Federal NEVI EV charger program cancelled

[borski]

AFAIK just about all of those units were privately funded. can you tell me how many of those newly installed chargers were funded by the government's scheme?

Just in case you’re asking genuinely, I answered this above.

 

[borski]

What so many people have forgotten is that democratic government works slowly by design, going all the way back to the Founding Fathers in this country. Democratic government is by definition an exercise in taking input from across a wide array of interests and views and then forging compromises that, while not always enthusiastically embraced by all parties, at least moves the ball forward on an issue. It's one of the main reasons the U.S. Senate, in particular, evolved a set of procedural rules early on that were meant to slow down action and make it the most deliberative body in our structure.

Starting with the Reagan administration, a new line of thought emerged with the "unitary executive" theory, arguing that the pace of events in modern times is not amenable to the timelines of more deliberative and collaborative action and dictates that the President be vested with power to act unilaterally over a much wider range than envisaged by the Founders. This theory has been embraced more by conservative Justices, despite their claims to be "originalists" in interpreting the Constitution. It's probably the main reason SCOTUS has thrown out the historical concept that no government officer is above the law to embrace the notion that the President has immunity from criminal prosecution for any official acts that might have violated the law.

Bill Barr was among the notable proponents of this theory in Trump's first administration. But many of the people more behind the scenes, especially in the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation, are of the unitary executive bent, and the Project 2025 work is imbued with it.

What we are seeing right now is a President who won less that 50% of the popular vote seize the moment to move our form of government quickly and decisively from its philosophical moorings and convert it into one of a unitary executive. However, where the original thinking of the unitary executive theory was grounded in the perceived need to act more quickly given the pace of the modern world, it has been distorted into a theory that gives the presidency the power to operate without consensus in any realm, including the ideological, and in contravention of legislative mandates.

One of the ironies is that Republicans in Congress, who once guarded their powers and prerogative jealously in response to long stints of Democratic presidencies, have now acquiesced in turning the polity-making powers that the Founders invested in the legislative branch over to the executive branch with nary a whimper. They seem to be assuming that no one but a Republican will ever sit in the White House again.

And this, folks, is why it took some time to fashion the NEVI legislation and implement it but only minutes to destroy it.

I could not have said this better myself. Again: before knocking down Chesterton’s Fences all around, consider having the humility and curiosity to understand why they exist in the first place. Otherwise, they may be load-bearing after all.

That’s fine for a company, because if it dies, it’s still within the system.

If the system dies… so do a lot of people.

 

[scal_air]

In my humble opinion, and I mean that sincerely, this is the root of out current problem...

Dunning–Kruger effect https://g.co/kgs/3gv1jNo

 

[xponents]

In my humble opinion, and I mean that sincerely, this is the root of out current problem...

Dunning–Kruger effect https://g.co/kgs/3gv1jNo

Wait, you mean I'm not the next Peter Rawlinson?

 

[illopp00]

So of course the question is how much money had actually been spent on the chargers. It’s one thing for Petey to say $7.5 billion hasn’t been spent, but he deftly avoided saying how much has been spent. Likewise he also avoided saying how many chargers have been built. Saying they’re now in 9 states tells us absolutely nothing, it could be 9 chargers or 100. Question asked, answer avoided.

More government B.S. I don’t think anyone here would say the government, regardless of which party is in power, is your ‘go to’ entity for efficiency & speed, no matter what the project.

Right how hard is it to provide some transparency? I can go to Tesla's investor report and see how many chargers they have in the network and how operational have been added. It would get rid of all this waste and politics of misinformation. Just provide the right information.

 

[borski]

Right how hard is it to provide some transparency? I can go to Tesla's investor report and see how many chargers they have in the network and how operational have been added. It would get rid of all this waste and politics of misinformation. Just provide the right information.

Again: did you see above where all the information was posted every quarter?

 

[hmp10]

For those who are interested in actual facts regarding NEVI instead of political posturing, this new "State of Charge" video is worth a watch:

 

[illopp00]

Ok I looked at the link with the trend showing about 800 DCFC 'Ports' being added a month. I still think the issue then becomes you can't take that at face value, because of the compatibility issues still out there with CCS vs NACs and 400V and 1000V.

 

[illopp00]

For those who are interested in actual facts regarding NEVI instead of political posturing, this new "State of Charge" video is worth a watch:

This is good information, but it's not necessarily showing it in the greatest light, each port is costing the US taxpayer 127K. This is somewhere between 2-3x what the private sector is showing they can do. Which the guy in the video mentioned too.

 

[CWedge411]

This is good information, but it's not necessarily showing it in the greatest light, each port is costing the US taxpayer 127K. This is somewhere between 2-3x what the private sector is showing they can do. Which the guy in the video mentioned too.

I Think Tom was being a little more optimistic than he should have been. 300 ports when 500,000+ are needed is not what I would call "good" especially at $100k per port.