Charging at NACS Superchargers

Finally stopped at RAN in Queensbury 63F outside preconditioned for 25 minutes, 2023 Pure AWD

Started at 4% and got 234kw
At 10% was at 190kw
At 20% was at 164kw
At 25% was at 155kw
At 30% was at 146kw
At 35% was at 137kw
At 40% was at 128kw
At 45% was at 117kw
 
Finally stopped at RAN in Queensbury 63F outside preconditioned for 25 minutes, 2023 Pure AWD

Started at 4% and got 234kw
At 10% was at 190kw
At 20% was at 164kw
At 25% was at 155kw
At 30% was at 146kw
At 35% was at 137kw
At 40% was at 128kw
At 45% was at 117kw
Ummmm.... your battery is 92kWh.
 
Cost was $24 for 38 kw-hr ($0.63/kw-hr). Only posting speed and cost because I said I would before the winter.
 
Why it's true Elon and Tesla have the capacity and motive to be very petty. It also makes sense that they could use the revenue from anywhere right now, and would gladly allow Lucid on the network, unfettered.
My hesitation would be with how stable and seamless that access works, considering the Supercharger division was absolutely decimated not too long ago.
I'd expect it to be buggy, and technical service to be slow.

Ford was the first non-Tesla manufacturer added to the Tesla network. I have charged my Mach-e on the SC network multiple times, and every time it worked flawlessly. Unlike EA.

Don't worry. It will work. EA is a crapshoot.
 
Ford was the first non-Tesla manufacturer added to the Tesla network. I have charged my Mach-e on the SC network multiple times, and every time it worked flawlessly. Unlike EA.

Don't worry. It will work. EA is a crapshoot.
Within the past year, EA has upgraded all or almost all of their chargers in the Las Vegas area to 350kW and added a new 6-bank station. While I've never gotten over 225kW, my experience is that there are fewer chargers out of service. IMO, EA has improved a lot here.
 
Within the past year, EA has upgraded all or almost all of their chargers in the Las Vegas area to 350kW and added a new 6-bank station. While I've never gotten over 225kW, my experience is that there are fewer chargers out of service. IMO, EA has improved a lot here.

Good. But based on my experience, EA is not reliable.
 
I find an EA is very reliable lately, there’s just not enough of them.

I hope your experience becomes more common. The last time (a couple weeks ago) I tried a EA it was horrible.
 
I hope your experience becomes more common. The last time (a couple weeks ago) I tried a EA it was horrible.
Then use another network. I've had great experiences at RAN, Chargepoint, ViaLink, EVGo and EA. When travelling I use the station that's most convenient for my trip. If I have bad experiences a try and use a different network next time I'm travelling that way again.
 
I hope your experience becomes more common. The last time (a couple weeks ago) I tried a EA it was horrible.
It was terrible here until about 8 months ago. Three separate EA locations were completely OTS. I thought like you that EA was going under when in fact they were upgrading them. Granted, they could have staggered/sequenced the work better instead of shutting 3 locations down at the same time. Difference now is night and day. I also noticed that they have upgraded a lot of the EA chargers in the San Diego area as well. There was only one near Rancho Penasquitos; now almost all of the nearby ones have been upgraded. EA also does a terrible job of informing the consumer on what's happening. Only 2 data points but seems like things are improving in SoCal and LAS. Hopefully, you're next.

EA also installed a brand-new 6-station 350 kW charger near me, like a mile away. Bad news is that pre-conditioning is a joke; good news is that I only lose 1% charge by the time I get home.
 
Then use another network. I've had great experiences at RAN, Chargepoint, ViaLink, EVGo and EA. When travelling I use the station that's most convenient for my trip. If I have bad experiences a try and use a different network next time I'm travelling that way again.

I do. I use the Tesla SC network. EA sucks. RAN is supposed to be very good also, but have not used yet.
 
It appears access to Tesla Superchargers may not be the panacea some hope in terms of curing charging woes.

After several years of haranguing by us friends who have EVs, a good friend finally relented and leased a Volvo XC30. Two days ago he took his first road trip in it and, unfortunately, his experience was not much different from ours in the early days of Air ownership and dealing with Electrify America.

Volvo is one of the "NACS Partner" brands to which Superchargers are now open, and he was planning to use them as his default choice for charging. Before taking his first road trip I urged him to use a local V3 Supercharger just to be sure he understood how everything worked. I had already walked him through why only some Superchargers can be used to charge NACS cars. He did so and had a seamless experience. Volvo is set up for "charge & plug" just as is the Lucid Gravity. He plugged in, and charging automatically commenced, linking to the credit card he had on file in his Volvo app. Easy peasy.

So Tuesday he headed across the state for an appointment with the German consulate in Miami. (He's applying for right-of-descent citizenship. Appointments are only available a few days a month and are hard to come by, so you don't want to miss one.) He left home with a two-and-a-half hour buffer on top of this travel time, as he was nervous about having to charge in Miami.

He planned a charge stop at a Supercharger in Davie which he had verified beforehand was a "NACS Partner" site. As he neared the charge location his nav system told him to use station 1 or 2. When he arrived, the stations were designated 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 2a, 2b, 2c, and 2d. Several were open, and he plugged into one. Nothing happened, so he tried to initiate the charge through his Volvo app. Nothing. He tried another station. Nothing. And a third. Still nothing. Now beginning to panic a bit, he looked up the next closest location which was at a casino in Hollywood with 24 stations. Off he went. Again, the first several stations he tried did not respond to the car's being plugged in or to initiation attempts through the app. He finally found a station that recognized the car and began to show activity. After a few seconds, though, he got a "Charge Failed" message.

Now in a full panic he looked up any charging service he could find and landed on some chargers at a 7/11 store. He got there, opened an account, put in his credit card information, and plugged in. He tried to initiate charging following the instructions at the station. And . . . nothing. At that point a lady pulled into the next station and got her charging started without a hitch. He asked her for help. He gave her his phone and watched as she did exactly what he had done to initiate charging. This time it worked, and he was finally able to charge.

He made it to the consulate with 15 minutes remaining of the two-and-a-half hours he had allowed.

He kept me on the phone today for an hour, during which time he reminded me several times who was the biggest advocate for his switching to an EV.
 
It appears access to Tesla Superchargers may not be the panacea some hope in terms of curing charging woes.

After several years of haranguing by us friends who have EVs, a good friend finally relented and leased a Volvo XC30. Two days ago he took his first road trip in it and, unfortunately, his experience was not much different from ours in the early days of Air ownership and dealing with Electrify America.

Volvo is one of the "NACS Partner" brands to which Superchargers are now open, and he was planning to use them as his default choice for charging. Before taking his first road trip I urged him to use a local V3 Supercharger just to be sure he understood how everything worked. I had already walked him through why only some Superchargers can be used to charge NACS cars. He did so and had a seamless experience. Volvo is set up for "charge & plug" just as is the Lucid Gravity. He plugged in, and charging automatically commenced, linking to the credit card he had on file in his Volvo app. Easy peasy.

So Tuesday he headed across the state for an appointment with the German consulate in Miami. (He's applying for right-of-descent citizenship. Appointments are only available a few days a month and are hard to come by, so you don't want to miss one.) He left home with a two-and-a-half hour buffer on top of this travel time, as he was nervous about having to charge in Miami.

He planned a charge stop at a Supercharger in Davie which he had verified beforehand was a "NACS Partner" site. As he neared the charge location his nav system told him to use station 1 or 2. When he arrived, the stations were designated 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 2a, 2b, 2c, and 2d. Several were open, and he plugged into one. Nothing happened, so he tried to initiate the charge through his Volvo app. Nothing. He tried another station. Nothing. And a third. Still nothing. Now beginning to panic a bit, he looked up the next closest location which was at a casino in Hollywood with 24 stations. Off he went. Again, the first several stations he tried did not respond to the car's being plugged in or to initiation attempts through the app. He finally found a station that recognized the car and began to show activity. After a few seconds, though, he got a "Charge Failed" message.

Now in a full panic he looked up any charging service he could find and landed on some chargers at a 7/11 store. He got there, opened an account, put in his credit card information, and plugged in. He tried to initiate charging following the instructions at the station. And . . . nothing. At that point a lady pulled into the next station and got her charging started without a hitch. He asked her for help. He gave her his phone and watched as she did exactly what he had done to initiate charging. This time it worked, and he was finally able to charge.

He made it to the consulate with 15 minutes remaining of the two-and-a-half hours he had allowed.

He kept me on the phone today for an hour, during which time he reminded me several times who was the biggest advocate for his switching to an EV.
It sounds like he was doing something wrong. We took our EX90 to Mammoth (a 6+ hour drive) and had no issues charging at multiple Superchargers there and back. The trick is that you have to use the Tesla app itself to initiate the charge. There is no plug and charge for Volvo as far as I'm aware.
 
It sounds like he was doing something wrong. We took our EX90 to Mammoth (a 6+ hour drive) and had no issues charging at multiple Superchargers there and back. The trick is that you have to use the Tesla app itself to initiate the charge. There is no plug and charge for Volvo as far as I'm aware.

That's what we thought, too . . . until he plugged in before his trip at a Supercharger station (Miramar Outlets in Estero, FL) and charging began before he did anything. Also, when he was at the Hollywood, FL Superchargers, one of the stations did activate and try to initiate charging while the other stations there just remained dead when he plugged in.

Also, the Volvo website gives conflicting information. In one place it says you have to go into the Volvo app and identify the charging station you are using. But in another place it says this:

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He went through a lengthy orientation with the Volvo salesperson, so I'm assuming the salesperson set up this feature for him as he did have plug & charge capability at the Estero station.

I told him that it was very unlikely that two different Supercharger locations would have had such problems, as the Tesla network is very reliable. I suspect a software issue in his car.

But even if he did something wrong -- which is not inconceivable -- it does illustrate what a minefield DCFC can be for EV novices. I can't count the problems we have had with EA stations (and we've owned EVs for ten years) or count the times I've seen other drivers pull up to EA chargers and fumble with their phones, and the cables, and their credit cards before finally driving off in frustration.

We still have a very long way to go with charging infrastructure in this country.
 
...But even if he did something wrong -- which is not inconceivable -- it does illustrate what a minefield DCFC can be for EV novices. I can't count the problems we have had with EA stations (and we've owned EVs for ten years) or count the times I've seen other drivers pull up to EA chargers and fumble with their phones, and the cables, and their credit cards before finally driving off in frustration....
That's unfortunate. I had no problems at all, the two times I've tried it in our Volvo. I used the Tesla app to initiate the charge both times. Opened up the app and followed its clear directions. Very quick charge initiation.
 
That's unfortunate. I had no problems at all, the two times I've tried it in our Volvo. I used the Tesla app to initiate the charge both times. Opened up the app and followed its clear directions. Very quick charge initiation.

I sent him instructions this morning about how to use the phone app to initiate Supercharger charging. Nothing to do but wait to see how his experience evolves, I guess.

However, the instructions I sent him from the Volvo website said to use the Volvo app to initiate charge at a Tesla Supercharger:

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I sent him instructions this morning about how to use the phone app to initiate Supercharger charging. Nothing to do but wait to see how his experience evolves, I guess.

However, the instructions I sent him from the Volvo website said to use the Volvo app to initiate charge at a Tesla Supercharger:..
I saw Volvo's instructions and ignored them, figuring that I'd have one fewer party involved in the process if I used Tesla's app instead. A newbie would have no idea though.
 
A newbie would have no idea though.

A local college offers free seminars through its Continuing Education department on how to use the features of smartphones. (South Florida being a retiree haven, they are very heavily attended.) I've sometimes wondered if similar seminars should be offered for new EV owners, especially when it comes to charging. Especially down here. 🤭
 
Who could have predicted this would be confusing and/or not work well at the outset? There’s no way it’s gonna be a year or three before it’s all settled and all brands work seamlessly. That would be crazy talk.
 
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