400kW Gravity Charging!

[DrZorro]

Looks like the Gravity will truly be a charging monster... Looking forward to seeing the entire charging curve!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907856490926584002

 

[LuvLucy]

what a minute!

 

[msaunders9430]

@hydbob can a "Charging" sub-forum be set up for the Gravity, similar to the sub-forum that this post is in?
As more information about charging and the Gravity, especially after the OoS video, there may be more posts coming.

I have a Gravity on order, so I tend to look in the Gravity section of the forum more than the Air section.
I just happen to see this post in the "Latest Posts" section.

Just a suggestion.
I know you and the moderators (@borski and @Adnillien) are busy keeping this ship moving in the right direction.

 

[LuvLucy]

what a minute!

That's what she said (sorry that's for you Kyle - couldn't resist)

 

[Wilber]

Tom M released his charging video this morning. Very interesting

 

[98point1]

Tom M released his charging video this morning. Very interesting

Still watching but a bit of interesting info in that it looks like all vehicles going to NACS are under a requirement to go native by 2027. For me anyway, that is new to know what time line they are building.

 

[hmp10]

I have a question. I was checking the Supercharger locations on the Tesla website, and I found this filter:

If you check "Tesla" for vehicle type, you get considerably more Superchargers identified than if you check "NACS Partner" or "Other EV". Why is that? Will the Gravity not be able to use any Tesla Supercharger?

For instance, if you check "Tesla" for NYC and Long Island, you get this:

But if you check "NACS Partner", you get this with far fewer charging locations tagged::

 

[Wilber]

I have a question. I was checking the Supercharger locations on the Tesla website, and I found this filter:

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If you check "Tesla" for vehicle type, you get considerably more Superchargers identified than if you check "NACS Partner" or "Other EV". Why is that? Will the Gravity not be able to use any Tesla Supercharger?

For instance, if you check "Tesla" for NYC and Long Island, you get this:

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But if you check "NACS Partner", you get this with far fewer charging locations tagged::


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I have not been following this issue the last year or so, so my info may be a little out of date. BUT, when Tesla first announced the network would be available for non--Teslas , such charging would only work on NEWER chargers. V3 and up I think. so, the chargers where Teslas can charge and other brand cant should just be the older installations.

 

[Adnillien]

The Tesla V2 chargers (older) are not Plug and Charge compliant and will not work with the NACS partner cars. The electronic handshake between the car and the charger meets the ISO standard for V3 and V4 chargers but not V2. The older stations are unique to Tesla so those stations are not compatible with any other cars.

 

[hmp10]

The Tesla V2 chargers (older) are not Plug and Charge compliant and will not work with the NACS partner cars. The electronic handshake between the car and the charger meets the ISO standard for V3 and V4 chargers but not V2. The older stations are unique to Tesla so those stations are not compatible with any other cars.

Bummer, but thanks. I did not realize that would remain the case with native NACS ports as opposed to using adapters.

I assume that when you use the Gravity's route planning and ask to include Superchargers, it will filter out the V2 charging stations?

 

[momo3605]

The Tesla V2 chargers (older) are not Plug and Charge compliant and will not work with the NACS partner cars. The electronic handshake between the car and the charger meets the ISO standard for V3 and V4 chargers but not V2. The older stations are unique to Tesla so those stations are not compatible with any other cars.

Why does that matter? People could always authenticate through the app like we have to do with some EVGo and other stations.

Lots of Rivian/Ford owners authenticate with Tesla superchargers through the app because of the discounted membership prices.

 

[Adnillien]

Bummer, but thanks. I did not realize that would remain the case with native NACS ports as opposed to using adapters.

I assume that when you use the Gravity's route planning and ask to include Superchargers, it will filter out the V2 charging stations?

I have heard that the route planning does filter correctly. You can also look at PlugShare and see the old V2 sites are labeled Tesla only where the V# and V4 are not.

 

[Adnillien]

Why does that matter? People could always authenticate through the app like we have to do with some EVGo and other stations.

Lots of Rivian/Ford owners authenticate with Tesla superchargers through the app because of the discounted membership prices.

Rivian and Ford also will not charge on V2 chargers even when using the Tesla app to initiate the charge. The ISO 15118 standard includes the protocol for how the vehicle and charger exchange capability information and how the vehicle requests a specific voltage from the charger. Hence, the need for ISO15118 compatibility.

 

[037]

Helpful chart if you happen to be in a base wheel 5 seater GT. Pick your current state of charge on top and slide finger down to where you want to be.

 

[Elfin]

If you check "Tesla" for vehicle type, you get considerably more Superchargers identified than if you check "NACS Partner" or "Other EV". Why is that? Will the Gravity not be able to use any Tesla Supercharger?

Good question. There are V3 sites that are not NACS partner sites. For example my favorite charger in Bishop, CA is Tesla only. The other newer Supercharger in town is a "NACS partner" though. I'm not sure if the station would need to be upgraded or if they just want more people going to the less popular Supercharger.

 

[98point1]

You wouldn’t want to charge at the V2 sites any way. Teslas charge around 125kw max there. Probably would be slower for Gravity (my guess)

 

[borski]

Bummer, but thanks. I did not realize that would remain the case with native NACS ports as opposed to using adapters.

Yeah, no, charging is gonna suck for a long time because all NACS chargers are equal but some are more equal than others (aka they are newer/older).

That’s not at all confusing or anything lol

I assume that when you use the Gravity's route planning and ask to include Superchargers, it will filter out the V2 charging stations?

Yes.

 

[hmp10]

I did a quickie comparison to see how Electrify America charging station coverage in the U.S. compares to Tesla Supercharger coverage with the V3 and above chargers that the Gravity can use. And there were some surprises:

South Dakota: 1 Supercharger location / 5 EA locations

Wyoming: 2 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

Idaho: 4 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

New Mexico: 5 Supercharger locations / 10 EA locations

Oklahoma: 3 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

Of course, the trick is to find an EA location that is actually working . . . .

Here is the EA coverage in the U.S.:

Here is the Supercharger "NACS Partner" coverage:

 

[Elfin]

NACS is just CCS with a Tesla connector.

I did a quickie comparison to see how Electrify America charging station coverage in the U.S. compares to Tesla Supercharger coverage with the V3 and above chargers that the Gravity can use. And there were some surprises:

South Dakota: 1 Supercharger location / 5 EA locations

Wyoming: 2 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

Idaho: 4 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

New Mexico: 5 Supercharger locations / 10 EA locations

Oklahoma: 3 Supercharger locations / 6 EA locations

Of course, the trick is to find an EA location that is actually working . . . .

Here is the EA coverage in the U.S.:

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Here is the Supercharger "NACS Partner" coverage:

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I think this is mostly because Tesla initially filled out the whole country with V2 superchargers. Many of those chargers hardly ever get used so they've never been upgraded to V3.

 

[hmp10]

I think this is mostly because Tesla initially filled out the whole country with V2 superchargers. Many of those chargers hardly ever get used so they've never been upgraded to V3.

That could well be.

It does point out, though, that access to (some) Tesla Superchargers is not a panacea for Lucid and other non-Tesla EV owners who still need other charge providers to up their games to make unfettered road tripping anywhere in the U.S. viable. In some cases, there needs to be more coverage (e. g., Ionna), and in others more reliability (notably EA).