If you are playing with Leviton receptacles, one could argue that you need to get out more, have fun and expand your concept of play.
Sorry
@borski, I cannot help but crack a joke here. I have a mental picture of a homeowner, with a burned down garage/home saying to a Fire Marshall and his/her Insurance Adjuster: "Geez, the receptable
seemed genuinely fine and
seemed much more durable that the receptacles that have burned down a hundred garages."
@borski and the Powers to Be, I hope with my answers below and explanation, I do not AGAIN get tagged as
"John Wick - WorldWide Beagle - excommunicado"
So, it makes no difference that the OVEN listed intermittent use NEMA 15-50 receptacles are fine for ovens. That is what they were designed for and are independently CERTIFIED for use pursuant to the NEC and local codes. I must respectively and strongly disagree with your hypothesis that the issue was just a "
eh, looks the same" and that Leviton cannot be blamed. Sorry
@borski, a competent, licensed, commercial electrician would have heart palpitations over a choice based on
"looks the same" statement. I did! Every, every, every electrical device or component has a listed and approved specification and approved use. Even wire nuts. And every licensed electrician knows that every device, wire, screw must be used according to the certified listed specification.
"Merely looks the same" will get a building red tagged, a wall torn out and is a recipe for a fire. Or a loosing law suit.
First and foremost, it was not just plain old 'people' that went and said: it looks the same. It was hundreds of licensed electricians. I find fault with Leviton because it knew for months (years?) that 'people" and electricians unfamiliar with 1. continuous use ratings and 2. EV charging, were improperly using their devices. And, in my estimate, they did nothing until it started loosing business to Hubbell/Bryant, Cooper etc.
I LOVE the statement:
Without issue. @borski, that is, of course, UNTIL THERE IS ONE. I remember several posts on this forum where users said the exact same thing: the receptacle worked fine until it melted. All kidding aside, I am sure that the new Leviton EV marked receptacles have been certified and rated by someone, like UL (Underwear & Lingerie), and listed for continuous duty EV charging up to 40 amps. But the fact that they are certified listed and meet Code, does not NOT mean they are not crummy. Leviton makes MILLIONS of 88 cent receptables for Walmart and HD. That is who they are!
Interesting fact: the National Electric Code, NEC, used by almost all cities and states, is done by the National Fire Protection Association. Since 1897, it has been the best practices handbook and uniform code. First and foremost to prevent FIRES. Secondly, to prevent injury to people. Lay people think that electricians just learn by hands on skills pulling wires. In reality, a licensed
electrician will have spent years of
apprenticeship studying and practicing the NEC requirements prior to obtaining their license - what device is ALLOWED to used in every location. In my professional opinion, using a $8.88 Leviton NEMA 5-50 receptacle for 40 amp continuous EV charging was always against the Code. I believe Leviton knew it (they must watch YouTube) and I believe they failed to affirmatively act. For those reasons, I cannot put my trust in such a company, not with my homes.
Please take my comments in the friendly spirit in which I bring them. As a lay person, I really get the "looks the same to me rationale." But that was what the NEC was drafted for and is constantly updated every three years. Not what looks like it will work, but what was certified by an independent testing facility to work, properly, with out risk of fire or injury.
WorldWide Beagle - Excomunicado
