Gravity Plan B

[hydbob]

I wouldn’t consider any GM car - or Ford for that matter. Their software is beyond awful and that really defines these EVs at this point. I spent a lot of time in a Lyriq and was frustrated frequently.

My biggest complaint with my R1S is it’s a rough ride. Granted, it’s a G1 quad but it’s on a truck frame and you feel that. The R1T is actually a nicer ride.

Other complaint is at 5,8”, even on low settings, I have to climb in and fall out. After two years, I am done with it.

My car had the price locked at $82,000 fully loaded. It was a great deal. There’s a 0% chance I’d pay $125,000 for a new R1S quad. I’d probably lease it though.

Generally, though, I far prefer the R1S over our X and if I had to have an EV SUV instead of Gravity, I’d go with it, but I’d get a dual motor.

I challenge a R1S owner to fit as much as I did in the gravity

 

[Neilnaples]

Rivian is running pretty good incentives on R1S tri right now, and their shift to NACS was a big additional plus for me and my needs. With current Rivian incentives and the federal tax credit, plus Lucid delays and startup, uhhh, quirks, I had decided in my head that I was going to give my Gravity til the end of the month to un-stick itself from my order status limbo, and if not, I would get a Rivian lease.

It doesn't help my case much to admit that I just can't quite bring myself to settle for something that isn't quite what I really want. At least, not yet. I wonder what the Rivian incentives will be in August?

F me.

I took delivery of a GDE one week before I took delivery of my Rivian… (4 days ago for the Rivian). Really both cars are far nicer than the Tesla. The Rivian has features like the Tesla - no key or key card needed with just the phone as key which is a big plus (of course the keys work which is also a plus relative to Lucid). However the Gravity just feels nicer. Good luck getting your Gravity in…. I don’t believe I will regret the gravity purchase. The rivian works well - it’s my car for towing - but it’s definitely not the same feel as Lucid.

 

[Elfin]

I would expect Rivian incentives to improve monthly through end of Q3, just as Lucid’s did in Q2 and Tesla’s typically do - especially with the end of the tax credit coming.

Definitely possible that incentives get worse if demand increases as people rush to buy before end of the tax credit though.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Definitely possible that incentives get worse if demand increases as people rush to buy before end of the tax credit though.

Let’s be real, but for the lease loophole, most folks buying a $100,000+ car don’t qualify for the incentive. This is why Tesla is just discounting by $7,500.

Also, I do t see them getting worse even if there is demand. They all need to sell as many as they can, as fast as they can.

 

[borski]

I challenge a R1S owner to fit as much as I did in the gravity

How many R1S owners can you fit in the gravity

 

[Elfin]

Let’s be real, but for the lease loophole, most folks buying a $100,000+ car don’t qualify for the incentive. This is why Tesla is just discounting by $7,500.

Also, I do t see them getting worse even if there is demand. They all need to sell as many as they can, as fast as they can.

True, I have no idea how many people lease and how much extra production capacity Rivian has.

 

[pyle112]

I would expect Rivian incentives to improve monthly through end of Q3, just as Lucid’s did in Q2 and Tesla’s typically do - especially with the end of the tax credit coming.

100% agree on native NACS with Rivian now.

The 2026 models are the ones with nacs and I didn't believe they qualify for the 7500 incentive

 

[fleming23]

Well... I can wait no longer on my Gravity (GT or DE)... My Macan EV lemon-law buyback is complete, and try as I might, my SA can't seem to find anything that even closely matches my order to assign.

Looks like I'm going to give the Cadillac Vistiq Premium Luxury a go for 2 years. I'll be watching how this all develops, and honestly, based on some of the early feedback, maybe not such a bad thing to wait.

 

[pyle112]

Well... I can wait no longer on my Gravity (GT or DE)... My Macan EV lemon-law buyback is complete, and try as I might, my SA can't seem to find anything that even closely matches my order to assign.

Looks like I'm going to give the Cadillac Vistiq Premium Luxury a go for 2 years. I'll be watching how this all develops, and honestly, based on some of the early feedback, maybe not such a bad thing to wait.

Good luck! No frunk was a no go for me.

 

[fleming23]

Good luck! No frunk was a no go for me.

Yeah, not ideal (and they had room for one, which is mind blowing), but I have opened my Macan frunk exactly zero times in the past 8 months - it only stores my EVSE. I did use my Rivian Frunk more frequently, but more so when we were changing diapers, it was a super convenient changing table if needed.

 

[pyle112]

Yeah, not ideal (and they had room for one, which is mind blowing), but I have opened my Macan frunk exactly zero times in the past 8 months - it only stores my EVSE. I did use my Rivian Frunk more frequently, but more so when we were changing diapers, it was a super convenient changing table if needed.

Oh that's interesting- the Rivian drink seemed so high and deep. How's that work?

 

[DeaneG]

...Looks like I'm going to give the Cadillac Vistiq Premium Luxury a go for 2 years. I'll be watching how this all develops, and honestly, based on some of the early feedback, maybe not such a bad thing to wait.

Check the Polestar 3 also, if you haven't pulled trigger already.

 

[TahoeMichael]

I'm not canceling my Gravity order, but I see the BMW iX3 has more info starting to appear, and a launch event scheduled for next Friday. I'm seeing some sources today claiming that it will have a 400 mile EPA range, which checks a box for me.

 

[DeaneG]

I'm not canceling my Gravity order, but I see the BMW iX3 has more info starting to appear, and a launch event scheduled for next Friday. I'm seeing some sources today claiming that it will have a 400 mile EPA range, which checks a box for me.

Same here. BMW has also mentioned 400kW peak charging speed. Hope it looks OK.
Also there will be more details on the Cayenne EV by the end of the year, and maybe a refreshed Polestar 3 with native 800V NACS and lidar.
Each with strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

I will only buy an EV from EV-only companies. I just think they’re more focused and their software and batteries perform better. Porsche EVs, to me, are absurdly overpriced. BMWs just look weird on the EV side.

That said, more EVs are good for all and that’s why they make many models.

 

[DeaneG]

I will only buy an EV from EV-only companies. I just think they’re more focused and their software and batteries perform better...

It's a reasonable direction IMO, and ordinarily I'd be of the same mind. But our Volvo XC40 EV has been so good to own and drive for the last four years, without any direct competition to date in the compact SUV form factor. We put 3x more miles on it per year than our Air as it is more often the right tool - even though its range isn't awesome, and charging speed is only OK. Most days, these drawbacks make no difference to us compared to the car's inherent utility. When there are more EV choices, I'd also tend to buy from an EV-only specialist manufacturer. I think we're not quite there yet.

 

[zer0t0115]

I will only buy an EV from EV-only companies. I just think they’re more focused and their software and batteries perform better. Porsche EVs, to me, are absurdly overpriced. BMWs just look weird on the EV side.

That said, more EVs are good for all and that’s why they make many models.

I made a comment similar this recently to some folks i was speaking with about EVs. I said no more EVs from non-EV only makers. It’s not a core business for them. For the foreseeable future I’ll buy from the US EV makers. I like offerings from all three so I’ll be fine.

 

[WildRide47]

I made a comment similar this recently to some folks i was speaking with about EVs. I said no more EVs from non-EV only makers. It’s not a core business for them. For the foreseeable future I’ll buy from the US EV makers. I like offerings from all three so I’ll be fine.

As I said before on this forum, my wife's BMW i-4M50 has been gold. Almost 3 years old and she has never had to bring in into the dealership for anything. Everything works perfectly. Stating that "no more from non-EV only makers" doesn't necessarily mean that "only EV" makers make a better EV. I know others on this forum who also have a i-4 have had the same experience as my wife. Your statement that it is not a core business is not something I would ever use to make my choice. After all Tesla and Rivian are "only EV makers" and both are terrible as far as reliability ratings on most auto magazines. I'm sure other brands that are from "non -EV only" makers would disagree with you strongly as well.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

As I said before on this forum, my wife's BMW i-4M50 has been gold. Almost 3 years old and she has never had to bring in into the dealership for anything. Everything works perfectly. Stating that "no more from non-EV only makers" doesn't necessarily mean that "only EV" makers make a better EV. I know others on this forum who also have a i-4 have had the same experience as my wife. Your statement that it is not a core business is not something I would ever use to make my choice. After all Tesla and Rivian are "only EV makers" and both are terrible as far as reliability ratings on most auto magazines. I'm sure other brands that are from "non -EV only" makers would disagree with you strongly as well.

Actually, my main reason has to do with software. I don’t doubt BMW can put together a solid car (albeit I think their battery chemistry is meh). But the non-EV focused makers haven’t shown their ability to regularly update software and add meaningful features based on my understanding from friends and experience with an iX and Kia EV6. That said, their fobs work…

Granted, I have not owned my Gravity long enough to know whether Lucid has software “chops”. Our Tesla and Rivian are markedly better than when we got them because of OTAs. I cannot say the same about the EV6 we had (only a year) or our iX.

But, again, 1,000% my opinion and this is why it’s great there are many manufacturers making EVs now.

 

[DeaneG]

...I don’t doubt BMW can put together a solid car (albeit I think their battery chemistry is meh)...

I thought so too, but was surprised when I saw that the midsized neue iX3 is targeted for 400 mile EPA range and has demonstrated 400kW max charging power. That's a remarkable combination which is unmatched in a midsized vehicle.