All Season Tires/Wheels

[frank4711]

I would not recommend All-Season tires. They are not great in summer and are not great in winter (I'm not even talking about snow, but just cold temperatures). Coming from Europe, I never understood it, and the ONLY reasons I can think of going with M+S are costs and the effort to get the tires changed, but that's it. I can understand that in a Toyota Corolla, you don't need the high-end summer tires, but a Lucid Air is a sports sedan, IMO. Why would you buy/lease a 70k+ car and save then 2k on the tires that are so important?

 

[RMSko]

I live in NJ and I need to swap out my 20” summer tires for all-weather tires. Would the Michelin Pilot Sport all-weather be the best replacement in terms of performance and range (I’d like to keep the range as close as possible to what it is now)? If not, anyone have any recommendations?

 

[MackWang]

No all-weather markings and so I think they are just summer, which in NJ is ridiculous. I already have a call into them. They really shouldn’t be selling these tires in the northeast, at least without first telling the customer.

BTW - is it just the tires that would need to be swapped out, or would the rims also need to be swapped out?

Preach on. The way I found out that my Air Pure had summer performance tires was during the first snowfall in the Philly burbs. The car was like a sled and it was rather terrifying. I called Lucid about selling cars in the winter with summer tires without giving the buyer a heads-up. I was pretty blunt with them "If you continue to do this and you're aware that it poses a danger, someone will get hurt and Lucid will get sued."

Honestly, that's really my only disappointment with the car. I love it otherwise and I'll just switch to all seasons in the fall.

 

[RMSko]

Preach on. The way I found out that my Air Pure had summer performance tires was during the first snowfall in the Philly burbs. The car was like a sled and it was rather terrifying. I called Lucid about selling cars in the winter with summer tires without giving the buyer a heads-up. I was pretty blunt with them "If you continue to do this and you're aware that it poses a danger, someone will get hurt and Lucid will get sued."

Honestly, that's really my only disappointment with the car. I love it otherwise and I'll just switch to all seasons in the fall.

I just sent a letter, although I doubt they will do anything. In t’s ridiculous that they don’t even disclose it. All they need to do is add the word “summer” to the tire description. I haven’t looked but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they are legally required to disclose. Fortunately my lease is only 18 months. While I love the car, the immaturity of the company is frustrating.

Preach on. The way I found out that my Air Pure had summer performance tires was during the first snowfall in the Philly burbs. The car was like a sled and it was rather terrifying. I called Lucid about selling cars in the winter with summer tires without giving the buyer a heads-up. I was pretty blunt with them "If you continue to do this and you're aware that it poses a danger, someone will get hurt and Lucid will get sued."

Honestly, that's really my only disappointment with the car. I love it otherwise and I'll just switch to all seasons in the fall.

Did you buy winter or all-season tires?

 

[AirQuality]

The Michelin PS AS 4's work pretty well. They are slightly louder and less grippy than the OEM Michelin PS EVs, which drive beautifully when the temperature is right. But the AS tires are a 95% solution. Good experience with those tires on other cars too. Can't really comment on range impact though - only had the OEMs on for ~200mi before switching.
Not a lot of options with the 265/45/20 tire size unfortunately. They could have picked a more common size.

This is helpful information, thank you for sharing. I have a 23 Pure AWD with the OEM PS EVs and am on the lookout for opinions on switching to the PS AS4s when the OEs wear out in a few months. There is no question about the ride, handling, and quietness of the OEs. But the lack of all season capability is a bit of a bummer for winter travel here in the Bay Area.

 

[AirQuality]

I've been told on this forum the Pure 20s come with all seasons, including by those who have them. However, when looking at the configurator on Lucid's website, it says the 20s are the same summer tires as what I have. I'm not sure how to assimilate this information. Either the owners are wrong, the configurator is wrong, or something has changed with the 2025 Pure 20s?

Can’t speak to the 2025 Pure, but I have a 23 Pure AWD and it came with the OE Michelin Pilot Sport EVs, which are summer tires. Fantastic ride/handling/road noise characteristics but not really meant for places that have four seasons or for travel to colder climates.

 

[Neurio]

Preach on. The way I found out that my Air Pure had summer performance tires was during the first snowfall in the Philly burbs. The car was like a sled and it was rather terrifying. I called Lucid about selling cars in the winter with summer tires without giving the buyer a heads-up. I was pretty blunt with them "If you continue to do this and you're aware that it poses a danger, someone will get hurt and Lucid will get sued."

Honestly, that's really my only disappointment with the car. I love it otherwise and I'll just switch to all seasons in the fall.

Does the Monroney label say what the tires are? If so, it was disclosed, even if not explicitly stated during the purchase process, and there likely would be no grounds for a lawsuit (but I'm not a lawyer).

 

[RMSko]

Does the Monroney label say what the tires are? If so, it was disclosed, even if not explicitly stated during the purchase process, and there likely would be no grounds for a lawsuit (but I'm not a lawyer).

All it says is “20” Aero Lite Stealth Wheels”. They should at least add the word “summer” in that description. There is no way that a consumer should be expected to know that those are summer only tires based on that description. It’s crazy that Lucid doesn’t disclose this. IMO the default tire in the northeast should clearly be all-season and not summer tires. I wonder how many people are driving around with these summer tires without even realizing it.

 

[LuHart]

No all-weather markings and so I think they are just summer, which in NJ is ridiculous. I already have a call into them. They really shouldn’t be selling these tires in the northeast, at least without first telling the customer.

BTW - is it just the tires that would need to be swapped out, or would the rims also need to be swapped out?

If you buy 20" all seasons you would not need to switch rims. I am in the snowy northeast and had summer tires on my Lucid GT. I purchased All seasons and they are fine -- they handle the icy conditions and snow ok, but they ride a little rougher, don't handle as well and the range is reduced.

 

[RMSko]

If you buy 20" all seasons you would not need to switch rims. I am in the snowy northeast and had summer tires on my Lucid GT. I purchased All seasons and they are fine -- they handle the icy conditions and snow ok, but they ride a little rougher, don't handle as well and the range is reduced.

Which did you buy?

 

[newlucidguy]

If you buy 20" all seasons you would not need to switch rims. I am in the snowy northeast and had summer tires on my Lucid GT. I purchased All seasons and they are fine -- they handle the icy conditions and snow ok, but they ride a little rougher, don't handle as well and the range is reduced.

@RMSko you can also get a set of 19" wheels (rims) with all season or winter tires and just have them swapped in full each season. Some prefer the 19s in winter due to their ability to handle inevitable potholes better with less chance of damage. It's a bit more cost and effort. I'm just going to go with the Michelin all seasons on the 20's in the fall and put the summer tires back on if needed just before my lease return. Need to be more careful to avoid potholes given the low profile of the 20s. Be sure not to drive in any snow or ice (or very cold) with the summer tires on.

 

[RMSko]

@RMSko you can also get a set of 19" wheels (rims) with all season or winter tires and just have them swapped in full each season. Some prefer the 19s in winter due to their ability to handle inevitable potholes better with less chance of damage. It's a bit more cost and effort. I'm just going to go with the Michelin all seasons on the 20's in the fall and put the summer tires back on if needed just before my lease return. Need to be more careful to avoid potholes given the low profile of the 20s. Be sure not to drive in any snow or ice (or very cold) with the summer tires on.

Thanks. I only have an 18 month lease and so I’m not sure it makes sense to pay the $2k for basically one winter. I only drive about 5k miles/year and so for me I may just use the summer tires. Interestingly, when I picked the car up in PA two weeks ago, it was sleeting and snowing and I drove the car 90 miles and there were no issues and the car drove fine. At the time I had no idea I was driving with summer tires and it’s kind of crazy that the salesman let me out the door without even telling me.

 

[newlucidguy]

Thanks. I only have an 18 month lease and so I’m not sure it makes sense to pay the $2k for basically one winter. I only drive about 5k miles/year and so for me I may just use the summer tires. Interestingly, when I picked the car up in PA two weeks ago, it was sleeting and snowing and I drove the car 90 miles and there were no issues and the car drove fine. At the time I had no idea I was driving with summer tires and it’s kind of crazy that the salesman let me out the door without even telling me.

agree on not spending on an 18 month lease! I'm sure it wasn't the sales person's fault .. they are probably told not to say anything. maybe even for legal reasons (if they say to you and not others, what happens if another is hurt etc and they sue for inconsistent warnings etc). they 'hide behind' it's the way the car is shipped to them. I was aware of it and when I asked in advance, my sales guy in CA (AZ?) said he's seen requests before to deliver the car with all seasons but they don't do that. As to why, that's not clear - performance characteristics of the 20's, complexity they can't handle as they don't know where the car will eventually be sold, EPA ratings that were probably done on summer tires, 'exclusive' arrangement with the tire OEM ... not sure. just glad you didn't have any issues! the summers are useless on the snow / ice - last week (1.5 weeks ago?) I was spinning my tires just in my slightly sloped driveway. fortunately I have a different car I can drive in the snow and will wait until I have more miles on the supplied tires before removing them late this year before next winter. also be aware that in the very cold, they may not grip the road as well, most likely no issues from that although beware your stopping distances might increase which could be a factor if you have to stop / swerve very suddenly (accident prevention etc).

 

[RMSko]

Thanks for the above! I’m a general counsel for a very large company and if I was their internal lawyer there is no doubt I would be telling them they should disclose this on the sticker and in the car’s online description. I haven’t researched this at all, but to me this really looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

The Volvo V70R series (1998-2006 ) came with Pirelli P-Zero Rosso summer performance tires. The wagons had a large window sticker with large bold print that said:

"YOU SHOULD NOT BUY THIS CAR IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SUMMER PERFORMANCE TIRES ARE".

It wasn't worded exactly that way, but it was a large notice on the driver's side window, that warned:

THESE TIRES ARE NOT TO BE USED IN TEMPS BELOW 40 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.

I have not seen these window stickers on cars since (~2006). It's not a big deal = driving a car with summer tires in winter is not just stupid, it's impossible.
So if you see these idiots off the road on the first turn or spinning at the bottom of the slightest grade, stop and piss on them. They won't learn but you probably need to piss anyway.

 

[newlucidguy]

Thanks for the above! I’m a general counsel for a very large company and if I was their internal lawyer there is no doubt I would be telling them they should disclose this on the sticker and in the car’s online description. I haven’t researched this at all, but to me this really looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Very interesting! Well, polestar did the same - performance 20" wheels were delivered with summer tires, even in the Northeast. I'm not really sure of the common denominator in all of this! From a common sense point of view, they should absolutely ensure the consumer acknowledges. Maybe it's just sales driven and that would add friction or reduce sales.

 

[FooFighter]

First time poster here.
I’m also looking at a 18-month lease. Lucid does mention the 20” wheels exclusively come with summer tires in their website but that information is not easy to find.

I’m in Illinois. The sales did tell me during my test drive that the 20” has summer tires. I was quite disappointed because I love the looks of them. He said they’re summer tires only because most Lucid buyers are in warmer climates like California and Arizona. I was like what…? It’s silly for them to even sell cars with 20” wheels here in the winter.

I don’t really like the look of the 19” unless they’re stealth. I’m also considering switching the 20”s to all seasons in the fall and switch back to the stock summers when the lease ends and sell the AS. It sounds like a hassle already.

 

[newlucidguy]

First time poster here.
I’m also looking at a 18-month lease. Lucid does mention the 20” wheels exclusively come with summer tires in their website but that information is not easy to find.

I’m in Illinois. The sales did tell me during my test drive that the 20” has summer tires. I was quite disappointed because I love the looks of them. He said they’re summer tires only because most Lucid buyers are in warmer climates like California and Arizona. I was like what…? It’s silly for them to even sell cars with 20” wheels here in the winter.

I don’t really like the look of the 19” unless they’re stealth. I’m also considering switching the 20”s to all seasons in the fall and switch back to the stock summers when the lease ends and sell the AS. It sounds like a hassle already.

get a longer lease, will reduce the hassle factor ! ;-) seriously though my prior car I swapped summer / AS twice to make sure I ran fully though the summers and then still had sufficient tread on my A/S at lease return. that was a hassle (and started to add up, and I didn't want my wheels (rims) damaged). but, one swap isn't terrible in the life of the lease. other approach would be to swap the summers off immediately and then see if the AS can be on the return and sell the summers as low mileage (although my be difficult to sell summers?). I asked Lucid whether they could deliver the car with any different tires even if I supply and the answer (as expected) was a clear no.

 

[MackWang]

I just sent a letter, although I doubt they will do anything. In t’s ridiculous that they don’t even disclose it. All they need to do is add the word “summer” to the tire description. I haven’t looked but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they are legally required to disclose. Fortunately my lease is only 18 months. While I love the car, the immaturity of the company is frustrating.

Did you buy winter or all-season tires?

No, I put off buying all seasons until the fall. Not much snow in Philly and we own a SUV.

 

[MackWang]

Thanks for the above! I’m a general counsel for a very large company and if I was their internal lawyer there is no doubt I would be telling them they should disclose this on the sticker and in the car’s online description. I haven’t researched this at all, but to me this really looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

If only Lucid would bring me on as GC...