Battery/charging

[Bubbie]

Has Lucid given a definitive response to using an adaptor with a Tesla home charger? Amazed how much the battery drains while car idles. GT only 8 days old & wondering what’s causing it. Electrify America charging station off the Atlantic City Expressway seems slow. Any advice?

 

[Bobby]

Are you waking it up with the app? Is the fob or phone key close to the car? Vampire drain has been minimal lately. What software version?

 

[Bubbie]

Lucid orientation was less than stellar. Embarrassed to say I didn’t know about the app draining the battery. Any advice? How far does the car need to be from fob & phone? Thx

 

[Bubbie]

Believe newest updates were made in last few days.

 

[Bobby]

Lucid orientation was less than stellar. Embarrassed to say I didn’t know about the app draining the battery. Any advice? How far does the car need to be from fob & phone? Thx

Far enough, in my case maybe 20ft. If where you store the key or phone is very close to the car, it will wake it up. Every time you use the app, it wakes it up. This uses battery.

 

[Mark_in_MA]

@Bobby... What are you getting for Phantom drain when you're not using the car? I took delivery of my Touring a couple of weeks ago and it's running 2.0.47. Left it at the Lucid dealer overnight for some some scratches found in delivery to be taken care of. The dealer charged it to 80% that day and then spent overnight outside. Presumably with the keys no where close to the car. Checked it at about midnight (38 degrees exterior) and then 6 am (26 degrees exterior) from the app. The car lost 18 miles of range. I know cold affects the batteries and they drain quicker. Just trying to get an idea on whether this is a normal experience others are observing. Usually I leave it in my garage on the charger overnight. I'm going to have to spend some time gathering some data to see if I'm losing 20+ miles a day.

 

[Adnillien]

@Bobby... What are you getting for Phantom drain when you're not using the car? I took delivery of my Touring a couple of weeks ago and it's running 2.0.47. Left it at the Lucid dealer overnight for some some scratches found in delivery to be taken care of. The dealer charged it to 80% that day and then spent overnight outside. Checked it at about midnight (38 degrees exterior) and then 6 am (26 degrees exterior) from the app. The car lost 18 miles of range. I know cold affects the batteries and they drain quicker. Just trying to get an idea on whether this is a normal experience others are observing. Usually I leave it in my garage on the charger overnight. I'm going to have to spend some time gathering some data to see if I'm losing 20+ miles a day.

I think what you are seeing is mostly the temperature change in the battery. Most people seem to lose 1-2 miles per day in phantom drain.

 

[EVCar]

I lose 1-2% SoC per day. Some days, even 3%.

 

[Bobby]

@Bobby... What are you getting for Phantom drain when you're not using the car? I took delivery of my Touring a couple of weeks ago and it's running 2.0.47. Left it at the Lucid dealer overnight for some some scratches found in delivery to be taken care of. The dealer charged it to 80% that day and then spent overnight outside. Presumably with the keys no where close to the car. Checked it at about midnight (38 degrees exterior) and then 6 am (26 degrees exterior) from the app. The car lost 18 miles of range. I know cold affects the batteries and they drain quicker. Just trying to get an idea on whether this is a normal experience others are observing. Usually I leave it in my garage on the charger overnight. I'm going to have to spend some time gathering some data to see if I'm losing 20+ miles a day.

Every time you check it, it uses battery. Let it sleep!

 

[Mark_in_MA]

Thank you everyone. I was thinking a couple/few miles a day was the average people were loosing. I'm going to have the service advisor take a look at it. I'll also not check the app and just start paying attention to the numbers everytime I exit and enter the car.

 

[Bobby]

Thank you everyone. I was thinking a couple/few miles a day was the average people were loosing. I'm going to have the service advisor take a look at it. I'll also not check the app and just start paying attention to the numbers everytime I exit and enter the car.

Every EV has a slight bit of battery drain while it sleeps. This is also true of ICE cars... I have a battery tender on one of my cars that I don't drive very often. Your Lucid will do what it takes to protect its battery by keeping it warm or cool. It will turn it off on whenever you check the app.

 

[Lucken]

I lose 1-2% SoC per day. Some days, even 3%.

Losing 1-3% SOC is a lot, that’s not like 1-3 miles. The only EV I’ve owned that was close was my MS. Some days it would lose none and the next day it would lose 3%. The theory was that the periodic communication with the mother ship was responsible for the high drain. Another theory was that periodic cell balancing was responsible. Either way it was wasteful and inefficient.

Yet my I-Pace, e-Tron and current i4 all behave similarly, losing almost nothing sitting in the garage.

 

[Bobby]

Losing 1-3% SOC is a lot, that’s not like 1-3 miles. The only EV I’ve owned that was close was my MS. Some days it would lose none and the next day it would lose 3%. The theory was that the periodic communication with the mother ship was responsible for the high drain. Another theory was that periodic cell balancing was responsible. Either way it was wasteful and inefficient.

Yet my I-Pace, e-Tron and current i4 all behave similarly, losing almost nothing sitting in the garage.

I have an I Pace. It sat at the dealer for 7 weeks waiting for a part (new front drive motor). They never plugged it in, and it lost about 5% over that time. The Lucid definitely loses more, on the order of 0.5% daily for me (I think). Others on the forum have monitored this more closely. Perhaps they can add to this thread.

 

[joec]

I recently had my Touring at the detailer for a week. It lost about 10% the first two days (presumably because they were working on it a lot those two days) and then as it sat to cure without being touched (not plugged in) it lost 0% the rest of the week. I didn't wake it up to check in the interim. I do have the iOS widget on my home screen, which allows me to see current state of charge. Not sure how often that updates / wakes up the car. But the lack of drain in those latter days suggest to me it's less energy disruptive than opening the app and doing a full car wakeup.

Also, I'm going to repeat my previous advice about just switching to percent, rather than miles. Miles are largely inaccurate, anyway. And percentage is just so less stressful.

 

[Lucken]

I have an I Pace. It sat at the dealer for 7 weeks waiting for a part (new front drive motor). They never plugged it in, and it lost about 5% over that time. The Lucid definitely loses more, on the order of 0.5% daily for me (I think). Others on the forum have monitored this more closely. Perhaps they can add to this thread.

5% over 5 weeks for the I-Pace certainly isn’t bad at all. That’s less than 1% per week. The daily loss is, like I observed with mine, negligible.

Why Lucid & Teslas lose more is something I don’t understand, other than the theories that were floated around when I owned my MS.

In your case, if you had 400 miles remaining on your SOC, that .5% daily loss translates to a potential loss of 2 miles a day. That’s tolerable.

 

[EVCar]

Losing 1-3% SOC is a lot, that’s not like 1-3 miles. The only EV I’ve owned that was close was my MS. Some days it would lose none and the next day it would lose 3%. The theory was that the periodic communication with the mother ship was responsible for the high drain. Another theory was that periodic cell balancing was responsible. Either way it was wasteful and inefficient.

Yet my I-Pace, e-Tron and current i4 all behave similarly, losing almost nothing sitting in the garage.

Yes, 1-2% SoC is a lot, but I've not had the car long so I only have a few data points.

 

[hydbob]

5% over 5 weeks for the I-Pace certainly isn’t bad at all. That’s less than 1% per week. The daily loss is, like I observed with mine, negligible.

Why Lucid & Teslas lose more is something I don’t understand, other than the theories that were floated around when I owned my MS.

In your case, if you had 400 miles remaining on your SOC, that .5% daily loss translates to a potential loss of 2 miles a day. That’s tolerable.

Was Jag collecting as much data as Lucid or Tesla?

 

[Lucken]

Was Jag collecting as much data as Lucid or Tesla?

Between the Tesla, Jag, e-Tron or i4, I couldn’t begin to tell you which car was reporting what or how much information. Anyone stating otherwise is simply conjecturing.

 

[hydbob]

Between the Tesla, Jag, e-Tron or i4, I couldn’t begin to tell you which car was reporting what or how much information. Anyone stating otherwise is simply conjecturing.

Yea but my point being we know Tesla and Lucid upload A LOT of data to the mothers hip which could explain why they both have more drain than the Jag

 

[Lucken]

Yea but my point being we know Tesla and Lucid upload A LOT of data to the mothers hip which could explain why they both have more drain than the Jag

Bob, it could, but honestly we would need 4 datapoints from all 4 cars to even begin to make the correlation between data upload and phantom drain. There could be, and probably is, a myriad of other factors that are involved. I’ve seen this conjecture going on for over 5 years with no definitive evidence.

I do know my Tesla was my only EV where I could walk into my garage and hear the cooling fans roaring hours after I parked. I’m quite sure that sucked quite a bit of power from the battery. So I can only suspect phantom drain is caused by a variety of factors, including battery management as just one.

BMW touts excellent battery management as one of their engineering features. Does that account for its extremely low phantom drain? Maybe, or maybe it’s just one of a variety of factors. I saw very little phantom drain on my e-tron too. That was a good thing given its pathetic range.

It‘s a fascinating topic and I suspect the manufacturers know a lot more than we do and aren’t willing to feed us that information.