Finally sold my pure…✌🏻

[borski]

Agreed, EV's are so much easier. I don't think I could go back.

I love good ICE vehicles, even if they’re more complicated. I’d still own one, if it were the right one; they’re just different, not inherently worse. I’m looking at you, Lotus

 

[californiaboy935]

I love good ICE vehicles. I’d still own one, if it were the right one. I’m looking at you, Lotus

OOOO... yeah, my cousin's Lotus was a beast in London. Fine, I concede, some ICE is okay...

 

[L-Dude]

I think you guys are in the EV distortion field. I can hop in my Hybrid, travel pretty much anywhere I want without giving it a thought. I can't come close to doing that in my EV. Maybe you live in places where there are DCFCs on every corner, where all stalls are operational, and there are never lines. With an ICE, you get in and go, without a thought about the process.

I think this has become so familiar to EV drivers that it now seems like second nature, but to the ICE world, it is completely foreign and somewhat intimidating.

(Clarification: I'm talking about travel planning)

 

[SaaSManKS]

Literally couldn’t disagree more. I have not stepped foot in a gas station in years. I’ve not had to deal with oil changes, timing belts, transmission failures, or any of the other 12,500 moving parts in an ICE engine that need maintenance, lubrication, or replacing.

I wake up every morning without a worry as to how much gas I have.

That is most people with an EV, as far as I can tell. It is less complicated, by far.

The only complication is charging on road trips, and even then, it’s not complicated. Charge at your hotel or the nearest charger. You don’t even have to plan it, and can just have the route planner do it for you.

EA has been much, much more reliable as of late, and EVGo, Chargepoint, Ionna, and all the other networks also work well.

Not to mention that Superchargers are opening up access imminently, and already have to some.

I fail to see how an EV is more complicated. Different, sure. But not more complicated to own, imho.

I go back to the regional comment I made, I’m sure the infrastructure in California is much more reliable than western NY has been.

 

[borski]

I go back to the regional comment I made, I’m sure the infrastructure in California is much more reliable than western NY has been.

True.

 

[borski]

I think you guys are in the EV distortion field. I can hop in my Hybrid, travel pretty much anywhere I want without giving it a thought. I can't come close to doing that in my EV. Maybe you live in places where there are DCFCs on every corner, where all stalls are operational, and there are never lines. With an ICE, you get in and go, without a thought about the process.

I think this has become so familiar to EV drivers that it now seems like second nature, but to the ICE world, it is completely foreign and somewhat intimidating.

(Clarification: I'm talking about travel planning)

You’re kind of missing the point; it’s not about whether there is a DCFC on every corner. Stalls, nowadays, *are* operational, by and large. Moreover, there are far more DCFCs in general. In addition, Tesla SCs are now open and/or opening up.

You can literally get in a Lucid, set a destination, let it pick a charger or charger(s) along the way, and get going. I don’t have to travel plan, and if one charger is broken, I can just pick another. That’s the benefit of the additional range.

Can I make it more efficient or pleasant if I travel plan? Probably. I can pick hotels with destination chargers so I don’t have to DCFC, for example.

But you don’t have to spend hours agonizing; people here are obsessed with numbers and efficiency, but most people get in their EV, set a destination, and hit a charger when and if they need to. It’s not complicated.

The only difference is you don’t need a destination with an ICE vehicle because there are more gas stations around, so you can just randomly drive for 500 miles without any idea of where you’re headed. If that’s what you’re into, then yes, ICE is less complicated. But very few people travel that way.

 

[californiaboy935]

I think you guys are in the EV distortion field. I can hop in my Hybrid, travel pretty much anywhere I want without giving it a thought. I can't come close to doing that in my EV. Maybe you live in places where there are DCFCs on every corner, where all stalls are operational, and there are never lines. With an ICE, you get in and go, without a thought about the process.

I think this has become so familiar to EV drivers that it now seems like second nature, but to the ICE world, it is completely foreign and somewhat intimidating.

(Clarification: I'm talking about travel planning)

I’ve gone pretty much everywhere you can think of via DCFC, 61k miles, ate up a ton of free EA charging. And don’t have those problems. I basically do the same thing in the Lucid that I would in an ICE vehicle. *gets close to 20% remaining, look for a gas station (charger)*

 

[SaaSManKS]

I’ve gone pretty much everywhere you can think of via DCFC, 61k miles, ate up a ton of free EA charging. And don’t have those problems. I basically do the same thing in the Lucid that I would in an ICE vehicle. *gets close to 20% remaining, look for a gas station (charger)*

I'm curious, when you are looking for a charger, in your opinion, how far out of your way do you typically go and how far out of your way is the furthest you've gone?

I'm just curious what is acceptable. You seem to be pretty strong in your opinion on this, so I thought I'd ask because when I was living in KS I had pretty much the same experience with that in WNY; I would spend about 20-25 minutes (one-way mind you) looking for a DCFC, then if that didn't work for whatever reason, it's another 15-20 minutes to the next one...so right there, I've laid out about an hour round trip in driving to find charging and that doesn't even include actually plugging in.

I mean, let's assume it's a weekend and I am not pressed for time with work, I might have some flexibility to Lewis & Clark it around town looking for one, but I have a wife, I have 4 kids, I have sh*t I need to get done! lol So taking 1.5 hours out of the middle of a Saturday to charge sounds utterly insane to me. Just humor me; I mean, imagine if your spouse came home in their ICE and said "whew, I just got a 1/2 tank and I was only gone for 2 hours and 45 minutes!"

 

[fisheral]

I planned for the Air to begin my household's all-EV journey into the future (my wife has a Solterra). Unfortunately, my next car (after the Lemon process) won't be an EV because I get too much range anxiety in the winter, and, if I can't feel comfortable with an Air's winter range, there's nothing else on the market that would be an improvement.

Probably will do a PHEV since I already have the Level 2 charger installed in the garage.

 

[Leftlane]

I'm curious, when you are looking for a charger, in your opinion, how far out of your way do you typically go and how far out of your way is the furthest you've gone?

I'm just curious what is acceptable. You seem to be pretty strong in your opinion on this, so I thought I'd ask because when I was living in KS I had pretty much the same experience with that in WNY; I would spend about 20-25 minutes (one-way mind you) looking for a DCFC, then if that didn't work for whatever reason, it's another 15-20 minutes to the next one...so right there, I've laid out about an hour round trip in driving to find charging and that doesn't even include actually plugging in.

I mean, let's assume it's a weekend and I am not pressed for time with work, I might have some flexibility to Lewis & Clark it around town looking for one, but I have a wife, I have 4 kids, I have sh*t I need to get done! lol So taking 1.5 hours out of the middle of a Saturday to charge sounds utterly insane to me. Just humor me; I mean, imagine if your spouse came home in their ICE and said "whew, I just got a 1/2 tank and I was only gone for 2 hours and 45 minutes!"

you shouldn’t be hunting and pecking at all - use the apps like and ABRP, use the navigation system, use the websites - there really is nothing hard about knowing exactly where the chargers are and what condition/availability there is before you ever leave your house. Plus you really need to install a level 2 charger at home if possible to enjoy EV ownership.

 

[L-Dude]

you shouldn’t be hunting and pecking at all - use the apps like and ABRP, use the navigation system, use the websites - there really is nothing hard about knowing exactly where the chargers are and what condition/availability there is before you ever leave your house. Plus you really need to install a level 2 charger at home if possible to enjoy EV ownership.

Like I said, the amount of planning you need to do with an EV is many times harder than with an ICE. Sorry, but that's how it is. Hopefully, charging technology and charging networks will improve to a point where we don't need ABRP, Plugshare and an EV's nav to do a road trip.

 

[californiaboy935]

I'm curious, when you are looking for a charger, in your opinion, how far out of your way do you typically go and how far out of your way is the furthest you've gone?

I'm just curious what is acceptable. You seem to be pretty strong in your opinion on this, so I thought I'd ask because when I was living in KS I had pretty much the same experience with that in WNY; I would spend about 20-25 minutes (one-way mind you) looking for a DCFC, then if that didn't work for whatever reason, it's another 15-20 minutes to the next one...so right there, I've laid out about an hour round trip in driving to find charging and that doesn't even include actually plugging in.

I mean, let's assume it's a weekend and I am not pressed for time with work, I might have some flexibility to Lewis & Clark it around town looking for one, but I have a wife, I have 4 kids, I have sh*t I need to get done! lol So taking 1.5 hours out of the middle of a Saturday to charge sounds utterly insane to me. Just humor me; I mean, imagine if your spouse came home in their ICE and said "whew, I just got a 1/2 tank and I was only gone for 2 hours and 45 minutes!"

Your Kansas experience sounds frustrating, especially with a busy family schedule. That kind of charging detour would be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, but certainly isn't the norm with home charging.

For me, though, it’s pretty different. I live between two homes, which are each about 4 or 6 miles from a DC fast charger. If I weren’t getting free charging, I’d just plug in at home and almost never need a DCFC (except for long road trips). For most EV owners with home charging, the DC fast chargers are more like backup or road-trip infrastructure, not part of the daily routine.

Also, the modern apps (like Electrify America’s) and Lucid's built-in nav systems show charger status in real-time i.e. how many stalls are available, if they’re online, etc. That takes a lot of the guesswork out. In a way, it's actually more informative than pulling up to a gas station and finding it unexpectedly closed or all pumps blocked or taken, which has happened to me in places like Glendale, CA.

Honestly, I think a lot of this comes down to familiarity. People who are used to gas might not realize how easy it is to get this info before heading out. Once you're used to it, it's just not a big deal. Sure, you can pull into any gas station in America, but do they all have 100, 91, 76? And are the stall statuses available online?

I challenge you to see how long your commute from home to a gas station is, and compare it to a DCFC commute. Then compaire it to sitting at home drinking a beer while the car charges on the 100 Amp LCHC...

 

[SaaSManKS]

you shouldn’t be hunting and pecking at all - use the apps like and ABRP, use the navigation system, use the websites - there really is nothing hard about knowing exactly where the chargers are and what condition/availability there is before you ever leave your house. Plus you really need to install a level 2 charger at home if possible to enjoy EV ownership.

Oh that’s what I meant, I use apps and know where they are, but sometimes they are off line, then I have to go further to the next one, because there are only 2 DCFC chargers within a 12 mile range of me. I’m not just wandering around with no tech trying to eye up stations

 

[SaaSManKS]

Your Kansas experience sounds frustrating, especially with a busy family schedule. That kind of charging detour would be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, but certainly isn't the norm with home charging.

For me, though, it’s pretty different. I live between two homes, which are each about 4 or 6 miles from a DC fast charger. If I weren’t getting free charging, I’d just plug in at home and almost never need a DCFC (except for long road trips). For most EV owners with home charging, the DC fast chargers are more like backup or road-trip infrastructure, not part of the daily routine.

Also, the modern apps (like Electrify America’s) and Lucid's built-in nav systems show charger status in real-time i.e. how many stalls are available, if they’re online, etc. That takes a lot of the guesswork out. In a way, it's actually more informative than pulling up to a gas station and finding it unexpectedly closed or all pumps blocked or taken, which has happened to me in places like Glendale, CA.

Honestly, I think a lot of this comes down to familiarity. People who are used to gas might not realize how easy it is to get this info before heading out. Once you're used to it, it's just not a big deal. Sure, you can pull into any gas station in America, but do they all have 100, 91, 76? And are the stall statuses available online?

I challenge you to see how long your commute from home to a gas station is, and compare it to a DCFC commute. Then compaire it to sitting at home drinking a beer while the car charges on the 100 Amp LCHC...

My LHCS broke, opened a ticket with customer support about 3 weeks ago and still haven’t heard back, I mean it doesn’t matter anymore but just another compounded effect

 

[californiaboy935]

My LHCS broke, opened a ticket with customer support about 3 weeks ago and still haven’t heard back, I mean it doesn’t matter anymore but just another compounded effect

You had a ton of bad luck. I am very sorry you didn't have a better experience. Hopefully, Lucid will take note and internally evaluate what happened. (I think they will from what I know of Lucid) I sincerely hope you'll come back to Lucid. But if not, nothing but a friendly hello if we see you out in the world with your ICE vehicle.

 

[Dog poop]

I remember the crawling across to open my door! I ran a marathon in the cold and rain and when I got back to my car, the driver’s door would not open. While I can laugh about it now, I was pissed and hurting at the time.

Also I agree software has not progressed quite as much as I wanted but it is better than when I first got my car back in Dec 22.

Honestly I’ve had a ton of problems with my Lucid. So I can understand the mental exhaustion SaaSManKS has gone through. My car has been in service for probably 6 months of the two and a half years I’ve owned it.

I love this car but it has been buggier than I initially expected being the “better than Tesla” mentality Lucid displayed prior to purchased. I 100% concur, driving this car is on point! Love driving it and love giving it hell regularly. I’ve never enjoyed driving as much as I have with this car!

However, service is definitely in need of some serious reflection. I took my vehicle in for roof window replacement and they broke the rear window which didn't need to be replaced. Of course, it was tinted. Now I’m fighting Lucid for tint replacement on a window I did not need replaced because Lucid service techs broke it in the repair process. The window was being replaced due to a Lucid service issue in the first place, so fighting for tint is not something I should be doing but I am.

Not to mention I had to go back and get the contrails and roof trim replaced because the quality inspection missed the improper install of both items. As an owner who has no choice but to get service done at a Lucid Service Center, I expect to get near production representative repairs since the OEM is conducting these repairs. My repairs we not production representative nor should they have been passed through quality control.

Yeah, I’ve had my issues with service, and I can only hope it gets better prior to Gravity coming out. If it doesn’t, prepare yourselves for at least one maybe two of the seven circles of hell in service.

In the end, I still have my Lucid and I love it. But I do have concerns about the future that drive me to question whether I should keep my Air or not.

So while there are a lot of owners that have not had the same experiences as you, don’t feel like you are the only one that has experienced problems with their Air. Good luck in your future vehicle endeavors @SaaSManKS!

 

[Goodbye]

Literally couldn’t disagree more. I have not stepped foot in a gas station in years. I’ve not had to deal with oil changes, timing belts, transmission failures, or any of the other 12,500 moving parts in an ICE engine that need maintenance, lubrication, or replacing.

I wake up every morning without a worry as to how much gas I have.

That is most people with an EV, as far as I can tell. It is less complicated, by far.

The only complication is charging on road trips, and even then, it’s not complicated. Charge at your hotel or the nearest charger. You don’t even have to plan it, and can just have the route planner do it for you.

EA has been much, much more reliable as of late, and EVGo, Chargepoint, Ionna, and all the other networks also work well.

Not to mention that Superchargers are opening up access imminently, and already have to some.

I fail to see how an EV is more complicated. Different, sure. But not more complicated to own, imho.

I recently bought a used model X from a family who stopped driving it completely the last 6 months they owned it. They simply couldn't stand the added time of charging on their long trips. The wife was off with their 3 kids and almost ran out of juice 5 different times and even had to sit at a L2 charger for 3 hours just to get enough range to get to another supercharger. After we finalized the deal, they told me they were SO happy for it to be sold and they would never own an EV again.

Granted, they were pretty clueless about charging, but driving a gas car doesn't take ANY understanding whatsoever. That's precisely why some people need 500 miles of range.

 

[Goodbye]

I want to chime in as another very happy Lucid owner. We’ve had zero problems with our ‘23 Air GT, and I still find myself surprised about how great the driving experience is. I’m sorry for @Goodbye ’s bad ownership experience, but it’s a shame that one unhappy customer can generate so much agita in today’s digital world; I believe I saw his post in the Lucid subreddit, which then got picked up and put out as a story by some shady site called ‘Carscoops’.

You got the wrong person. I am not the OP.

 

[SaaSManKS]

You got the wrong person. I am not the OP.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to with the subreddit post I’ve never posted there.