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borski said:
You’re better than that.
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Have you guys considered allowing post edits after 15 minutes, for the ability to edit or delete posts made in haste or regrettably? I’ve never seen a forum limit it to 15 minutes before.

Several times I’ve read a reply and thought yeah, that was lame/too much/ etc, but can’t do anything about it 🤷
 
socktucker said:
Have you guys considered allowing post edits after 15 minutes, for the ability to edit or delete posts made in haste or regrettably? I’ve never seen a forum limit it to 15 minutes before.

Several times I’ve read a reply and thought yeah, that was lame/too much/ etc, but can’t do anything about it 🤷
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Fair point. If you ever want a post deleted past the time limit, just message the mods. To lobby to change the limit, message @Joe :P
 
socktucker said:
Have you guys considered allowing post edits after 15 minutes, for the ability to edit or delete posts made in haste or regrettably? I’ve never seen a forum limit it to 15 minutes before.

Several times I’ve read a reply and thought yeah, that was lame/too much/ etc, but can’t do anything about it 🤷
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I second this request.
 
socktucker said:
Have you guys considered allowing post edits after 15 minutes, for the ability to edit or delete posts made in haste or regrettably? I’ve never seen a forum limit it to 15 minutes before.

Several times I’ve read a reply and thought yeah, that was lame/too much/ etc, but can’t do anything about it 🤷
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I hadn’t heard any concerns about this previously, so I spent some time reviewing it. One limitation of the forum software is that when a member edits a post, other users cannot see what was changed. Having edits long after posting could change or confuse the context of a thread for readers who revisit it later. Usually when something on the forum is posted, it will be read minutes later and usually a reply or two as well and at that point the conversation is already going.

Currently it's set that posts can be edited or deleted for up to 10 minutes, and new threads cannot be deleted by the original poster. I will update this to allow a 45 minute window for editing posts, and during that same timeframe, thread starters will be able to delete their own threads. After the 45 minute window, any changes will require contacting a staff member.
 
pezpunk said:
Sure, they drove the car around for 37 miles without issue, but at mile 37.001, the very first inch a customer moved the vehicle, was the first instant that error appeared. You can believe that if you want. Or you can google Occam's Razor. Your choice. I've made mine.


My comment was absolutely on-topic of the paragraph i quoted, which was in regards to pushing forward to customer deliveries with a known-flawed product. "Thanks!"
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Our SA called us to say that our Gravity was ready for delivery, but it had a small cosmetic issue (scratch/dent) from shipping, and that we could either take delivery and they'd fix it afterwards, or we could take delivery after they got it repaired. I told him we'd just take delivery when it was fixed, and he said "Okay, great, let's do that." and we took delivery about 2 weeks later. Everything was perfect.

I really don't see them plotting how to fob off an undriveable new vehicle on an unsuspecting buyer; I think it was just bad luck.
 
Joe said:
I hadn’t heard any concerns about this previously, so I spent some time reviewing it. One limitation of the forum software is that when a member edits a post, other users cannot see what was changed. Having edits long after posting could change or confuse the context of a thread for readers who revisit it later. Usually when something on the forum is posted, it will be read minutes later and usually a reply or two as well and at that point the conversation is already going.

Currently it's set that posts can be edited or deleted for up to 10 minutes, and new threads cannot be deleted by the original poster. I will update this to allow a 45 minute window for editing posts, and during that same timeframe, thread starters will be able to delete their own threads. After the 45 minute window, any changes will require contacting a staff member.
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Perfect! Thank you.
 
joec said:
See. Here’s the thing. I’m trying to be nice. And you’re trying to stir the pot. We have no use for that here. We’re a community. We’re here to help each other out.

If you can’t handle other people disagreeing with you politely and without having to be snarky about it, we’re going to have a problem.
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Looks like admin has updated the edit window now, which gives more time to reconsider things said in haste or without consideration of context.
 
Pragmatic said:
I usual delete posts after typing them in but before sending. Asking myself, does the written post further the conversation or is it needless noise, does wonders to lower post count.
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I'm fine with the change, but the admin's point about the context of a thread being confusing or changed is a valid one.
A signficant number of replies to a post can occur in 45 minutes.
Replies can occur within 10 minutes, but the potential umber has now quadrupled. Oh well.

I suppose the best we can hope is that if a member has submitted a post and there have been "meaningful" replies to it, the member can post that they deleted their original post or those who chose to reply can notice it.

Perhaps the logic behind this change is a post that is later deleted, possibly wasn't "meaningful" enough to provoke meaningful replies.
Perhaps this change will result in increase in a mindset that says "That post has the look of being needless noise made in haste, soon to be followed by regret and deletion.".
End result: higher quality posts.

Maybe the developer of the forum software will integrate AI such that AI judges the post as needless noise and a pop-up message appears; similar to the pop-up message that tells you your post has been updated ... or deleted.
 
Honestly, I've used and run a lot of forums over the years (including vBulletin and much older versions of Xen among others) and this is the only one I've ever used that has a time limit on edits. It seemed very strange to me, given that if you're really concerned about it you can enable the features that show when a post was edited and by who. IIRC Xen even has a way to enable a clickable link under comments that shows what the edits were.
 
RandomDesign said:
Honestly, I've used and run a lot of forums over the years (including vBulletin and much older versions of Xen among others) and this is the only one I've ever used that has a time limit on edits
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same, but extending to 45 is better than nothing.

I've modded some huge forums where we didnt use limits too. But, most of the car forums are VerticalScope forums, and this one is independent which I appreciate quite a bit actually.

I look at like its not my forum, whoever owns it (joe?) has the right to set the limits they want. I'd rather have that situation than another Vertical Scope or IB mess.

Back on topic, however, I read that they didn't fire ALL the software team, it was more of a pruning.
 
socktucker said:
same, but extending to 45 is better than nothing.

I've modded some huge forums where we didnt use limits too. But, most of the car forums are VerticalScope forums, and this one is independent which I appreciate quite a bit actually.

I look at like its not my forum, whoever owns it (joe?) has the right to set the limits they want. I'd rather have that situation than another Vertical Scope or IB mess.

Back on topic, however, I read that they didn't fire ALL the software team, it was more of a pruning.
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RandomDesign said:
It seemed very strange to me, given that if you're really concerned about it you can enable the features that show when a post was edited and by who.
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Based on what @Joe said above, it appears xen doesn’t have the feature to show what the edits were (or @Joe doesn’t know where to turn it on; I haven’t looked)

But I agree that would be the ideal solution.

Just “by whom” and “when” is not as useful and still presents the thread confusion issue, as future replies may not make sense post-edit.
 
borski said:
Based on what @Joe said above, it appears xen doesn’t have the feature to show what the edits were (or @Joe doesn’t know where to turn it on; I haven’t looked)

But I agree that would be the ideal solution.

Just “by whom” and “when” is not as useful and still presents the thread confusion issue, as future replies may not make sense post-edit.
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Yeah, I guess my memory of it was wrong. You can enable that feature in Xen but the list of what was changed is only available to admin/mods unless using an addon. vBulletin has the option natively.
 
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