All Season Tires/Wheels

[MackWang]

Very interesting! Well, polestar did the same - performance 20" wheels were delivered with summer tires, even in the Northeast. I'm not really sure of the common denominator in all of this! From a common sense point of view, they should absolutely ensure the consumer acknowledges. Maybe it's just sales driven and that would add friction or reduce sales.

It's cost and I don't necessarily blame them. They likely cut a deal with a manufacturer they thought was great deal only to find out that its not great for customers in a chunk of the country. Plus, they're still small'ish so that gets them a little leniency on my end. If it were Tesla, I'd be in the showroom pounding my fist on a desk about it, but I know what it's like to run on a thin budget and sometimes you can't foresee every issue. These guys are doing a great job overall, and mistakes sometimes happen. Still, they need to fix this on a going-forward basis.

 

[Ric]

No all-weather markings and so I think they are just summer, which in NJ is ridiculous. I already have a call into them. They really shouldn’t be selling these tires in the northeast, at least without first telling the customer.

BTW - is it just the tires that would need to be swapped out, or would the rims also need to be swapped out?

I was just at the Chicago Auto show and spoke to the Lucid sales folks. Unless you click through several screens on their website, you would never know that the 20" and 21" are only summer tires. I just don't understand why they don't put this on the same screen that describes the tire size on the first screen. It is a very unwelcome surprise here in Chicago. Unfortunately Lucid is not making any offers to help, other than saying you should buy winter or all season tires from a third party. Not a good option on a short term lease. Disappointing.

 

[thyname]

Unless you click through several screens on their website, you would never know that the 20" and 21" are only summer tires. I just don't understand why they don't put this on the same screen that describes the tire size on the first screen.

It is actually right there, when you configure the vehicle. You just have to hit the "i" circle (information) when selecting the wheel option to see the description.

Yeah, clicking one more time is a true hardship for many in this day and age, but really, when putting an order for such a high price car, shouldn't one pay attention to every single thing? Also, something like this can be quickly observed during the test drive. Again, I would not buy such a high price vehicle without a test drive (or three).

Finally, there is a detailed spec sheet in the site:

https://lucidmotors.com/media/document/lucid-air-touring-technical-specs-2025.pdf

Page two at the bottom.

 

[RMSko]

It is actually right there, when you configure the vehicle. You just have to hit the "i" circle (information) when selecting the wheel option to see the description.

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Yeah, clicking one more time is a true hardship for many in this day and age, but really, when putting an order for such a high price car, shouldn't one pay attention to every single thing? Also, something like this can be quickly observed during the test drive. Again, I would not buy such a high price vehicle without a test drive (or three).

Finally, there is a detailed spec sheet in the site:

https://lucidmotors.com/media/document/lucid-air-touring-technical-specs-2025.pdf

Page two at the bottom.

The way I ordered my car was by Lucid sending me a link to the specs, i.e., I didn’t do any configuration on their site. And that spec sheet had no mention of summer tires. I have now been told that there is a click through in the paperwork that is ultimately signed, but the sales rep admitted that it takes some effort to find it and she is going to recommend that they make it more noticeable going forward. And in any event, we all know how that electronically signed paperwork works, very few if anyone reads through all the documentation before electronically signing and even more so wouldn’t click through and then read all the click through pages. You can blame this on the consumer all you want, but in this day and age, a consumer buying a car in the northeast would absolutely assume it comes with all-season tires and wouldn’t even think to question it. Lucid needs to do a much better job on this disclosure and even better they need to offer the 20s and 21s with all-season tires. This really is a no-brainer and a better disclosure by Lucid is simple.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

Seems like you bought a pig in a poke.

 

[thyname]

It is much easier to blame others for anything that goes wrong.

 

[LuHart]

Thanks for the above! I’m a general counsel for a very large company and if I was their internal lawyer there is no doubt I would be telling them they should disclose this on the sticker and in the car’s online description. I haven’t researched this at all, but to me this really looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I am a lawyer at a large firm and i had the same thought.

 

[RMSko]

Seems like you bought a pig in a poke.

Clearly you’re not a realist

 

[borski]

The way I ordered my car was by Lucid sending me a link to the specs, i.e., I didn’t do any configuration on their site. And that spec sheet had no mention of summer tires. I have now been told that there is a click through in the paperwork that is ultimately signed, but the sales rep admitted that it takes some effort to find it and she is going to recommend that they make it more noticeable going forward. And in any event, we all know how that electronically signed paperwork works, very few if anyone reads through all the documentation before electronically signing and even more so wouldn’t click through and then read all the click through pages. You can blame this on the consumer all you want, but in this day and age, a consumer buying a car in the northeast would absolutely assume it comes with all-season tires and wouldn’t even think to question it. Lucid needs to do a much better job on this disclosure and even better they need to offer the 20s and 21s with all-season tires. This really is a no-brainer and a better disclosure by Lucid is simple.

Genuine question: when you buy a Lamborghini, do you also assume it comes with all seasons? What about a Mercedes? Or a BMW M-series?

I always check, because they often ship with summer tires, regardless of where I live.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Genuine question: when you buy a Lamborghini, do you also assume it comes with all seasons? What about a Mercedes? Or a BMW M-series?

I always check, because they often ship with summer tires, regardless of where I live.

My problem with my Genesis GV60P is the opposite. I would bave assumed that a performance vehicle would come with summer tires for a sale in greater Phoenix but, no, I had to replace the Michelin Primacy Tour A/S with Pilot Sport 4S tires. I recognize that it is difficult to give every purchaser a choice but for a car with almost 500 HP, there is no way it should have those tires; at a minimum Pilot Sport A'S tires, or equivalent, would be more reasonable.

 

[borski]

My problem with my Genesis GV60P is the opposite. I would bave assumed that a performance vehicle would come with summer tires for a sale in greater Phoenix but, no, I had to replace the Michelin Primacy Tour A/S with Pilot Sport 4S tires. I recognize that it is difficult to give every purchaser a choice but for a car with almost 500 HP, there is no way it should have those tires; at a minimum Pilot Sport A'S tires, or equivalent, would be more reasonable.

Y’all should trade tires

 

[RMSko]

Genuine question: when you buy a Lamborghini, do you also assume it comes with all seasons? What about a Mercedes? Or a BMW M-series?

I always check, because they often ship with summer tires, regardless of where I live.

I’ve bought numerous luxury cars and never thought to even ask the question. I’ve just assumed all cars sold in the northeast have all-season tires these days. I’m just an average consumer and not a car specialist. Maybe a car enthusiast would think to ask. My prior car was a ‘24 Audi e-tron and it came with all-season tires.

 

[borski]

I’ve bought numerous luxury cars and never thought to even ask the question. I’ve just assumed all cars sold in the northeast have all-season tires these days. I’m just an average consumer and not a car specialist. Maybe a car enthusiast would think to ask. My prior car was a ‘24 Audi e-tron and it came with all-season tires.

I’m not sure what’s “normal” and what isn’t, but I grew up in NYC and also always made sure to know. Was just a thing my dad taught me

 

[RMSko]

I’m not sure what’s “normal” and what isn’t, but I grew up in NYC and also always made sure to know. Was just a thing my dad taught me

Smart move but I think you’re an outlier. If I were to poll 100 random car buyers in the northeast, I’d be shocked if more than 5 would think to ask whether the tires are all-season when buying a car. People just assume that given the weather.

 

[borski]

Smart move but I think you’re an outlier. If I were to poll 100 random car buyers in the northeast, I’d be shocked if more than 5 would think to ask whether the tires are all-season when buying a car. People just assume that given the weather.

I see your point and I raise you: if I were to poll 100 random car buyers, in any locale, I’d be shocked if more than a few even knew there was such a thing as different kinds of tires other than winter and “normal,” if that. They also don’t know how to refill the windshield washer fluid or how to check the oil or what pressure to keep their tires at.

Not sure any of that is Lucid’s fault.

 

[RMSko]

I see your point and I raise you: if I were to poll 100 random car buyers, in any locale, I’d be shocked if more than a few even knew there was such a thing as different kinds of tires other than winter and “normal,” if that. They also don’t know how to refill the windshield washer fluid or how to check the oil or what pressure to keep their tires at.

Not sure any of that is Lucid’s fault.

In fairness, washer fluid, oil, etc are very different. The tires are a significant safety issue and are thus a unique component. Not only could a driver hurt themselves, they could also hurt someone else. And what if someone driving with summer tires in a snowstorm causes an accident. Would using those tires be viewed as negligent behavior? This is clearly problematic, especially since most of the drivers won’t even realize they are driving with summer only tires. We can debate this forever, but the bottom line is that Lucid is in a much better position than the consumer to mitigate this risk. It’s a simple no-cost fix for Lucid and being a smart company, I expect them to address it soon.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I’m not sure what’s “normal” and what isn’t, but I grew up in NYC and also always made sure to know.

I see your point and I raise you: if I were to poll 100 random car buyers, in any locale, I’d be shocked if more than a few even knew there was such a thing as different kinds of tires other than winter and “normal,” if that. They also don’t know how to refill the windshield washer fluid or how to check the oil or what pressure to keep their tires at.

Not sure any of that is Lucid’s fault.

I agree BUT I consider myself reasonably knowledgeable and I have no clue how to check the oil on my GV60 Performance!

 

[thyname]

In fairness, washer fluid, oil, etc are very different. The tires are a significant safety issue and are thus a unique component. Not only could a driver hurt themselves, they could also hurt someone else. And what if someone driving with summer tires in a snowstorm causes an accident. Would using those tires be viewed as negligent behavior? This is clearly problematic, especially since most of the drivers won’t even realize they are driving with summer only tires. We can debate this forever, but the bottom line is that Lucid is in a much better position than the consumer to mitigate this risk. It’s a simple no-cost fix for Lucid and being a smart company, I expect them to address it soon.

Here is my outside the box thought on your issue:

Whatever happened, happened. Cannot be undone. Buy yourself a set of snow / winter tires. Not all-season. Just snow tires. Swap them to summer tires in summer, store them. Swap them back in winter. Problem solved. Now… tires cost money, but you got a Lucid, so maybe you can spare some change for tires? Just maybe. Think of it as an investment, and improving your car’s driving capability

 

[Steveinarizona]

Here is my outside the box thought on your issue:

Whatever happened, happened. Cannot be undone. Buy yourself a set of snow / winter tires. Not all-season. Just snow tires. Swap them to summer tires in summer, store them. Swap them back in winter. Problem solved. Now… tires cost money, but you got a Lucid, so maybe you can spare some change for tires? Just maybe. Think of it as an investment, and improving your car’s driving capability

I don't think it is necessarily an issue of cost. These tires are huge and take up a lot of space in one's garage. So it is often a case of space.

 

[gavram]

I was just at the Chicago Auto show and spoke to the Lucid sales folks. Unless you click through several screens on their website, you would never know that the 20" and 21" are only summer tires. I just don't understand why they don't put this on the same screen that describes the tire size on the first screen. It is a very unwelcome surprise here in Chicago. Unfortunately Lucid is not making any offers to help, other than saying you should buy winter or all season tires from a third party. Not a good option on a short term lease. Disappointing.

Yeah, it's moronic to not offer all seasons on the 20" wheels... I'll give them a pass on the 21's. I'm guessing anyone that says otherwise doesn't live in a snowy climate. I ended up ordering all seasons from Tire Rack and my local tire shop stores the summer tires for a nominal fee. I then swap them out in spring as I can't stand the idea of the tires going unused. Side benefit of the Tire Rack purchase is free road hazard protection. I hit a massive pothole last year and they sent a new tire the next day at no cost. I'm not a fan of how winter tires ride/sound (only good in snow) and the all seasons have been great in the snow and are also good on dry or wet roads.