DreamDrive Premium at a DreamDrive Pro Price?

[Buffalo Bob]

The lack of Pure bug fixes continues to baffle me, and I just cannot accept the explanation that Pure owners have been (at least temporarily) abandoned while Lucid focuses their software development resources on Gravity. If they can afford to build factories that are WAY future-ready, they certainly should be able to afford the resources to fix those things that need fixing for their early adopters.

If that's true for bug fixes, then I think that's true in spades for those Pure owners who paid a premium for DreamDrive Pro, and are waiting for some sign of progress on it. At this point, it seems to me that we have DreamDrive Premium at a DreamDrive Pro price. I love the 360 degree camera feature, but any progress on driving-related technology is pretty seriously lacking. (Frustrating when I hear from Tesla owners about how reasonably-well FSD performs with just a few cameras scattered about, while my car is a largely-untapped technological powerhouse.) Even Lucid's lane centering is pretty marginal on simple curves, and can be outright hair-raising when lane lines disappear for a few moments.

So, if all we are getting is DreamDrive Premium, perhaps Lucid should consider refunding the difference between DreamDrive Premium and DreamDrive Pro, and get back to us when they have something to at least partially justify the price difference.

Wow! I feel this way after only six months. I really admire all of the really early adopters, who must have the patience of Job.

 

[hydbob]

Almost 3 years in and additional DDPro features are low on my list of priorities. I still don't and probably will never trust a car to drive for me, so ACC is the limit of my comfort level. I understand others are more risk tolerant and understand why those features are being requested.

 

[billvb]

Yeah, having come from a Tesla, I’m not that concerned about the self-driving features. Tesla FSD was quite good - except when it suddenly wasn’t - which was frequently annoying, embarrassing, and occasionally terrifying - so ultimately I stopped using it very much.
While I concur that DDPro could use some improvement (ultimately it’s about on par with out Subaru’s Eyesight driver assist features), the last update seemed to offer a huge improvement for my car in two very important areas - locking/unlocking dependably, and having a more robust connection with my iPhone; CarPlay and my Apple Watch have been much more dependable since.

 

[Drendino]

Almost 3 years in and additional DDPro features are low on my list of priorities. I still don't and probably will never trust a car to drive for me, so ACC is the limit of my comfort level. I understand others are more risk tolerant and understand why those features are being requested.

I’m confused why you believe that the OP is “risk tolerant” by wanting bug fixes and improvements in current features, in addition to what was originally advertised in DD Pro, such as Lane Keep Assist. To your point about being 3 years in, at what point does “future ready” become the present?

 

[Buffalo Bob]

I suppose I didn't do myself any favors by mentioning 'bug fixes' in a 'DreamDrive Pro' titled post, but I was foolishly lumping together the things that Lucid clearly OWES us. With regard to 'bug fixes'... Something like Creature Comfort Mode, while certainly a nice enhancement, was not owed to us. However, we are owed things like reliable door auto open/close, Android-related functionality, a rational HomeLink process, and a host of other things that should simply work (or at least work better) in a luxury car. DreamDrive Pro is a different animal for those of us that paid for a series of yet-to-be-developed features. To clarify, I can happily wait for anything even closely approximating FSD functionality, but at this point... shouldn't I be able to take my car on the highway, with my eyes on the road and my hands off the wheel, and expect the car to stay in my chosen lane and slow/stop if the car ahead of me slows/stops?

 

[HC_79]

With the lack of communication from Lucid one can only assume that they've abandoned DDPro features for the foreseeable future. When discussing the car with potential future owners, I'm actually telling people to not even bother with DDPro because at this point in time it's a money grab with no return.

I'd be more annoyed if I paid the original $10K price for DDPro and effectively got nothing as of today but I got the GT and it was bundled in. For those who have dropped $10K in the early days then they have every right to be annoyed with Lucid for lack of updates or communication. It's completely unacceptable to ask for that amount of money then 2+ years in not offer owners anything. The video below is laughable at this point

The imagery is outdated

According to Lucid these below enhancements were "soon". Soon is not 3 years!

Announced on October 12th 2021 its borderline false advertising at this point.....

 

[MJAir23TheGoat]

My daughter routinely drives her new Highland model three from our home to college campus 37 miles away on full self drive, zero issues. FSD has come a long long way over the years

I love the driving aspect of my GT, but the overall software is definitely lacking and the OTA’s have been minimalistic thus far into my ownership. As much as I enjoy it as a fantastic DD, I’ll probably be moving on especially before the 18 month lease return start coming in and the market completely tanks on resale. I love the idea of getting in and getting out of daily drivers and different experience each one provides. To date the GT is still one of my very favorites overall.

 

[joec]

With the lack of communication from Lucid one can only assume that they've abandoned DDPro features for the foreseeable future

Really? That's the only thing one can do?

 

[HC_79]

Really? That's the only thing one can do?

Its not unreasonable to expect an update from a company for features they promised years ago. If they remain silent there's more than likely a reason for it and in most cases it's usually not a good one. Therefore, I don't expect to see anything on DDPro for the foreseeable future. Would love to be wrong but don't think I am......

 

[Buffalo Bob]

With the lack of communication from Lucid one can only assume that they've abandoned DDPro features for the foreseeable future. When discussing the car with potential future owners, I'm actually telling people to not even bother with DDPro because at this point in time it's a money grab with no return.

I'd be more annoyed if I paid the original $10K price for DDPro and effectively got nothing as of today but I got the GT and it was bundled in. For those who have dropped $10K in the early days then they have every right to be annoyed with Lucid for lack of updates or communication. It's completely unacceptable to ask for that amount of money then 2+ years in not offer owners anything. The video below is laughable at this point

With regard to the beginning of your second paragraph... I am also among those people who got DreamDrive Pro for 'free' as part of the Fall 2023 bundled pricing incentives, and I think that promo in no way diminishes my right to expect it. Basic (at the very least) DreamDrive Pro functionality was a key item for my wife, and was every bit as much a piece of the total equation, and the purchase decision, as was any other part or feature of the car. To use a 'prix frie' analogy... If I buy a three course meal where the dessert at the end is technically 'free', I expect that dessert as much as I did the first course and the entrée. Not only don't I have my dessert, I'm still waiting for some of the entrée!

 

[joec]

Its not unreasonable to expect an update from a company for features they promised years ago. If they remain silent there's more than likely a reason for it and in most cases it's usually not a good one. Therefore, I don't expect to see anything on DDPro for the foreseeable future. Would love to be wrong but don't think I am......

You're right about expectations. We have every right to be wondering where our new Dream Drive Pro features are.

My argument is with the assumption that they've "given up entirely."

No automobile maker can afford to ignore ADAS features. It's table stakes at this point. Every single manufacturer has had some degree of success thus far, but no one is not planning on offering something better than they currently have. Lucid, in particular, is still behind many of the others.

Therefore, the idea that Lucid literally plans to do no work on ADAS for the foreseeable future is not a safe assumption.

What's more likely?

That it's taking them longer to figure out than they had hoped?
That getting Gravity out the door is taking more of a priority at the moment?
That a major rewrite of their UX is currently underway, so even though they may have some advances ready under the hood, the interface for it is currently in flux?
That the software they thought they could buld given the current hardware in the Air has proven more difficult than originally assumed?
That they lost their head of software recently, and that might be causing some reshuffling of duties and priorities?

Take your pick.

"Lucid has given up on ADAS as a company" would be the least likely of all possible options.

 

[sri]

At least they need to get the highway assist working with stop and go. Currently it needs us to push a button or slight accelerate.

 

[borski]

At least they need to get the highway assist working with stop and go. Currently it needs us to push a button or slight accelerate.

It only needs that if traffic comes to a complete stop. If you are still moving, at all, even at 1mph, it does not need a switch or accelerator pedal movement.

 

[sri]

It only needs that if traffic comes to a complete stop. If you are still moving, at all, even at 1mph, it does not need a switch or accelerator pedal movement.

Yes, but now a days its becoming pretty basic in cars. Lucid needs to step up in the Dream drive pro.
I frequently travel on I4 between Tampa and Orlando. This feature is of a great help when i had my Tesla and Hyundai vehicles. And this don't require Lucid to reinvent the wheel, others are just doing this with front cameras and sensors.

 

[borski]

Yes, but now a days its becoming pretty basic in cars. Lucid needs to step up in the Dream drive pro.
I frequently travel on I4 between Tampa and Orlando. This feature is of a great help when i had my Tesla and Hyundai vehicles. And this don't require Lucid to reinvent the wheel, others are just doing this with front cameras and sensors.

Other cars have other features, yes. This one has features those don't. I am certain that Lucid will develop more features over time, and that its competitors will continue to do the same.

I look forward to the day all cars are perfect.

 

[sri]

Other cars have other features, yes. This one has features those don't. I am certain that Lucid will develop more features over time, and that its competitors will continue to do the same.

I look forward to the day all cars are perfect.

i think the point is not about futures on other cars, basic stuff thats missing even after 3 years on a hyped Dream Drive Pro. Lucid minus Dream Drive pro is a great car. I have no complains on the car from driving perspective.

 

[borski]

i think the point is not about futures on other cars, basic stuff thats missing even after 3 years on a hyped Dream Drive Pro. Lucid minus Dream Drive pro is a great car. I have no complains on the car from driving perspective.

We have different definitions of 'basic stuff'. Highway Assist works great, and steers well, and I have no issues with it, so it suits my needs. Sure, I'm looking forward to Lane Change Assist and Highway Pilot, but I happen to be fine with HA for now.

And that's fine - just different levels of need for what we want from our cars today. I agree that eventually they will build out and release Highway Pilot, LCA, and so on. I'm certain it is not 'dead.'

 

[sri]

We have different definitions of 'basic stuff'. Highway Assist works great, and steers well, and I have no issues with it, so it suits my needs. Sure, I'm looking forward to Lane Change Assist and Highway Pilot, but I happen to be fine with HA for now.

And that's fine - just different levels of need for what we want from our cars today. I agree that eventually they will build out and release Highway Pilot, LCA, and so on. I'm certain it is not 'dead.'

I am certain that once they release this, they will be best in industry. Adaptive cruise in Lucid is the best when compared to others.

 

[TakeDuo]

I am certain that once they release this, they will be best in industry. Adaptive cruise in Lucid is the best when compared to others.

I would have to disagree with the best compared to others. In my experience anyway. Our 2017 Chrysler Pacifica was flawless at this. Smooth braking and acceleration and maintained perfect distance set. The Lucid tends to abruptly brake hard and acceleration is not totally smooth. Again, everyone has their own experiences though.

 

[HC_79]

I am certain that once they release this, they will be best in industry. Adaptive cruise in Lucid is the best when compared to others.

We’re going to agree to disagree on that one. Lucids is “fine” but it’s nowhere near the best compared to others.