Battery Sizes - New information for Pure AWD / RWD

[C28]

I just spoke with Lucid while tweaking my order and they mentioned they just have updated battery specs for the various models, see below. I questioned the number of modules and kW for the RWD Pure; they checked again and said below is what it says. The 16 modules I had never heard of, but perhaps Lucid removes the two stacked modules underneath the rear seats, that plus the 'foot garage' equals 16 modules.

Pure RWD 65kW 16 modules
Pure AWD (dual motor) 82kW 16 modules
Touring 92kW 18modules
Grand Touring: 113kW 22 modules
Grand Touring Performance: 118kW 22 modules

I cannot see how the Pure RWD kW makes sense, a lighter car the Tesla Model 3 AWD its 358 miles on a 75-80kW pack. I suspect the data is wrong, but I asked multiple times. Maybe the Pure 406 mile range is only for AWD, and pure RWD is a lower range that has not yet been published.

 

[joec]

Interesting. I can’t see them reducing the range number on the RWD Pure at this point. They’ve published 406 for quite a while now, while only showing RWD in the design page.

Unless the single motor and lower HP somehow makes up for the range…

 

[LCIDdreams]

Interesting. I can’t see them reducing the range number on the RWD Pure at this point. They’ve published 406 for quite a while now, while only showing RWD in the design page.

Unless the single motor and lower HP somehow makes up for the range…

That would be 6.2mi/kWh though. That is off the charts good. I wouldn’t complain if that’s what I get but don’t see it being possible. Maybe it was 75kwh rather than 65kwh.

 

[noobzilla]

Something doesnt quite add up. For $5000 extra to get AWD we'd get 17kW of battery too?

 

[MikeTz]

Both the RWD Pure and the AWD Pure show the same number of battery modules but the have different kWh ratings. Unless it is software reduced for some crazy reason. I average 3.3m/kWh on the DEP. A 65 kWh battery with similar m/kWh numbers will travel less than 220 miles today and a less than 170 miles a few years down the road. It's a none starter for me.

 

[C28]

The Dream edition and Grand Touring (non performance) supposedly have the same number of modules (22), but a 5kWh difference in rating.. Just pointing out this would make it seem modules kWh density is not always the same.

 

[noobzilla]

Both the RWD Pure and the AWD Pure show the same number of battery modules but the have different kWh ratings. Unless it is software reduced for some crazy reason. I average 3.3m/kWh on the DEP. A 65 kWh battery with similar m/kWh numbers will travel less than 220 miles today and a less than 170 miles a few years down the road. It's a none starter for me.

A RWD with much less HP will have way more than 3.3mi/kWh. They estimated GT and Dream Range with 4.4mi/kWh I believe. 92kWh * 4.4mi/kWh = 400mi which matches the advertised range for Touring. Maybe 82kWh for the Pure with 4.8mi/kWh RWD?

 

[DaveyBoyGT]

The Dream edition and Grand Touring (non performance) supposedly have the same number of modules (22), but a 5kWh difference in rating.. Just pointing out this would make it seem modules kWh density is not always the same.

It isn't the same. The Dream Edition uses Samsung battery cells which have a higher energy density than the LGChem battery cells used in the GT version (and likely more expensive). With the same number of modules the Dream gets 6 kwh greater capacity. Because the GT Performance has a capacity of 118kwh, same as the Dream, they are probably using the Samsung cells as well. I find this interesting because I thought the Samsung cells were only going to be used for the Dream version. Lucid must have got a new deal from Samsung to provide cells for the GT Performance.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I just spoke with Lucid while tweaking my order and they mentioned they just have updated battery specs for the various models, see below. I questioned the number of modules and kW for the RWD Pure; they checked again and said below is what it says. The 16 modules I had never heard of, but perhaps Lucid removes the two stacked modules underneath the rear seats, that plus the 'foot garage' equals 16 modules.

Pure RWD 65kW 16 modules
Pure AWD (dual motor) 82kW 16 modules
Touring 92kW 18modules
Grand Touring: 113kW 22 modules
Grand Touring Performance: 118kW 22 modules

I cannot see how the Pure RWD kW makes sense, a lighter car the Tesla Model 3 AWD its 358 miles on a 75-80kW pack. I suspect the data is wrong, but I asked multiple times. Maybe the Pure 406 mile range is only for AWD, and pure RWD is a lower range that has not yet been published.

I don't believe there is any way that a 65 kWh battery pack will cover 400 miles. If they are really going down to that, I will be moving to another company's product.

Lucid has lived on its range; if they cut back on that, I don't see a future for the company.

 

[scubastevo80]

I don't believe there is any way that a 65 kWh battery pack will cover 400 miles. If they are really going down to that, I will be moving to another company's product.

Lucid has lived on its range; if they cut back on that, I don't see a future for the company.

Agree - zero chance they can do 400 on a 65kW battery. Battery is likely to be 90kW plus to be able to achieve 400mi and have a bit of buffer built in.

 

[noobzilla]

Will be massive disappointment if base Pure would be less than high 300's. Should at least be 375mi EPA.

 

[AIR.LUCID]

Peter has said 18 modules for the Touting & Pure variants in a tech talk.

 

[HariK]

Agree - zero chance they can do 400 on a 65kW battery. Battery is likely to be 90kW plus to be able to achieve 400mi and have a bit of buffer built in.

I absolutely agree. No way the range for RWD pure will be less than 406 they advertise so much. If you look at other EVs, the miles per KWh is actually better with smaller battery size to some extent because the weight of the battery is less. Assuming AWD 406 miles Touring uses 92KWh battery with 462KW motor, I think RWD Pure needs at least 88KWh with 358KW motor for the same 406 mile range as AWD. I created a spreadsheet with whatever numbers available from public sources for a sanity check.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I absolutely agree. No way the range for RWD pure will be less than 406 they advertise so much. If you look at other EVs, the miles per KWh is actually better with smaller battery size to some extent because the weight of the battery is less. Assuming AWD 406 miles Touring uses 92KWh battery with 462KW motor, I think RWD Pure needs at least 88KWh with 358KW motor for the same 406 mile range as AWD. I created a spreadsheet with whatever numbers available from public sources for a sanity check.

When I did my test drive in the AT, my rep told me that the Pure would be 400 pounds less. I don't know if he knew or was estimating.

 

[HariK]

When I did my test drive in the AT, my rep told me that the Pure would be 400 pounds less. I don't know if he knew or was estimating.

Sounds reasonable. Lighter weight battery and motor too with RWD. 400 lb would be almost 8% less weight. I am not sure that Pure AWD would weigh less than Touring AWD and therefore would need the same size battery and motor. Unless of course they have smaller motors in Pure AWD compared to T AWD to have the same range with a smaller battery. I am just guessing for now that T AWD and P AWD have the same size battery and motors.

 

[AIR.LUCID]

I absolutely agree. No way the range for RWD pure will be less than 406 they advertise so much. If you look at other EVs, the miles per KWh is actually better with smaller battery size to some extent because the weight of the battery is less. Assuming AWD 406 miles Touring uses 92KWh battery with 462KW motor, I think RWD Pure needs at least 88KWh with 358KW motor for the same 406 mile range as AWD. I created a spreadsheet with whatever numbers available from public sources for a sanity check.

Do you have numbers for the GTP? And I thought only DER had 520 mile range.
Does the RWD Pure use Samsung batteries too?

 

[HariK]

Do you have numbers for the GTP? And I thought only DER had 520 mile range.
Does the RWD Pure use Samsung batteries too?

No. Just a place holder from a wiki page. No idea how the wiki page was created

 

[srikanth346]

i see the below on my lucid air reserveation when it comes to look. does any one has idea what this means...

Color Zenith Red $800
Look Platinum Included---does this mean air pure also metal paltinum roof...??

 

[AIR.LUCID]

It is the front and inside trim.

And I think a few more places on the rear.

 

[xponents]

Interesting. I can’t see them reducing the range number on the RWD Pure at this point. They’ve published 406 for quite a while now, while only showing RWD in the design page.

Unless the single motor and lower HP somehow makes up for the range…

Hm, range did turn out to be 406. Battery size also makes sense, meaning that could be the reason rwd pure is less range. Imagine the range if it had the full 82 or even 92 kwh. I had no idea they were different until now.