Can anyone compare DDPremium vs. Tesla Autopilot (not FSD)?

I personally don't like the handsfree as well as I do regular Drive Assist. Having said that the Hands Free Drive Assist has been working really well. The problem is it requires me to keep my head almost perfectly still and even anything more than minimal cockpit scanning puts it into a series of pay attention warnings. With regular Drive Assist as long as it feels the weight of my hand I can look around without issue. I assume over time the Hands Free will become less strict and more user friendly.
 
I personally don't like the handsfree as well as I do regular Drive Assist. Having said that the Hands Free Drive Assist has been working really well. The problem is it requires me to keep my head almost perfectly still and even anything more than minimal cockpit scanning puts it into a series of pay attention warnings. With regular Drive Assist as long as it feels the weight of my hand I can look around without issue. I assume over time the Hands Free will become less strict and more user friendly.
I wonder if your steering wheel is positioned low enough for the face cam to have a good view? I can move my head and look around without issue.
 
I wonder if your steering wheel is positioned low enough for the face cam to have a good view? I can move my head and look around without issue.
I don't think so but it's possible. Initially, it didn't work at all until I lowered the steering wheel all the way down. Once I did that it activates correctly but is just extremely strict on the amount of time it allows me to do anything other than stare straight ahead.
 
If I understand correctly, DDP2 on Gravity is similar to the Tesla autopilot (not FSD) EXCEPT for traffic light/stop/yield signs recognition/reaction and perhaps usage on unmarked roads. I believe autopilot will do both.

I also assume it has pedestrian recognition/reaction?

Is that accurate? If so, they sound similar.
 
I don't think so but it's possible. Initially, it didn't work at all until I lowered the steering wheel all the way down. Once I did that it activates correctly but is just extremely strict on the amount of time it allows me to do anything other than stare straight ahead.
Lower it further, just as a test.
 
If I understand correctly, DDP2 on Gravity is similar to the Tesla autopilot (not FSD) EXCEPT for traffic light/stop/yield signs recognition/reaction and perhaps usage on unmarked roads. I believe autopilot will do both.

I also assume it has pedestrian recognition/reaction?

Is that accurate? If so, they sound similar.
If so that’s fine with me. I don’t really use those functions in my Tesla anyway. The only one of those that is remotely useful for me is traffic light recognition. But I’m also someone that is always aware of the traffic light state. I hate it when people are on their phones and don’t move when the light turns green, but the little “ding” is nice to have.
 
Two clarifications:

1) Hands Free Drive Assist - Not available yet on Gravity. If you get DD2Pro, you will get the feature later in the year, per Lucid.

2) No, DD2Pro isn’t like Tesla FSD right now. It doesn’t change lanes automatically on highway (it will suggest you do so or you can initiate with turn signal). It will not head to off ramps and take exit anutomatically, etc. It’s not following the route you set. It’s just following the lines. It’s effectively TACC with lane keep. It works really well, but I wouldn’t compare it to FSD right now. As others have said, it’s like Tesla Autopilot sort of pre-FSD. Totally fine with me, but wanted to clarify.
 
If "traffic light detection" is an announced, upcoming feature that seems to imply ADAS could be used on city streets. Maybe it could be today manually adjusting for pedestrians, turns, and stops. I'd really like to better understand what it can or cannot do - i.e. pedestrian recognition , speed limit changes (says it has sign recognition today), lane change on city streets, etc.

I tend to use whatever features are avaliable and safe, i.e. drone for the next few miles on a city artery running 40 MPH. I can manually handle turns/stops but I'd hesitate to use it if it does not have adequate VRU detection/avoidance. Tesla has detected several of these that it saw before I did.

Insights? Does anyone use it on city streets today or is that more trouble than its worth?
 
DDPro is just like 10 year old cruise control with lane assist, not at all like Autopilot.
So no lane changes? And no vehicle separation? Won't stop for car stopped in front of you?
 
So no lane changes? And no vehicle separation? Won't stop for car stopped in front of you?
Premium does that. I was confusing by the naming structure too. But, Pro has really cool part assist that Tesla only does with FSD
 
DDPro is just like 10 year old cruise control with lane assist, not at all like Autopilot.
What? It’s literally exactly like Autopilot, minus the phantom braking, lol.

From Tesla:
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DDPro 2 does both of these, very well.

DDPro 2 also includes a bunch of features Tesla only has in FSD: automatic lane changes (upon request from the driver, and it will even suggest changing lanes), auto park, etc.

The only thing the Air has that the Gravity doesn’t today is handsfree, which is coming.

Oh, and which Autopilot doesn’t have.

And they’re constantly adding more.
 
What? It’s literally exactly like Autopilot, minus the phantom braking, lol.

From Tesla:
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DDPro 2 does both of these, very well.

DDPro 2 also includes a bunch of features Tesla only has in FSD: automatic lane changes (upon request from the driver, and it will even suggest changing lanes), auto park, etc.

The only thing the Air has that the Gravity doesn’t today is handsfree, which is coming.

Oh, and which Autopilot doesn’t have.

And they’re constantly adding more.
I have DDPro Poverty remember? No autosteer, but it has assist but its not the same as Premium.

Telsa has now removed Autosteer from Cybertruck unless you buy FSD!
 
DDPro 2 does both of these, very well.
So apparently Lucid does not differentiate between highway v city streets functionality? Whatever it does on the highway, it can also do on marked city streets? With the possible exception of unmarked streets that I don't think Tesla Autopilot does either?

Is that accurate?
 
So apparently Lucid does not differentiate between highway v city streets functionality? Whatever it does on the highway, it can also do on marked city streets? With the possible exception of unmarked streets that I don't think Tesla Autopilot does either?

Is that accurate?
Yes but it’s not super useful on city/suburban streets as it can’t “see” stop signs or lights, so you really have to pay attention or it will just run them. It will do TACC and generally stay in its lane unless the road is really curvy or there’s construction.

I DO appreciate that Lucid lets you engage it almost anywhere. Our Rivian still only works on “approved, mapped” roads.
 
Okay, I’ve done a few hour-long drives in my Gravity now with Dream Drive 2 Premium (or Dream Drive Premium 2?). I think I can reasonably answer my own question if anyone else is trying to compare the them.

Caveats, I don’t have DD2Pro, just Premium. I’m not sure if Pro has many more functions working at the moment compared to Premium.

My Tesla Autopilot is on a 2020 HW3 LR Model Y. I also subscribed to FSD on my Y about a year ago but stopped after a few months as I didn’t end up using much. I don’t remember the exact dates but I stopped using it before it switched to $100/month. I have no idea if Autopilot behaves differently on HW3.5 or HW4 and I don’t have a car with that hardware.

The short of it is that DD2P is vastly superior to my version of Tesla Autopilot. It has more features and is just generally easier to operate. All of these observations are on highway travel as I don’t use automated driving assists much in city driving.

Lane keeping between the two is very similar. Not much between them to really differentiate. Some people complain about ping-ponging with DD but I haven’t noticed that. I think it’s pretty solid and certainly better than the earlier version of Autopilot, Enhanced Auto Pilot and FSD.

The Lucid does do Automatic Lane Biasing, which sort of falls under the category of lane keeping. It will move the car away from hazards (large trucks and motorcycles) while still staying in the lane. I found this feature to be a positive but it wasn’t super consistent. Approaching 18-wheelers from behind it works consistently. But vehicles approaching from behind don’t seem to trigger it as consistently, like motorcycles splitting lanes.

Speed control is smoother in the Lucid than my Tesla. Tesla’s Autopilot always seemed a bit myopic to me. It doesn’t change speed in a logical way based on the traffic conditions ahead. It’ll speed up to reach the set speed even while traffic is clearly slower ahead. Lucid’s doesn’t do that as much maybe due to just accelerating more slowly in general or just more traffic into consideration.

The huge difference between DD2P and Autopilot is lane changes. Autopilot will not execute any kind of lane change for you without FSD. In fact, when I use the turn signal on Autopilot it disengages the suite altogether, which isn’t a bad thing since I’ll end up changing lanes manually. But I’ve always found Autopilot disengagement to be pretty abrupt and balky. I’ve even tried to pre-load the throttle to ease the lurching feeling when disengaging AP. Also, Autopilot’s disengagement of the steering wheel is really unpleasant. It doesn’t return control smoothly. If you override AP’s steering control it hits a certain resistance level and then just lets go. So you always end up with a jerky maneuver. It feels like the prank where someone holds your arm back while telling you to pull really hard, then letting your arm go so you punch yourself in the face.

DD2P has automated lane changes and COOPERATIVE lane changes, which I love. Co-op lane changes means the car keeps its speed control. When you indicate a lane change the car will ease up on steering control allowing you to change lanes smoothly. Then when you’re centered in the new lane it’ll ease back to taking control. It does the same for speed control as well. You can accelerate and then let go and it eases back to the set speed without overreacting speed control warning of AP. This is, by far, the best part of DD2P to me. I want it to control the mundane parts but allow me to have control on the critical parts of highway driving without completely disengaging. It’s extremely well done in my opinion.

Automated lane changes in DD2P are also superior to my version of available FSD. FSD, for me, either hesitates too long to change lanes, annoying other drivers and me or is too aggressive with the lane change, which makes you seem erratic. DD2P’s automated lane changes are configured pretty closely to what I’d do myself, so it might just be a personal preference issue. But I didn’t feel like it was taking too long to annoy other and it wasn’t aggressive about it either.
 
Thank you for this clearly written description of DD2Premium. I wondered what the experience was compared to DD2Pro and can get a good sense of it from what you've posted here...helpful as I decide the actual specs I wish to order when Lunar Titanium begins production soon
 
I have DDPro Poverty remember? No autosteer, but it has assist but its not the same as Premium.

Telsa has now removed Autosteer from Cybertruck unless you buy FSD!
Cool, but you wrote "DDPro is just like 10 year old cruise control with lane assist, not at all like Autopilot."

DD Pro is not what you have.

You have DD.

There is DD, DD Premium and DD Pro. I was commenting on DD Pro.
 
Okay, I’ve done a few hour-long drives in my Gravity now with Dream Drive 2 Premium (or Dream Drive Premium 2?). I think I can reasonably answer my own question if anyone else is trying to compare the them.

Caveats, I don’t have DD2Pro, just Premium. I’m not sure if Pro has many more functions working at the moment compared to Premium.

My Tesla Autopilot is on a 2020 HW3 LR Model Y. I also subscribed to FSD on my Y about a year ago but stopped after a few months as I didn’t end up using much. I don’t remember the exact dates but I stopped using it before it switched to $100/month. I have no idea if Autopilot behaves differently on HW3.5 or HW4 and I don’t have a car with that hardware.

The short of it is that DD2P is vastly superior to my version of Tesla Autopilot. It has more features and is just generally easier to operate. All of these observations are on highway travel as I don’t use automated driving assists much in city driving.

Lane keeping between the two is very similar. Not much between them to really differentiate. Some people complain about ping-ponging with DD but I haven’t noticed that. I think it’s pretty solid and certainly better than the earlier version of Autopilot, Enhanced Auto Pilot and FSD.

The Lucid does do Automatic Lane Biasing, which sort of falls under the category of lane keeping. It will move the car away from hazards (large trucks and motorcycles) while still staying in the lane. I found this feature to be a positive but it wasn’t super consistent. Approaching 18-wheelers from behind it works consistently. But vehicles approaching from behind don’t seem to trigger it as consistently, like motorcycles splitting lanes.

Speed control is smoother in the Lucid than my Tesla. Tesla’s Autopilot always seemed a bit myopic to me. It doesn’t change speed in a logical way based on the traffic conditions ahead. It’ll speed up to reach the set speed even while traffic is clearly slower ahead. Lucid’s doesn’t do that as much maybe due to just accelerating more slowly in general or just more traffic into consideration.

The huge difference between DD2P and Autopilot is lane changes. Autopilot will not execute any kind of lane change for you without FSD. In fact, when I use the turn signal on Autopilot it disengages the suite altogether, which isn’t a bad thing since I’ll end up changing lanes manually. But I’ve always found Autopilot disengagement to be pretty abrupt and balky. I’ve even tried to pre-load the throttle to ease the lurching feeling when disengaging AP. Also, Autopilot’s disengagement of the steering wheel is really unpleasant. It doesn’t return control smoothly. If you override AP’s steering control it hits a certain resistance level and then just lets go. So you always end up with a jerky maneuver. It feels like the prank where someone holds your arm back while telling you to pull really hard, then letting your arm go so you punch yourself in the face.

DD2P has automated lane changes and COOPERATIVE lane changes, which I love. Co-op lane changes means the car keeps its speed control. When you indicate a lane change the car will ease up on steering control allowing you to change lanes smoothly. Then when you’re centered in the new lane it’ll ease back to taking control. It does the same for speed control as well. You can accelerate and then let go and it eases back to the set speed without overreacting speed control warning of AP. This is, by far, the best part of DD2P to me. I want it to control the mundane parts but allow me to have control on the critical parts of highway driving without completely disengaging. It’s extremely well done in my opinion.

Automated lane changes in DD2P are also superior to my version of available FSD. FSD, for me, either hesitates too long to change lanes, annoying other drivers and me or is too aggressive with the lane change, which makes you seem erratic. DD2P’s automated lane changes are configured pretty closely to what I’d do myself, so it might just be a personal preference issue. But I didn’t feel like it was taking too long to annoy other and it wasn’t aggressive about it either.
Thank you for the fantastic summary of your experience!
 
Cool, but you wrote "DDPro is just like 10 year old cruise control with lane assist, not at all like Autopilot."

DD Pro is not what you have.

You have DD.

There is DD, DD Premium and DD Pro. I was commenting on DD Pro.
I did it again. I have Premium. Backwards again.
 
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