The funny part is that you literally lied in your post. I have a new EV9, which only has a very basic visualization, warnings to put your hands on the wheel (granted, it is rare and comes up every 2 minutes), and lane changing is activated with the push of the lane marker.
Okay, @Bobby, you did not have to do that to us… but well played. Easily the roast of the month on this forum, as is normal for you
Wait, wouldn’t the only reason you got DDPro be that… it was included on the Dream? Haha
Yes, but, we could have waited to purchase a lower trim without it.
I agree. I’m disappointed in several of the features I don’t have. I love the way the car drives but the features could use a massive software upgrade to stay current with the times.
Test drives are important. That said, some more features are coming soon.
I believe that for early models, DDPremium was not an option, just DDPro. They later added this intermediate option.
Yes, in the early days it was either DreamDrive which came standard or DreamDrive Pro which was $10,000 with a whole bunch of things promised as coming soon or in future to justify the price. It seems now that some features are finally being released in the coming months.
In all fairness, "annoying" is subjective. I don't find the prompts in the Lucid annoying. I do find ones in a Tesla annoying. Lucid won't bother me if there's a moderate and consistent amount of pressure on the wheel. If I do get a warning for any reason, a tug will make it go away, and if I tug too hard it won't disengage autosteer the way it does on a Tesla.
I don’t actually think that’s a valid argument. In the case without ADAS, drivers know, by definition, that they need to have their hands on the wheel, because otherwise the car can’t steer.
I’d be surprised if they don’t eventually switch to this, or add it as an option, but it has its own issues; you may need to adjust the wheel so the camera can see you, potentially, depending on your seating position. Moreover, if it sense that your eyes are straying, I have no doubt it’ll ask you to keep your hands on the wheel.
That’s an interesting idea. I could see it being really jarring for people who don’t expect it, but that might be an idea worth exploring!
HA does this; if you don’t respond after repeated warnings to put your hands on the wheel, it will turn on the hazards and initiate an in-lane stop. This is illegal nearly everywhere, but the point is if you’re having a seizure or otherwise unable to respond, it may just save your life by alerting others to the issue.
Exactly, and nobody has to tell people constantly (or at all) not to keep their feet on the dashboard when using cruise control. Even keeping a foot over the accelerator takes more time to move it to the brakes than it takes to move your hands from your lap to the steering wheel, and I don't expect people to tie their hands behind their backs. Most of the reaction time is from whatever the driver is seeing registering as something that needs reacting to. In my experience, those things that need a quick reaction are the ones that ADAS handles much better than humans, and the ones that require taking over are ones that drivers tend to see well enough in advance. Regardless, being told to hold the wheel at all times and failing to do so is a lot like being told to pay attention at all times and failing to do so. In reality, people fail to pay attention, and that's when they have accidents. And they are almost always holding the wheel and likely driving a car without ADAS.
MIT did a study years ago on Teslas. They expected to find that people paid less attention with Autopilot but ended up finding that people were equally attentive. A later study found that drivers spent less time looking at the road, but that could be attributed to changes making the driver regularly look at the screen for messages. I'd rather hear a tone than see a message flash if flashing a message necessarily means looking away from the road. Also, Tesla made their screens unnecessarily busy. It might show what the car sees ahead, but looking through the windshield will give a driver that information better. A head up display might help but I haven't seen actual studies showing that they result in fewer accidents.
That's a separate issue and I think Lucid screwed up with the position of the camera. Not only will it be blocked by the steering wheel in many positions, having the wheel tilt up when exiting the vehicle means that the car won't see whoever sits in it next in order to determine who it is. Another problem unrelated to the immediate topic is that it doesn't work very well. I get the message even if I have my eyes locked dead ahead and am looking exactly where I should be looking. They need to come up with a way to fix it, or to have a calibration step for each driver profile where it can learn what constitutes looking at the road for a given driver.
From studies I've seen, reaction time based on an unexpected stimulus is about a full second. I doubt that moving hands from a person's lap to the wheel takes longer than hanging a finger at the bottom of the wheel to exert pressure and then having to reposition it. In the event of a sudden need for a maneuver, it might take both hands to react quickly, and having one hand on the wheel in the wrong position might make no difference. It certainly won't speed up getting both hands on the wheel.
Under normal circumstances, if a person stops responding and there's no pressure on the pedal, the car would come to a stop anyway. One with an engine and automatic transmission would keep rolling. HA does put on the hazard lights and come to a stop in theory, but anybody who isn't incapacitated would take over long before the car had a chance to do that. So if it ever happens in real life (aside from a test on an empty road by people who like to do that sort of thing) it's likely very necessary.
