A Step in the right direction for Lucid Repairability!

[Takeshi]

Lucid is willing to turn off service mode on both Rich's Lucid Air's if he can get then running to Lucid! This is a major step for repairability in the right direction.

 

[knewman]

I guess it's nice that Lucid is being responsive, but I think it's optimistic to call this any kind of directional step. Manufacturers must be required to allow owners to interface with the software without needing to involve them. These one-off cases don't scale.

 

[merveille07]

I guess it's nice that Lucid is being responsive, but I think it's optimistic to call this any kind of directional step. Manufacturers must be required to allow owners to interface with the software without needing to involve them. These one-off cases don't scale.

I think this is short sighted. Did you think about all the liability issues? Yes, manufactures should allow repair for physical components but let user interface with software, not so fast.

 

[Rhinoww]

Hmmmm. Maybe it’s time to start looking at the auctions for a parts car

Was thinking about getting some 19 inch wheels for winter driving …. Might get a bit more w the wheels.

 

[bcjenkins]

Independent of legal and safety considerations, I was rooting for the possibility that both cars could be revived.

Oddly, it made me feel better about my order.

 

[knewman]

I think this is short sighted. Did you think about all the liability issues? Yes, manufactures should allow repair for physical components but let user interface with software, not so fast.

Liability issues are a straw argument used by manufacturers and lobbyists trying to protect monopolistic revenue streams. You have the same set of liability from selling physical components and service manuals that you do from allowing access to vehicle software. It's just as easy for someone to destroy their vehicle from screwing up the braking system as it is writing invalid software parameters. The only difference being that regulation hasn't caught up with the digital domain yet.

 

[merveille07]

Liability issues are a straw argument used by manufacturers and lobbyists trying to protect monopolistic revenue streams. You have the same set of liability from selling physical components and service manuals that you do from allowing access to vehicle software. It's just as easy for someone to destroy their vehicle from screwing up the braking system as it is writing invalid software parameters. The only difference being that regulation hasn't caught up with the digital domain yet.

This just proved my point. It's interesting you think of hardware and software in the same way. Anyway, you're entitled to an opinion.

 

[Andrew@CCRC]

As someone who has invested in the training and tooling from Lucid to safely repair these vehicles, watching him fumble through trying to fix the car with zero reference to the service manual is incredibly cavalier, and clickbait at best. No proper PPE, no high voltage lockout, nothing.

I can't wait for the fad of buying Copart/IAA cars for "$4000" and then do a bunch of half ass repairs to try and pass them off as perfectly fine and safe to disappear.

 

[knewman]

This just proved my point. It's interesting you think of hardware and software in the same way. Anyway, you're entitled to an opinion.

How is software and hardware different in the context of a car that I've purchased? They're both components required for my car to function. I interact with one using a wrench and one with a keyboard, but both can be fully understood and repaired given the opportunity.

If these companies had the ability to mask and obfuscate the physical components like they can with the logical components they absolutely would, for no valid reason.

 

[knightsbore]

As someone who has invested in the training and tooling from Lucid to safely repair these vehicles, watching him fumble through trying to fix the car with zero reference to the service manual is incredibly cavalier, and clickbait at best. No proper PPE, no high voltage lockout, nothing.

I can't wait for the fad of buying Copart/IAA cars for "$4000" and then do a bunch of half ass repairs to try and pass them off as perfectly fine and safe to disappear.

I mean when there are no available service guides, no ability to buy replacement parts, no ability to pull codes from anything, and as of now are have no service center listed on the app in my state. Supposedly it seems like its still there but removed from the app so you have to play phone tag with corporate.... and even then no appointments until next year at the earliest and the next closest location is nearly 1000 miles away in Arizona. Heck even before the gravity launch the wait time was 3-4 months even for a mobile tech and its been just like two (amazing and wonderful and deserve so much praise and support for not just walking away, and a massive raise) techs having to handle the entire state plus probably any in nearby states. The only way large swaths of the country (that still has sales locations of course) can can even get their vehicle fixed is to DIY and reverse engineer it, which is hacky at best and voids any and every warranty.

Of course if you need anything to do with any of the electronics its all vin locked supposedly and there is no way to get that fixed so you will be completely screwed if you cant get a service appointment or there isn't one anymore. Hell there isn't even a mapping of what the fuses are in the fuse boxes or even where they are located and the only way to find them is by relying on the Dream Edition Owners manual which doesn't completely match later vehicles.

 

[Andrew@CCRC]

I mean when there are no available service guides, no ability to buy replacement parts, no ability to pull codes from anything, and as of now are have no service center listed on the app in my state. Supposedly it seems like its still there but removed from the app so you have to play phone tag with corporate.... and even then no appointments until next year at the earliest and the next closest location is nearly 1000 miles away in Arizona. Heck even before the gravity launch the wait time was 3-4 months even for a mobile tech and its been just like two (amazing and wonderful and deserve so much praise and support for not just walking away, and a massive raise) techs having to handle the entire state plus probably any in nearby states. The only way large swaths of the country (that still has sales locations of course) can can even get their vehicle fixed is to DIY and reverse engineer it, which is hacky at best and voids any and every warranty.

Of course if you need anything to do with any of the electronics its all vin locked supposedly and there is no way to get that fixed so you will be completely screwed if you cant get a service appointment or there isn't one anymore. Hell there isn't even a mapping of what the fuses are in the fuse boxes or even where they are located and the only way to find them is by relying on the Dream Edition Owners manual which doesn't completely match later vehicles.

Service manual access, tool lists, etc are all available here: https://www.oem1stop.com/content/lucid

 

[socktucker]

As someone who has invested in the training and tooling from Lucid to safely repair these vehicles, watching him fumble through trying to fix the car with zero reference to the service manual is incredibly cavalier, and clickbait at best. No proper PPE, no high voltage lockout, nothing.

I can't wait for the fad of buying Copart/IAA cars for "$4000" and then do a bunch of half ass repairs to try and pass them off as perfectly fine and safe to disappear.

People try and defend it saying "there's ways you could die from working on gas cars too". While that's true, its not the immediate 800 volt death you're going to get if you work on an EV wrong. I think it would be insane for any EV manufacturer to let CoPart Cowboys flip these things.

 

[knightsbore]

Service manual access, tool lists, etc are all available here: https://www.oem1stop.com/content/lucid

Unfortunately looks like its walled off unless you are an Approved Body Repair Program member which requires some rather heavy (for just a vehicle owner) requirements to gain access.

From the Position Statements:

Required Equipment:
A laptop with Lucid Diagnostic System (LDS) software is required. The laptop needs a valid Lucid
Software Security System Certificate to be able to connect to the vehicle.
LDS Availability:
The LDS software license is only available to Lucid Approved Body Repair Centers.

But actually thank you for sharing this site, its really actually incredibly interesting and useful!

As an aside: cmon mazda you gotta pick up your game! I havent seen an error message this cringeworthy in ages!

And Volvo good on you!

 

[Northpointe]

As someone who has invested in the training and tooling from Lucid to safely repair these vehicles, watching him fumble through trying to fix the car with zero reference to the service manual is incredibly cavalier, and clickbait at best. No proper PPE, no high voltage lockout, nothing.

I can't wait for the fad of buying Copart/IAA cars for "$4000" and then do a bunch of half ass repairs to try and pass them off as perfectly fine and safe to disappear.

I had an opportunity to speak with my service advisor on an issue with another EV (non-Lucid) that I owned. She described the process that the technician had to go through to safely de-energize the HV battery and safely cordon off the work area so no one could enter it. She also described the PPE deployed; electrically rated clothing, gloves, and footwear. While other techs could work on the car only one was fully certified to take it out of service. It’s managed in the same way you’d handle electrical service in an industrial plant.

Without wading into the “right to repair” debate I’ll simply offer that there’s a reason electrician’s are required to have a license.