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[Pragmatic]

I wouldn't bring up Tesla repair costs. At least they make repair manual available so an independent shop can handle the repair.

Model X Service Manual | Tesla

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[momo3605]

Someone with a Tesla Model X had rear seats that wouldn't come up and Tesla is charging $4k to have it fixed. If the rear seats in Gravity were powered, I would expect similar or higher cost to repair after warranty expires.

I'm assuming Lucid is keeping the rear seats to be manual release for cost effectiveness and reliability? I actually prefer the seats to be manual for the reliability...

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Those are manual seats too

 

[Bobby]

Someone with a Tesla Model X had rear seats that wouldn't come up and Tesla is charging $4k to have it fixed. If the rear seats in Gravity were powered, I would expect similar or higher cost to repair after warranty expires.

I'm assuming Lucid is keeping the rear seats to be manual release for cost effectiveness and reliability? I actually prefer the seats to be manual for the reliability...

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While I agree that anything manual will be more reliable than something electronic, the car is already filled with thousands of little electronic devices. A couple more would be very welcome in my opinion because the folding and unfolding the third row can become cumbersome, especially when carrying a baby or whatever. My 2016 Explorer has power folding third row seats and it is quite convenient. I have folded and unfolded them thousands of times with no issues.

 

[xponents]

While I agree that anything manual will be more reliable than something electronic, the car is already filled with thousands of little electronic devices. A couple more would be very welcome in my opinion because the folding and unfolding the third row can become cumbersome, especially when carrying a baby or whatever. My 2016 Explorer has power folding third row seats and it is quite convenient. I have folded and unfolded them thousands of times with no issues.

Agree. I’m actually fine with manually releasing second row seats, as they are far more convenient for easy ingress to the third row, but the third row should be power folding, especially with the seemingly complex unfolding mechanism of it (granted, we’ve never had a minivan). Even the third row, however, is more of a want rather than a need, at least to me.

 

[hmp10]

I didn't think to try storing the third-row seats when I saw the Gravity in Miami (if they would even have allowed me to do so), so I don't know how it will work in the Gravity.

Our Honda Odyssey has manual storing of its third row. There are straps hanging down the back of the seats that are kept in place by velcro tabs. All you have to do is give the straps a quick tug, and the seats fold and use gravity to drop into the storage well. Couldn't be easier and can be done with one hand. And bringing the seats back up isn't much more complicated.

The weight and complexity of two motors and associated hardware is avoided, and there's no risk of a failure (which has not always been the case with the Odyssey's sliding rear doors). Manual operation does not have to be cumbersome with a good design, which is not something we yet know about the Gravity in this regard.

 

[hydbob]

I didn't think to try storing the third-row seats when I saw the Gravity in Miami (if they would even have allowed me to do so), so I don't know how it will work in the Gravity.

Our Honda Odyssey has manual storing of its third row. There are straps hanging down the back of the seats that are kept in place by velcro tabs. All you have to do is give the straps a quick tug, and the seats fold and use gravity to drop into the storage well. Couldn't be easier and can be done with one hand. And bringing the seats back up isn't much more complicated.

The weight and complexity of two motors and associated hardware is avoided, and there's no risk of a failure (which has not always been the case with the Odyssey's sliding rear doors). Manual operation does not have to be cumbersome with a good design, which is not something we yet know about the Gravity in this regard.

Agree here, manually folding "magic seats" are better and faster than powered folding. But if you want to really see something that would be welcome, check out the powered 2nd row folding in the new Lexus GX....that is some actual cool shit.

 

[Neurio]

The weight and complexity of two motors and associated hardware is avoided

This is precisely the reason given by Peter when I asked him if the seats would be powered at the unveiling event at the LA Auto Show last year. Extra weight = decreased efficiency.

 

[Gravitas]

Someone with a Tesla Model X had rear seats that wouldn't come up and Tesla is charging $4k to have it fixed. If the rear seats in Gravity were powered, I would expect similar or higher cost to repair after warranty expires.

I'm assuming Lucid is keeping the rear seats to be manual release for cost effectiveness and reliability? I actually prefer the seats to be manual for the reliability...

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Geez, how lazy and easily inconvenienced we've become; 1st world problems

Having powered 3rd-row seats is just asking for problems when motors and other electrical systems fail.
Pacifica, Odyssey and Sienna have perfected 3rd-row packaging, folding and stowing. And it's obvious that Lucid adopted the same design.
I'd also argue that 2nd-row seats shouldn't be powered either for the same reason.

Don't get me started on rear-wheel steering!!! Why? One more expensive thing to break and repair.

 

[hmp10]

Agree here, manually folding "magic seats" are better and faster than powered folding. But if you want to really see something that would be welcome, check out the powered 2nd row folding in the new Lexus GX....that is some actual cool shit.

It's been a while since I paid any attention to Lexus products, but your post caused me to look up the 2024 GX. I was astonished at how plain and "plasticky" the interior looked compared to the Lucid Gravity's rather sumptuous look and feel.

 

[hmp10]

Geez, how lazy and easily inconvenienced we've become; 1st world problems

Having powered 3rd-row seats is just asking for problems when motors and other electrical systems fail.
Pacifica, Odyssey and Sienna have perfected 3rd-row packaging, folding and stowing. And it's obvious that Lucid adopted the same design.
I'd also argue that 2nd-row seats shouldn't be powered either for the same reason.

Don't get me started on rear-wheel steering!!! Why? One more expensive thing to break and repair.

I was hanging in right with you throughout the post until you attacked my longed-for rear-wheel steering. Oh, how could you?!

 

[xponents]

It's been a while since I paid any attention to Lexus products, but your post caused me to look up the 2024 GX. I was astonished at how plain and "plasticky" the interior looked compared to the Lucid Gravity's rather sumptuous look and feel.

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This is precisely the reason we stopped considering the Lexus TX. Without any wood or “contrast materials” (fabric, as masterfully used in the air), the interior in combination with the bland interior colors looks less exciting than some Toyotas I’ve seen. Even Honda, traditionally known for their boring interiors, is improving on this front with things like the honeycomb AC vent pattern or the new Passports gorgeous orange/brown interior.

Lucid does a great job of minimalism without looking barren!

 

[borski]

Don't get me started on rear-wheel steering!!! Why? One more expensive thing to break and repair.

Wouldn’t buy Gravity without it. The turning radius would be far too wide for us.

 

[hmp10]

Wouldn’t buy Gravity without it. The turning radius would be far too wide for us.

Turning radius is not a consideration for us, but I just couldn't shake the video images of that Gravity with RWS running the slalom course. It would have been impressive in any sports sedan. For an SUV it was A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.

I, too, would have held off on a Gravity order if production didn't start with at least the hardware for rear-wheel steering, even were the software to come a bit later.

 

[borski]

Turning radius is not a consideration for us, but I just couldn't shake the video images of that Gravity with RWS running the slalom course. It would have been impressive in any sports sedan. For an SUV it was A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.

I, too, would have held off on a Gravity order if production didn't start with at least the hardware for rear-wheel steering, even were the software to come a bit later.

Yeah. Being in that car was what sold me on the Gravity.

An SUV shouldn’t be allowed to move like that.

 

[hmp10]

Yeah. Being in that car was what sold me on the Gravity.

An SUV shouldn’t be allowed to move like that.

Just curious. How many passengers was it carrying during that run?

 

[xponents]

Yeah. Being in that car was what sold me on the Gravity.

An SUV shouldn’t be allowed to move like that.

Have you ever been in a "traditional" Sport SUV? For example, the BMW X5 M, or other similar cars? How did it compare?

 

[DeaneG]

...Don't get me started on rear-wheel steering!!! Why? One more expensive thing to break and repair.

Handling improvement aside, rear wheel steering makes a large car much easier to deal with in a tight parking lot. I would never consider the Gravity if it was lacking RWS.

 

[WildRide47]

I was hanging in right with you throughout the post until you attacked my longed-for rear-wheel steering. Oh, how could you?!

I think you are outnumbered here on this forum Gravitas. I had RWS on my Porsche Panamera Turbo(199 inches long-4 inches longer than my Air) and it was amazing how it made it handle like a smaller car, especially in tight parking spaces. Had the car for 5 years, never had any problem with repairs. Would not consider getting any car in the future without it.

 

[Adnillien]

Handling improvement aside, rear wheel steering makes a large car much easier to deal with in a tight parking lot. I would never consider the Gravity if it was lacking RWS.

The turning radius of Gravity with rear wheel steering is 39ft, same as my Grand Cherokee. I would not be happy with a larger turning radius. Like the Air, Gravity moves the front and rear wheels further apart than a conventional ICE car. The longer wheel base makes the car harder to maneuver without RWS.

 

[DeaneG]

The turning radius of Gravity with rear wheel steering is 39ft, same as my Grand Cherokee...

I'm hoping Gravity's RWS will be enough to help tuck the rear wheels in line in a tight parking space when there isn't much room available to turn in. Really don't like to take two attempts to get the car centered in the space in a busy parking lot. The Gravity is about a foot longer than I'd like, and RWS helps to mitigate that.