CarPlay Ultra, the next generation of CarPlay, begins rolling out today

[borski]

Everyone talks about Tesla being the gold standard of software in a car

Not everyone does. I, and many others, hate Tesla's UX. Their connectivity suite is great, but their UX is garbage, imho.

I like Lucid's UX overall, but it has plenty of refinement to go. The vision, though, I'm on board with.

Honestly maybe it's that I'm bored with the chiclets, or maybe it's that I think there's something to be said for a bespoke UX/UI that is tailored for the machine by the designers who designed it.

CarPlay hsa always been... a phone UI in a car.

I want a great car UX/UI.

But choice is a good thing, so I'm glad they offer CarPlay too. I would just be very sad if that was all they did.

 

[Bobby]

I want mine to work, easily, for me. A friend of mine has a Tesla and I agree, the UI is a giant mess. And since that would be the only UI in my life that works that way, I don’t want to learn an entirely new one. This is why I favor CarPlay. I don’t love that it is in such a small screen in the Air, and, honestly, Lucid has done an awful job integrating it further into the system compared to other manufacturers, but otherwise it does everything I need and it’s very familiar. It’s just an extension of all my other devices that I know very well. For me, any car that does not offer CarPlay integration is off my shopping list.

 

[uieo563]

Not everyone does. I, and many others, hate Tesla's UX. Their connectivity suite is great, but their UX is garbage, imho.

I like Lucid's UX overall, but it has plenty of refinement to go. The vision, though, I'm on board with.

Honestly maybe it's that I'm bored with the chiclets, or maybe it's that I think there's something to be said for a bespoke UX/UI that is tailored for the machine by the designers who designed it.

CarPlay hsa always been... a phone UI in a car.

I want a great car UX/UI.

But choice is a good thing, so I'm glad they offer CarPlay too. I would just be very sad if that was all they did.

To be clear, the user decides if they turn on carplay ultra or not. Want to the the car UI? Go for it.

Also there is an extremely robust api to customize what it looks like. Nothing would prevent lucid from making a lucid aligned UI on top of CarPlay ultra.

 

[Miami_Lucid_Man]

I would honestly just love current Car Play to fill out the screen it's currently on. The rest of the Lucid interface is uniquely Lucid, which I like.

 

[segbrk]

I would honestly just love current Car Play to fill out the screen it's currently on. The rest of the Lucid interface is uniquely Lucid, which I like.

That's on Apple unfortunately. Apple requires CarPlay to be displayed on the upper screen. Apple has access to the whole curved area and iOS is what draws the wavy lights background, iOS just doesn't support anything but a rectangular screen for apps. My hope is they'll be a little bit more flexible and forward-thinking with that now that CarPlay 2.0 has become CarPlay Ultra, i.e. not replacing CarPlay. I'm not going to hold my breath though, since most car screens are big rectangles now anyway.

 

[borski]

That's on Apple unfortunately. Apple requires CarPlay to be displayed on the upper screen.

In particular, this is a safety rule. They do not want CarPlay on a screen that is below eye level.

CarPlay, by default, draws interactive content within a "safe area" on the vehicle's display, ensuring the UI is always visible. This safe area is designed to prevent critical elements from being obscured by the vehicle's trim or other physical features.

That means it could never be on the pilot panel, *if only* because it can be hidden away, never to be seen again.

This is different with CarPlay Ultra, and even regular CarPlay can also draw in a HUD or on the speedometer instrument cluster, but not the pilot panel.

The rest of what @segbrk said is also accurate; the viewport and aspect ratio / size are all defined by Apple, not Lucid; again, this changes with Ultra, if Lucid ever decided to implement it.

 

[LuvLucy]

CarPlay, by default, draws interactive content within a "safe area" on the vehicle's display, ensuring the UI is always visible. This safe area is designed to prevent critical elements from being obscured by the vehicle's trim or other physical features.

That means it could never be on the pilot panel, *if only* because it can be hidden away, never to be seen again.

That is odd, if I am using CarPlay and hit any of the native app shortcuts (say Music, or Nav) on the top screen, my CarPlay is "hidden away, never to be seen again."

Maybe my car is defective and I need to take it in for service?

 

[Bobby]

That is odd, if I am using CarPlay and hit any of the native app shortcuts (say Music, or Nav) on the top screen, my CarPlay is "hidden away, never to be seen again."

Maybe my car is defective and I need to take it in for service?

No, you have asked the car to go to its native UI for those things. To switch back to CarPlay simply press the Home button and tap the CarPlay icon.

 

[LuvLucy]

So, hidden and away never to be seen again is some magical barrier depending upon the button that is pushed?

I understand how to get back to CarPlay, thanks for the help - just wanted to make sure I was not playing outside the "safe area" for critical elements being drawn or needed a service appointment.

In short the CarPlay implementation in Air is MVP at best IMO in a 7" screen, to check a box. And native apps swiped to the bottom screen should STAY THERE unless told to go away. The whole UI is juvenile at best in how it uses the 2 screens. Touch anything, anywhere on the top screen and it wants to reset EVERYTHING.

It's quite 2020.

 

[borski]

So, hidden and away never to be seen again is some magical barrier depending upon the button that is pushed?

No. If CarPlay is up, it must be within line of sight. You cannot hide away the top panel, but you can ask CarPlay to go away. If you ask for it to come back, it will always appear within line of sight. This is not a hard thing to understand, unless you are intentionally trying to misunderstand it.

I understand how to get back to CarPlay, thanks for the help - just wanted to make sure I was not playing outside the "safe area" for critical elements being drawn or needed a service appointment.

Please chill with the unnecessary sarcasm. None of us are trying to be combative here.

In short the CarPlay implementation in Air is MVP at best IMO in a 7" screen, to check a box.

No, that is not what anyone said. I suggest re-reading things again, perhaps after a walk away from the computer. The CarPlay implementation is precisely as Apple allows it, because there is no HUD, and nav and media are already in the center driver binnacle, so I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't one.

And native apps swiped to the bottom screen should STAY THERE unless told to go away.

That has absolutely nothing to do with CarPlay (though I agree).

The whole UI is juvenile at best in how it uses the 2 screens. Touch anything, anywhere on the top screen and it wants to reset EVERYTHING.

It works exactly as intended; the top is intended to be the main selection device, and the pilot panel is intended to be for details or advanced settings, so you can swipe the top down to the bottom. It clearly did not work out, though it was an interesting UX idea, so they have changed it for Gravity. The concept, though, is not hard to understand. Once you do, then "anything, anywhere on the top screen" doesn't surprise you.

It's quite 2020.

 

[Bobby]

So, hidden and away never to be seen again is some magical barrier depending upon the button that is pushed?

I understand how to get back to CarPlay, thanks for the help - just wanted to make sure I was not playing outside the "safe area" for critical elements being drawn or needed a service appointment.

In short the CarPlay implementation in Air is MVP at best IMO in a 7" screen, to check a box. And native apps swiped to the bottom screen should STAY THERE unless told to go away. The whole UI is juvenile at best in how it uses the 2 screens. Touch anything, anywhere on the top screen and it wants to reset EVERYTHING.

It's quite 2020.

I’m going to give you a little advice if you want to continue being a member of this forum. Chill with the sarcasm and rudeness. We try to keep this a neighborly place where we can help each other. The points you are making have been discussed numerous times before, and while you are not wrong that some of the software implementations are less than ideal, your attitude is making the hairs on the back of my moderator neck tingle. Try to make your posts more kind and constructive. If you’re unable to do so they will be deleted and you may be banned. This is your first and final warning.

 

[doubletwist]

The fact that Lucid will be offering streaming apps, zoom, teams and fingers crossed on Apple Music etc. natively ...

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

 

[HC_79]

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

 

[LuvLucy]

Generically labelled fake buttons in a marketing screenshot alluding to huge categories of native apps are great - sort of like buying a bridge. I'm not holding my breath for a Lucid App Store, heck even Elon tried that... and no one took the bait. Time will tell.

 

[Cossa]

In particular, this is a safety rule. They do not want CarPlay on a screen that is below eye level.

CarPlay, by default, draws interactive content within a "safe area" on the vehicle's display, ensuring the UI is always visible. This safe area is designed to prevent critical elements from being obscured by the vehicle's trim or other physical features.

That means it could never be on the pilot panel, *if only* because it can be hidden away, never to be seen again.

This is different with CarPlay Ultra, and even regular CarPlay can also draw in a HUD or on the speedometer instrument cluster, but not the pilot panel.

The rest of what @segbrk said is also accurate; the viewport and aspect ratio / size are all defined by Apple, not Lucid; again, this changes with Ultra, if Lucid ever decided to implement it.

Doesn't this screen on the Aston look lower? Hopefully this will allow some leeway for usage of the lower screen for us.

 

[Bobby]

Doesn't this screen on the Aston look lower? Hopefully this will allow some leeway for usage of the lower screen for us.

It's the highest one, though.

 

[LuvLucy]

Yes I believe the current requirement is the highest screen, not precluding "CarPlay on a screen that is below eye level" as was stated, which would be infeasible as it would need to be in the windshield to be at eye level. Even the Air's upper screen is not at eye level.

 

[borski]

Yes I believe the current requirement is the highest screen, not precluding "CarPlay on a screen that is below eye level" as was stated, which would be infeasible as it would need to be in the windshield to be at eye level. Even the Air's upper screen is not at eye level.

Correct. The idea is to get as close to eye level as possible, hence the highest screen.

But yes unless it’s in the HUD it is not technically eye-level

 

[Cossa]

To be clear, CarPlay puts things in your HUD? Because our Ioniq 5 definitely doesn't, and they have the same HUD, I thought.

Yes. I sent you photos via DM of CarPlay maps data in HUD.

 

[borski]

Yes. I sent you photos via DM of CarPlay maps data in HUD.

Yeah I did see that. News to me! Thanks for the pics!