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hank-iv said:
I think that fact that there is a thread (under the "Ordering, Leasing, Production and Delivery" section, for some reason) where people can say "No issues for me"

And the positive features of a long range, high capacity and fairly powerful vehicle are pretty alluring.

I should be getting mine this month. Am I nervous? Yeah. Do I loose sleep? Nah. I got a Model 3 in 2018, and it certainly had some bugs. The auto pilot would slam on the brakes for no discernible reason while going 80 on an interstate. Lucky I wasn't rear ended. PaaK was very glitchy. I survived.

I understand, per RLead8's (very helpful) posts that Lucid might take longer to improve than Tesla did. On the other hand, perhaps Cursor/vibe coding, might increase the capacity of a smaller team to dot i's and cross t's.

Probably if you went to the "Bugs" thread on any company's car, you would just decide to walk. Literally.

Am I nervous? Yeah....
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I hear you and this vehicle is still #1 on my list. Luckily I own two functioning cars so have time to wait it out to see if it improves. I love the car. Checks so many boxes. There isn’t anything else like it. Even the new Cayenne, while beautiful, isn’t as big and not as fast (unless twin turbo), and probably not as efficient (don’t think #s have been released yet). It also makes the Gravity seem like a bargain. Fingers crossed for all our sakes.
 
RLead8 said:
Neither the Lucid Air nor the Gravity run on Android Automotive.
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This is not true, you put way too much trust into ChatGBT. Both are running Android Automotive.
 
Adnillien said:
This is not true, you put way too much trust into ChatGBT. Both are running Android Automotive.
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I cant find anything to the contrary. Not just ChatGBT, although ChatGBT is like having a PHD-level person in your pocket.

Can you provide support? Again, Lucid supports android automative but it doesnt mean Lucid built their platform off google. Either way, it was only one of many reasons why Lucid has not simply fixed these issues by now.
 
So after more research, I see that they did use google as the base but their customization for everything built on top of is among the heaviest.

Again, that wasn't the main point of my post. I wanted to share why some of these issues may not be as random as it seems, as that’s a big source of frustration among owners along with why Lucid can’t just simply fix the problems. I made it known that I used ChatGBT so folks can judge the source for themselves, so plz don’t bash me for “relying on ChatGBT”.
 
Here is a Grok summarization for the Lucid Software for Gravity based on the Savage Geese video:

Software Architecture for Lucid Gravity (from Savage Geese Interview at ~14:47–20:00)​

In the Savage Geese video "Lucid Gravity Review | Make it or Break It" (timestamp ~14:47 onward), the discussion with Lucid's software team (including Head of Software Marc Winterhoff) dives into the evolution of the infotainment and backend systems from the Lucid Air to the Gravity. The focus is on addressing early software challenges in the Air (e.g., separate ECUs leading to integration issues) and how the Gravity's architecture was redesigned for better performance, safety, and scalability. Here's the key extracted information:

Core Architecture Overview​

  • Hybrid OS Setup: The Gravity uses QNX as the base operating system for all safety-critical and real-time functions. This includes running most cluster functions (e.g., instrument displays, speedometer, and other mission-critical UI elements) and backend real-time operations. QNX provides the reliable, low-latency foundation needed for these tasks, aligning with its common use in automotive safety systems (ISO 26262 certified).
  • Android Integration via Hypervisor: On top of the QNX base, Lucid runs Android (Android Automotive OS) as a guest OS through a hypervisor. This allows the consumer-facing infotainment (Lucid UX 3.0) to leverage Android's app ecosystem, media playback, and UI flexibility while isolating it from the safety layer. The hypervisor enables virtualization, ensuring the Android layer doesn't interfere with QNX's real-time priorities.

    Direct Quote (from Marc Winterhoff at ~19:32):"So in Gravity as you know we uh have a QNX uh base OS for safety OS that runs most of our cluster functions and real-time things and then we run Android and hypervisor on that."

Hardware Changes Enabling This Architecture​

  • Single SoC Design: Unlike the Air, which used two separate ECUs (one for the cluster, one for infotainment), the Gravity consolidates everything into a single, more powerful System-on-Chip (SoC) based on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8295. This unifies control of the 34-inch curved OLED display, Pilot Panel (passenger screen), and AR HUD, reducing latency and simplifying software integration.

    Direct Quote (at ~15:10–16:17):"[W]e needed to almost start over because we were thinking so differently about what that architecture was going to be... They [Air] used two different ECUs to control this the display. One for the cluster, one for infotainment... And we chose a much more powerful uh SOC which is based on the Qualcomm 8295. Um and it's a single SOC a single ECU for all of infotainment and the cluster."

Key Benefits and Challenges Discussed​

  • Improvements Over Air: The redesign fixes early Air issues like software glitches from ECU silos, enabling faster OTA updates, better multi-screen sync (e.g., bookmark navigation, towing UI), and future-proofing for autonomy. It supports the Gravity's "software-defined vehicle" ethos with seamless blending of safety (QNX) and user experience (Android/UX).
  • Development Evolution: The team notes starting "almost from scratch" on hardware-software co-design for the Gravity, emphasizing simulation-first approaches to test the hypervisor stack early. This was crucial given the Air's initial launch bugs, which were iteratively fixed via OTAs.
This setup mirrors industry trends (e.g., Volvo/Polestar's QNX + AAOS hybrid) but is tailored for Lucid's high-end UX, with QNX handling the "under the hood" reliability and Android powering the polished, app-rich interface. If you need more from other parts of the video or related sources, let me know!

 
RLead8 said:
Neither the Lucid Air nor the Gravity run on Android Automotive. Lucid does not run on Android Automotive
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You are incorrect.

Please stop posting AI slop. It is wrong. It makes things up and hallucinates regularly. Do not take it as fact.

And, in general, please post your own thoughts, not that of AI.
 
RLead8 said:
although ChatGBT is like having a PHD-level person in your pocket.
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No, it really, really, really isn’t.

It’s like having a very average human who can do things very fast make all the same mistakes an average human with a very deep but narrow set of experiences can do, in your pocket.
 
borski said:
No, it really, really, really isn’t.

It’s like having a very average human who can do things very fast make all the same mistakes an average human with a very deep but narrow set of experiences can do, in your pocket.
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That is your opinion.

I posted AI along with my thoughts to spark discussion. Don’t think I did anything wrong but sorry if that offended you in some way. Like many others, trying to figure out why the car is having these issues and the probability of them fixing it.
 
borski said:
No, it really, really, really isn’t.

It’s like having a very average human who can do things very fast make all the same mistakes an average human with a very deep but narrow set of experiences can do, in your pocket.
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We'll need a Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 to overcome this.
 
hank-iv said:
We'll need a Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 to overcome this.
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Lol. Let’s move on from these posts. Sorry if i confused anyone or posted incorrect info. Wasn’t my intent.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
The DDPro button on the dpad can take many, many presses before it engages. Sometimes it works on one press sometimes on the 8th press. It seems to be a fairly common issue on the forum, but we are also in the bugs thread so things get amplified.

Cold air at first seems to be the norm. Have to crank mine to 80+ and in about 30-60 seconds it gets hot.
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quite literally tried 10 clicks out of frustration and nada

the cold air comes after it was warm for some time
 
This morning the buttons for the heated wheel and the on off for climate were missing
 
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So many inconsistencies. Frustrating.

Today my rear driver side door was frozen shut. It rained yesterday and it was cold overnight - nothing insane - it was 30 when I was leaving for work but may have gotten down to 26 or so in my area per google. I don't think that should have caused the door to freeze.

I couldn't open it - I heard the electronic latch trying to do something but the door itself wouldn't budge even a mm. So I threw my stuff in the back over the center console (annoying) and started driving, but then I was getting an open door ding and an alert on the dash. So I had to stop, get out, and really yank the hell out of the door to finally get it open and re-closed.

It didn't help that the climate control that I had turned on through the app earlier that morning hadn't actually turned anything on.

I hope my winter is not full of these kinds of issues.....
 
WeighingGravity said:
So many inconsistencies. Frustrating.

Today my rear driver side door was frozen shut. It rained yesterday and it was cold overnight - nothing insane - it was 30 when I was leaving for work but may have gotten down to 26 or so in my area per google. I don't think that should have caused the door to freeze.

I couldn't open it - I heard the electronic latch trying to do something but the door itself wouldn't budge even a mm. So I threw my stuff in the back over the center console (annoying) and started driving, but then I was getting an open door ding and an alert on the dash. So I had to stop, get out, and really yank the hell out of the door to finally get it open and re-closed.

It didn't help that the climate control that I had turned on through the app earlier that morning hadn't actually turned anything on.

I hope my winter is not full of these kinds of issues.....
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I think this is odd as we know they test the car in super low temps - there’s a video of them doing it. And this was a know issue for Model S and 3 handles, so I would think they’d see the market and learn from it. The handles have to be heated in some way (I guess).

I think the frameless window adds to the issue as one can’t just yank the door - the window must move down first. It’s cool, but given the issues I’ve had, I’d prefer a normal window.
 
New issue with my gravity. The front passenger side door handle is constantly opening and closing even when I am driving. I called customer care and they were able to stop it temporarily, but as soon as I started driving again it happened again. Has anyone seen this issue before?
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Yes. This has been happening to me recently. And there’s no other way to heat the wheel. The buttons come back, but only after leaving the car for several minutes…it’s a weird one as it didn’t happen right when we got 3.3.9 but sometime after.
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actually I used the app at a stop light and it worked, it popped back up later without a reboot
 
GTdreamer said:
New issue with my gravity. The front passenger side door handle is constantly opening and closing even when I am driving. I called customer care and they were able to stop it temporarily, but as soon as I started driving again it happened again. Has anyone seen this issue before?
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@GTdreamer - Your description appears to match what @Ironhorse christened as "Flappy Bird Issue" which was mentioned on Saturday - Link - https://lucidowners.com/threads/flappy-bird-issue-and-loud-climate-controls.14222/
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
I think this is odd as we know they test the car in super low temps - there’s a video of them doing it. And this was a know issue for Model S and 3 handles, so I would think they’d see the market and learn from it. The handles have to be heated in some way (I guess).

I think the frameless window adds to the issue as one can’t just yank the door - the window must move down first. It’s cool, but given the issues I’ve had, I’d prefer a normal window.
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To be clear, the handle presented - just the door itself was frozen shut. I was a little loathe to yank too hard on the handle because I know it's a) electronic and b) plastic but eventually I had to to be able to get the alarm to clear. I don't think it was just a cold issue - I'm assuming the rain from the prior evening had something to do with it. If there was some water intrusion around the door in a place that froze some part of the door to some part of the body, that may have been the issue. I was late, so I didn't have time to inspect and see if there was an obvious place where that was happening, but I did note some frost/ice in places on the body trim as I hastily re-closed the door and hopped back in to drive away.

BTW, "flappy bird," lol.
 
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