[RESOLVED] LEAVE-REGEN-ALONE

I haven't noticed any change in regen whatsoever, in the three years I've owned my GT.
The only surprise I've ever had was when regen was disabled for a fraction of a second when I drove over a bumpy, low-traction surface.
 
I wonder if the Lucid engineers working on the updates are reading the many posts on this and other sites and laughing their asses off.

"Regen has changed with the update" "regen hasn't changed" "My miles per kwh is much less now" "My car is much more efficient now". "The smooth setting is less smooth" "The smooth setting is more smooth"

Obviously, this could easily be resolved with some more "robustness" in the description of the OTAs.
I don't know about the engineers. But I find it entertaining lol. I'm not very smart. But I'm smart enough to know how little I know about the many factors that could possibly affect these things... and that my brain is incapable of making accurate conclusions as to what causes the things I perceive to be changing. Incapable is probably not the best word. But I know I can't point to a specific cause and effect relationship on these things (specifically regen and efficiency)
 
Had similar experience. Wish they had told me. Not cool.

At the first hard stop I let off the go pedal and nothing happened. Then at the next stop it didn't happen again and I had to panic brake to avoid rear-ending the vehicle in front of me. I was at 60% SOC so it wasn't a full battery thing, and temps were about 60 degrees F, and I've had the car over 3 years so I know how it behaves. I thought the update may have moved regen down to the lowest setting, but no, it was still on high...

so yes, my blood pressure was definitely way up. bad Lucid, go stand in the corner.
 
temps were about 60 degrees F
That's all it is then? A 60ºF battery is cold enough to reduce regen to the extent that it feels like nothing is happening until you drop to maybe 25-30mph. It was last year too, and the year before that.
 
I’ve had all iterations of 2.8 thus far and not a single one changed regen for me. Weird that it seems to be happening for some people
 
That's all it is then? A 60ºF battery is cold enough to reduce regen to the extent that it feels like nothing is happening until you drop to maybe 25-30mph. It was last year too, and the year before that.
This is my suspicion too. Just physics, not software.
 
This is my suspicion too. Just physics, not software.
With all due respect and appreciation for all you do on the forum, Borski, It's not just physics in this case. I am one of those whose robust software change led to a post software change in the preprogrammed regenerative deceleration, a few updates back when it was not cold. I just chalked it up to the update and adjusted my driving after a couple of longer than usual stops and did not give it a second thought. I expect things change with updates, heck I was used to my dashboard and display changing from one hour to another with some of the Rivian updates. At least, they did inform one of the upcoming changes and what to expect. I'm not knocking your point down or trying to be contrarian. It did indeed change post update from one drive to another and has remained that way since - and the weather had not changed before to after the update!
 
It's actually chemistry, not physics.
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I think Lucid could address some of the actual updates instead of "Robustness". Are they ashamed of the fixes? Does Lucid think the user will not understand the tech jargon?
The lack of transparency is concerning.. a bit.
 
I should have said that I see a noticeable difference in standard regen when in smooth mode. Regen is slower to engage when I first ease up on the throttle. Of course the more (and faster) I lift, the more regen I get, so it was only the first part of the regen band that was different. I haven't seen a difference in regen in any other mode or setting.
 
I have not noticed any change since update...As you know, the region level is selectable.. Maybe yours got defaulted to no regen from update? Also note that region is greatly diminished on full charge as there is not battery capacity for regen
 
I have not noticed any change in regen, but I drive in Sprint with standard (low) regeneration which has the least regeneration. I never charge above 80% and do not leave the car plugged in. But last year before the updates I only got "Limited Regeneration" warnings when it was below 35F (sometimes not getting them until much lower temperatures). Since the updates I get that warning at temperatures up to 60F, though I never notice any lack of regen (again driving with the least aggressive regen).
 
That's all it is then? A 60ºF battery is cold enough to reduce regen to the extent that it feels like nothing is happening until you drop to maybe 25-30mph. It was last year too, and the year before that.

Did you guys miss this part? I've had the car over three years. I know how it behaves. This is definitely not how it has been since I took delivery Sept. 2022.
I always drive in Smooth with high regeneration. I very much like one pedal driving. I do not like suddenly having to use the brakes.

You guys don't know how nice the car was 3 years ago before all the updates. Here is peak automotive design:
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Speaking of physics, how does reducing regenerative charging increase range ?
 
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Speaking of physics, how does reducing regenerative charging increase range ?
FUnny you ask this, I noticed that for my mostly freeway, short trip driving, I got better mileage with regen completely off. Someone explained it then, but it has to do with how long regen is engaged and at force, vs the energy it takes to engage in the first place. For example, it takes "X" energy to engage regen, but if it only regens for a few seconds, it regenerates less than the "X" it took to engage it.
 
FUnny you ask this, I noticed that for my mostly freeway, short trip driving, I got better mileage with regen completely off. Someone explained it then, but it has to do with how long regen is engaged and at force, vs the energy it takes to engage in the first place. For example, it takes "X" energy to engage regen, but if it only regens for a few seconds, it regenerates less than the "X" it took to engage it.
I don't think that's quite right. There's no "engaging" in using regen, no moving pieces or anything like that, it's mechanically very simple. I think the case where no-regen can be more efficient than regen is in comparison to not braking, rather than in comparison to friction brakes. Regen should be more efficient in city driving, because you're comparing against a whole lot of flat out waste with friction brakes at intersections.

Imagine you're driving through some nice hills. You go down, then you have to go back up. With regen/OPD, unless you're thinking about it, you'll maintain basically the same speed the whole way. On the downhill, regen gives you a little bit of energy back. Great! But nothing is perfectly efficient, so it's not even close to all the free energy granted to you by gravity. Then you immediately have to use more energy than you just regained to get up the next hill. If you didn't have OPD, what would you likely have done, if you're not one of those drivers who is terrified of hills? You would coast down, accelerating thanks to Earth's trusty old 9.8m/s^2, then use your momentum to help get you up the next hill. Much less net loss there.

You could get the same effect by modulating your foot on the pedal with OPD, striving to keep the Charge/Power dial as close to 0 as possible the whole time. It's just a pain in the butt. It'd be lovely if Lucid's cruise control/drive assist were terrain-aware enough to modulate that for you, but I'm not sure anyone has done that yet.
 
It'd be lovely if Lucid's cruise control/drive assist were terrain-aware enough to modulate that for you, but I'm not sure anyone has done that yet.
It would not have to be totally terrain-aware. If they gave you the option of allowing CC speed to vary somewhat you'd be almost all the way there. If set at 75 mph allow hills to bring the car to 80 mph. Once complete with the hill speed would drift back to 75 mph. At highway speeds the hill would gave to be quite long and/or steep to allow much more than a 5 mph gain given the aero drag. If it is you'd want the car to use regen to keep you at 80 mph.
 
This is my suspicion too. Just physics, not software.
Except mine changed after 2.8.9, which took place when the weather was still warm here.
 
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