Buying a Used Dream Edition Performance in 2024

[A Fischman]

What shampoo do you use? Mine needs some love.

Mine too.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

What shampoo do you use? Mine needs some love.

I've been triggered: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1343-hold-cream-rinse#Car Talk: cream rinse or no?

go to site and click on "BEST MOMENT"


Raymond takes on the challenge, whilst his brother Tom is dissolved into a puddle of laughter. It seemed funnier at 5am on the way to the ski mountains, but I can't hear "shampoo" or "cream rinse" without thinking of Click and Clack the tappet brothers (MIT grads).

Oh and yes I am reading this tread because I am shopping for a Dream Edition now that they are available.

 

[blaferty]

There is a '24 Sapphire for sale online at 399K reduced from 449K!!

Also a '23 GT-P at 99.8K. Is this overpriced?

 

[Rogue]

There is a '24 Sapphire for sale online at 399K reduced from 449K!!

Also a '23 GT-P at 99.8K. Is this overpriced?

100k for a GT-P is a good price in my opinion. They are limited edition essentially. I would not sell mine for less than 100k.

 

[borski]

100k for a GT-P is a good price in my opinion. They are limited edition essentially. I would not sell mine for less than 100k.

Same as the DE-P. They basically created a bunch more DE-Ps, and then made them “exclusive” by getting rid of the trim.

Very similar.

 

[Pragmatic]

Two of the major on-line sales sites have DE-P running from $79.5 to $125. GTP run from $76 to $109.

 

[Rogue]

Two of the major on-line sales sites have DE-P running from $79.5 to $125. GTP run from $76 to $109.

As a salesman once told me, what you have to sell is only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. Supply of used GT-P and DE-P are limited, and I have not seen many on the market recently.

Take that with a grain of salt as I do not look often, but I only found one GT-P the last time I looked.

 

[Pragmatic]

I see 5 now. For example (no affiliation and no knowledge, just an example)

Autotrader - page unavailable

 

[Rogue]

I see 5 now. For example (no affiliation and no knowledge, just an example)

Autotrader - page unavailable

Those are not the performance models though. I think that is where the "skew" in price comes from. They don't even offer a way to filter for GT-P models only.

That's important to note for folks looking for these used GT-Ps and DE-Ps. Sites will often not distinguish between performance and non-performance models for filtering and pricing ranges. You will have to dig through GT and DE filtered cars to validate if its the performance model.

 

[Pragmatic]

The title does not indicate a GTP bit the VIN (50EA1GDA8NA002136) does. No says car dealers are smart. The GD in the VIN indicates this is the higher horsepower GT.

 

[scal_air]

I've been triggered: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1343-hold-cream-rinse#Car Talk: cream rinse or no?

go to site and click on "BEST MOMENT"


Raymond takes on the challenge, whilst his brother Tom is dissolved into a puddle of laughter. It seemed funnier at 5am on the way to the ski mountains, but I can't hear "shampoo" or "cream rinse" without thinking of Click and Clack the tappet brothers (MIT grads).

Oh and yes I am reading this tread because I am shopping for a Dream Edition now that they are available.

Man I miss Car Talk. RIP Tom Magliozzi

 

[blaferty]

There are two DE-P for sale on this forum. Both priced at 79K.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

I was too late to get on the early-adopters list for a Dream Edition. Now that they are coming off lease I've been stalking them. Here's the problem:

How do I tell if it's the Performance version or the Range version?

On the re-seller markets I see resellers might be wise to this: every Dream Edition is the "Performance" version, but the ones that don't sell are just advertised as such, thou running the VIN number show that they are not. I see that the photos are careful not to show this:

The Range version has reduced power in Swift and Sprint. Just because the reseller advertises "performance" doesn't make it so. So, how does one know if the reseller avoids a photo showing the above ? Distinguishing the "P" from the "R" is very difficult in photos.

Range Edition = crippled Performance

 

[borski]

I was too late to get on the early-adopters list for a Dream Edition. Now that they are coming off lease I've been stalking them. Here's the problem:

How do I tell if it's the Performance version or the Range version?

On the re-seller markets I see resellers might be wise to this: every Dream Edition is the "Performance" version, but the ones that don't sell are just advertised as such, thou running the VIN number show that they are not. I see that the photos are careful not to show this:
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The Range version has reduced power in Swift and Sprint. Just because the reseller advertises "performance" doesn't make it so. So, how does one know if the reseller avoids a photo showing the above ? Distinguishing the "P" from the "R" is very difficult in photos.

Range Edition = crippled Performance

There were very few Range editions sold, though not zero. The way you distinguish is the HP number.

Also, for what it’s worth, not a single Dream Edition was ever leased. Leasing a Lucid was not an option when the Dream Edition was sold.

The only exception might be the KSA Dream Editions (and I don’t know if that’s true), but those would not be legal here anyway.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I know it's not a foolproof way of identifying, and people swap wheels all the time, but the GT-P had different 21" wheels than the regular GT.

This one:

Autotrader - page unavailable

appears to be a GT-P based on the VIN, and has the GT-P wheels. It's also (a) an incredible deal, and (b) for sale at the same dealer I bought my first GT from.

 

[scal_air]

I know it's not a foolproof way of identifying, and people swap wheels all the time, but the GT-P had different 21" wheels than the regular GT.

This one:

Autotrader - page unavailable

appears to be a GT-P based on the VIN, and has the GT-P wheels. It's also (a) an incredible deal, and (b) for sale at the same dealer I bought my first GT from.

Aw crud, it's in New Jersey...
@xponents - maybe you can drop a few hints about an early graduation present?

 

[blaferty]

There is a '24 Sapphire for sale online at 399K reduced from 449K!!

Also a '23 GT-P at 99.8K. Is this overpriced?

'24 Sapphire for sale online is now reduced to 299,973!
What does used Sapphire sell for?

 

[hmp10]

The Range version has reduced power in Swift and Sprint. Just because the reseller advertises "performance" doesn't make it so. So, how does one know if the reseller avoids a photo showing the above ? Distinguishing the "P" from the "R" is very difficult in photos.

Range Edition = crippled Performance

When the Dream Edition was first announced only one version was planned. Its powertrain had two key things distinguishing it from the Grand Touring: a 118-kWh battery pack with Samsung cells vs. a 112-kWh battery pack with LG Chem cells, and a rear motor using exotic metallurgy that produced more horsepower and torque. Shortly before customer deliveries began, Lucid suddenly announced that the Dream Edition would be bifurcated into a Performance version (1,111 hp) and a Range version (933 hp) -- both at the same $169,000 price. This arose from a last-minute decision by Rawlinson to use the more powerful motor at both ends of a performance version car instead of just the rear.

The Dream Edition was planned from the get-go as a limited-edition engineering study of sorts to see just how much performance could be wrung out of the dual-motor platform Lucid was developing if cost were less of an constraint. The last minute decision was thought by some to be Rawlinson's succumbing to his "car guy" impulses to leave no performance on the table even at the expense of a small bit of the range was professed to be Lucid's primary goal.

In the event, about 90% of the Dream customers opted for the Performance version, suggesting that Rawlinson was reading his Dream customers right.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Exactly!!

 

[borski]

When the Dream Edition was first announced only one version was planned. Its powertrain had two key things distinguishing it from the Grand Touring: a 118-kWh battery pack with Samsung cells vs. a 112-kWh battery pack with LG Chem cells, and a rear motor using exotic metallurgy that produced more horsepower and torque. Shortly before customer deliveries began, Lucid suddenly announced that the Dream Edition would be bifurcated into a Performance version (1,111 hp) and a Range version (933 hp) -- both at the same $169,000 price. This arose from a last-minute decision by Rawlinson to use the more powerful motor at both ends of a performance version car instead of just the rear.

The Dream Edition was planned from the get-go as a limited-edition engineering study of sorts to see just how much performance could be wrung out of the dual-motor platform Lucid was developing if cost were less of an constraint. The last minute decision was thought by some to be Rawlinson's succumbing to his "car guy" impulses to leave no performance on the table even at the expense of a small bit of the range was professed to be Lucid's primary goal.

In the event, about 90% of the Dream customers opted for the Performance version, suggesting that Rawlinson was reading his Dream customers right.

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