucid Gravity will have the right hardware.

 

[Keith]

This is a pretty good review .. apologies if this is a repeat. The Link above is at when David is talking about the UI and HUD. Enjoy

 

[hmp10]

Tesla!?
Are we going to stoop to that level of operation?
We're Lucid!!!

I brought Tesla up because, like it or not, they rake in the accolades from all quarters for their software while Lucid has been crucified for theirs.

Yet, after over nine years of driving Teslas and three years of driving Lucids, I would take the Lucid approach to the total control suite (software and manual controls) over the Tesla approach any day of the week. And, believe me, Tesla's software is not as reliable as many assume.

The point is that Tesla -- which now calls itself a software company (when it's not a robotics company or whatever it's going to be next week) -- has been selling cars since 2008 and still can't get a new model out the door with all planned software features functioning.

And premium German carmakers are still pumping out cars that don't even have at-home OTA update capability, while century-old VW is stuck in a morass of software woes. And don't forget the Audi eTron that hit the market giving drivers software alerts that the car was due for an oil change.

In the space of just over three years years, Lucid has brought two car lines to market that shot straight to the top of the pack in EV technology and space packaging as well as taking a place in the top tier of driving dynamics. If they need a little time to nail down every corner of their software tent, then they deserve to be cut at least as much slack as every other automaker has been cut.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

I brought Tesla up because, like it or not, they rake in the accolades from all quarters for their software while Lucid has been crucified for theirs.

Yet, after over nine years of driving Teslas and three years of driving Lucids, I would take the Lucid approach to the total control suite (software and manual controls) over the Tesla approach any day of the week. And, believe me, Tesla's software is not as reliable as many assume.

I completely agree with this!!! I always thought that the software in my Tesla M3P was garbage. The interface is a total non-intuitive kludge, I needed to reboot it weekly to correct one crash or another and functions that worked one day would not the next. I have found my 2025 AGT to be far better from a UX standpoint in year 3 of the model’s life than my Tesla’s was after six years!