Federal NEVI EV charger program cancelled

[Steveinarizona]

You probably know, but there are also four stations by the Fry's at Grayhawk. Only 150s but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

I didn't know they had opened them yet. But too remote with nothing to do while charging for me to use them.

 

[DeaneG]

Some more detailed info on the state of NEVI:

Trump Administration Move to Freeze E.V. Charger Funding Confounds States

Some have halted work on the Biden-era $5 billion program to build E.V. charging stations. Others plan to keep building. Most are confused.

www.nytimes.com

 

[borski]

All of you questionable b*tches, you do realize that Musk is on the same boat, right?

The “first buddy”? Yeah, right. Because this administration definitely would never throw a bone to one of their own.

(The last one would too, so don’t start engaging in any whataboutism)

 

[borski]

since this initiative was began a couple of years ago with I believe a $60 billion allocation of funding a total of FOUR fast charging units have been installed and operational. this is a prime example of government at work. if you want to rid the desert of sand create a government program to enhance sand in the desert.

This entire comment is false, from the amount of money allocated to how many charging units have been installed and operational.

Please see here, where the previous Secretary of Transportation educates both Donald Trump Jr and the “first buddy” about the same:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861213708896137467

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861213780220203028

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861213957144358934

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861214037435900357

The states *were* on track, and chargers had been deployed to 9 states. Now they’re definitely no longer on track.

 

[Lucken]

So of course the question is how much money had actually been spent on the chargers. It’s one thing for Petey to say $7.5 billion hasn’t been spent, but he deftly avoided saying how much has been spent. Likewise he also avoided saying how many chargers have been built. Saying they’re now in 9 states tells us absolutely nothing, it could be 9 chargers or 100. Question asked, answer avoided.

More government B.S. I don’t think anyone here would say the government, regardless of which party is in power, is your ‘go to’ entity for efficiency & speed, no matter what the project.

 

[Neurio]

So of course the question is how much money had actually been spent on the chargers. It’s one thing for Petey to say $7.5 billion hasn’t been spent, but he deftly avoided saying how much has been spent. Likewise he also avoided saying how many chargers have been built. Saying they’re now in 9 states tells us absolutely nothing, it could be 9 chargers or 100. Question asked, answer avoided.

More government B.S. I don’t think anyone here would say the government, regardless of which party is in power, is your ‘go to’ entity for efficiency & speed, no matter what the project.

Why is everything becoming so polarizingly political for you recently? I think we all get your political stance at this point. Let's just move on already...

 

[borski]

So of course the question is how much money had actually been spent on the chargers. It’s one thing for Petey to say $7.5 billion hasn’t been spent, but he deftly avoided saying how much has been spent. Likewise he also avoided saying how many chargers have been built. Saying they’re now in 9 states tells us absolutely nothing, it could be 9 chargers or 100. Question asked, answer avoided.

More government B.S. I don’t think anyone here would say the government, regardless of which party is in power, is your ‘go to’ entity for efficiency & speed, no matter what the project.

Sure, the government is inefficient. No argument there.

Luckily, NEVI provides funding to the *states* to plan and build EV infrastructure (after getting their plans approved by the Fed), so at best, your argument would be that the *states* are inefficient rather than the Fed. It is a state-driven program, intentionally.

Also, he did not avoid answering it. He literally linked to the answer, but of course the current administration has deleted all the data from the site, because apparently the data your tax dollars paid for is not yours anymore because of, I don’t know, whatever nonsense is the nonsense du jour. The mass deletion of public government data is a separate issue, but relevant here.

Anyway, here is the data on the approved plans from FY24: https://web.archive.org/web/2024112...ev_deployment_plans/index.cfm?format=list#map

As for how many came online? ~200 chargers around the country; largely because most states needed to get their plans approved, and that takes time to do right, since planning is kind of important for charging infrastructure and deploying a multi-billion dollar infrastructure bill. Putting all your chargers in one spot would be bad, as would not putting them in places where the neighboring states can access them, etc. The vast majority of chargers are (well, were) set to be built out in the second half of the decade.

Of the $5 billion authorized by NEVI, $3.27 billion has been obligated to all 50 states; Washington, D.C.; and Puerto Rico. Of that, roughly $615 million for almost 1,000 charging sites is under contract for construction.

But finding that data takes more effort than spouting inaccuracies, especially now that we’re just deleting whole swathes of data wholesale.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I swear I’ve never seen such whiney bratty arrogant entitled immature ignorant foolishness as some of the complainers on this forum. Like get over yourselves man. Yes the car isn’t perfect. And no you really do not know shit about how to actually manufacture and deliver a better car, even though so many talk like they do, don’t they ? And I guess you know how to run a government also. The discourse just gets dragged down anytime anyone brings up anything and it’s why I’m rarely ever on here anymore. God forbid someone enjoy all the amazing things about the car and the progress and developments being made and the very very hard working smart people who are doing that, when you can be Oscar The Grouch sitting in your trash can refusing to let the sunshine spoil your rain. The very fair admins on here aren’t going to ban you so I’m just gonna have to continue my exile instead and pop in occasionally to make an exasperated post like this. At least there’s a great community of lucid owners in the real world and a great family of Lucid employees who know better. And yes I know this is a politics thread but it’s funny how know it all attitudes about the car seem to fit these political shoes also.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I have been to both Rhode Island NEVI funded charging sites many many times, they’re great. There are 4 Chargepoint 320kw DCFC, 2 125kw DCFC and 4 6kw L2 chargers. This site and the one in southern Rhode Island are very busy as previously the only DCFC were an abysmal EA in a very sketchy Wal-Mart parking lot (seriously crackheads and broken glass everywhere), or a 100kw expensive EVGo. It’s definitely improved EV adoption in the state and it’s particularly useful for anyone wanting to travel through New England on I95 and charge on the way as both sites are immediately off the highway. So as an EV owner who has directly benefited from NEVI I am befuddled by any EV owners who are saying NEVI is a bad thing somehow. I guess it fits with the general sentiment here of pissing all over positivity.

 

[kort6776]

I have been to both Rhode Island NEVI funded charging sites many many times, they’re great. There are 4 Chargepoint 320kw DCFC, 2 125kw DCFC and 4 6kw L2 chargers. This site and the one in southern Rhode Island are very busy as previously the only DCFC were an abysmal EA in a very sketchy Wal-Mart parking lot (seriously crackheads and broken glass everywhere), or a 100kw expensive EVGo. It’s definitely improved EV adoption in the state and it’s particularly useful for anyone wanting to travel through New England on I95 and charge on the way as both sites are immediately off the highway. So as an EV owner who has directly benefited from NEVI I am befuddled by any EV owners who are saying NEVI is a bad thing somehow. I guess it fits with the general sentiment here of pissing all over positivity.

I don't think that anyone really believes installing more chargers is bad, what is bad is how poorly the execution of the program is.

 

[hmp10]

I don't know how there's any confusion about this. We are entering an era when the government will be working in myriad ways to slow or even reverse the movement toward less fossil-fueled energy generation. Remember that one of the rallying cries of Trump's recent presidential campaign was "drill, baby, drill." The administration has already moved to halt wind generation expansion. EV tax credits are disappearing while preferential tax treatment for oil-related enterprises will expand. The government will pull back from any encouragement or support of EV charging infrastructure. Environmental regulations regarding pollution and fuel efficiency are already being rolled back to encourage remaining with or returning to fossil-fuel use.

The great irony is that two of the world's most oil-dependent economies -- Saudi Arabia and the UAE -- are accelerating efforts to invest in and expand EV adoption in their own countries and elsewhere.

The brief moment in which American companies held the lead in EV technology as the world turned in that direction is already ebbing away with China's intensifying efforts. Thank goodness Lucid has the backing of the Saudis to stay in the technology leadership game as Detroit falls back into its old yeah-but-no-but-yeah-but-maybe rhythms.

 

[xponents]

Why is everything becoming so polarizingly political for you recently? I think we all get your political stance at this point. Let's just move on already...

Huh? That seemed like a relatively well-rounded take to me... his "broader take" criticized BOTH parties there, and I think we all agree with the fact that the government isn't very efficient (although in this context, as @borski explained, that isn't very relevant). I do completely agree with every part of @borski 's response, especially that he actually did answer it and that this is more on the states, but I also somewhat agree with the last sentence in @Lucken 's response.

There's nothing wrong with liking/disliking certain aspects of both parties, even if you may slightly "lean" one way or the other! That's why I agreed with one part of his response and disagreed with the other, but I still think there's nothing "polarizingly political" about his reply. He didn't even bring up parties...

 

[hmp10]

I don't think that anyone really believes installing more chargers is bad, what is bad is how poorly the execution of the program is.

From January 2021 to December 2024 the number of public EV charging ports roughly tripled from 17,192 to 50,842, with that rate of expansion accelerating as NEVI funding came online beginning late in 2021.

During that same time period the number of Tesla charging ports slightly more than tripled from 20,000 to 65,800.

Tesla was one company dealing with the technical issues of charging one brand of vehicle. NEVI involved 40 states dealing with many vendors and interfaces with many vehicle brands.

I'm not seeing any huge difference here in how fast public charging infrastructure expanded and how fast Tesla private charging infrastructure expanded as they tried to keep pace with sales expansion.

 

[kort6776]

From January 2021 to December 2024 the number of public EV charging ports roughly tripled from 17,192 to 50,842, with that rate of expansion accelerating as NEVI funding came online beginning late in 2021.

During that same time period the number of Tesla charging ports slightly more than tripled from 20,000 to 65,800.

Tesla was one company dealing with the technical issues of charging one brand of vehicle. NEVI involved 40 states dealing with many vendors and interfaces with many vehicle brands.

I'm not seeing any huge difference here in how fast public charging infrastructure expanded and how fast Tesla private charging infrastructure expanded as they tried to keep pace with sales expansion.

AFAIK just about all of those units were privately funded. can you tell me how many of those newly installed chargers were funded by the government's scheme?

 

[DeaneG]

AFAIK just about all of those units were privately funded. can you tell me how many of those newly installed chargers were funded by the government's scheme?

It doesn't matter. What matters is how many were in progress, and would have been funded, and likely won't be now.

As I mentioned previously, installing EV charging stations is a multi-year process. The IRA is 2.5 years old. States were asked to make proposals, those proposals were evaluated, states received funding allocations, states collected bids, evaluated bids, awarded contracts using a combination of federal money and their own. Then the 1-3 year process of permitting and installing charging stations began.

 

[Batteryman]

Trump just canceled the federal NEVI EV charger program

Trump's FHWA has issued a memo ordering states to suspend all state EV infrastructure deployment plans under the NEVI Formula Program.

electrek.co

MMW, Elmo will pull 3rd party NACS support away from other manufacturers next.

Elmo won't...they can't backtrack on contracts. Tesla will get sued and will lose. I'm sure their is a clause which stipulates access cannot be withdrawn. Manufacturers wouldn't have gone this route if there wasn't.

 

[Batteryman]

I don't think that anyone really believes installing more chargers is bad, what is bad is how poorly the execution of the program is.

Gov works slow...this is expected. What really makes this bad is the Trump administration tearing everything down, gutting whole Gov departments, deleting data. Expect this to continue for another 2 years till the midterms when they will be trashed. Its one thing reversing programs, deleting data and firing whole departments is on another level, and that to against the law.

This is going to backfire bigtime...but Trump doesn't care, he is out in 4 years.

Meanwhile the US auto industry falls behind the rest of the world and lets China dominate...the price we pay for a cluless self absorbed adminsitration....Detroit is stuck between a roack and a hardplace.

aEvery Gov organisation works slow...especially when we have alternate parties in power who pull is in two different ways.

 

[hmp10]

AFAIK just about all of those units were privately funded. can you tell me how many of those newly installed chargers were funded by the government's scheme?

Q4 2024 NEVI quarterly update · Joint Office of Energy and Transportation

The National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program continues to grow. Learn about the latest EV charging station progress and conditional NEVI awards.

driveelectric.gov

 

[DeaneG]

Q4 2024 NEVI quarterly update · Joint Office of Energy and Transportation

The National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program continues to grow. Learn about the latest EV charging station progress and conditional NEVI awards.

driveelectric.gov

Odd, it looks like a well-organized program rather than a "scheme"

 

[hmp10]

Every Gov organisation works slow...especially when we have alternate parties in power who pull is in two different ways.

What so many people have forgotten is that democratic government works slowly by design, going all the way back to the Founding Fathers in this country. Democratic government is by definition an exercise in taking input from across a wide array of interests and views and then forging compromises that, while not always enthusiastically embraced by all parties, at least moves the ball forward on an issue. It's one of the main reasons the U.S. Senate, in particular, evolved a set of procedural rules early on that were meant to slow down action and make it the most deliberative body in our structure.

Starting with the Reagan administration, a new line of thought emerged with the "unitary executive" theory, arguing that the pace of events in modern times is not amenable to the timelines of more deliberative and collaborative action and dictates that the President be vested with power to act unilaterally over a much wider range than envisaged by the Founders. This theory has been embraced more by conservative Justices, despite their claims to be "originalists" in interpreting the Constitution. It's probably the main reason SCOTUS has thrown out the historical concept that no government officer is above the law to embrace the notion that the President has immunity from criminal prosecution for any official acts that might have violated the law.

Bill Barr was among the notable proponents of this theory in Trump's first administration. But many of the people more behind the scenes, especially in the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation, are of the unitary executive bent, and the Project 2025 work is imbued with it.

What we are seeing right now is a President who won less that 50% of the popular vote seize the moment to move our form of government quickly and decisively from its philosophical moorings and convert it into one of a unitary executive. However, where the original thinking of the unitary executive theory was grounded in the perceived need to act more quickly given the pace of the modern world, it has been distorted into a theory that gives the presidency the power to operate without consensus in any realm, including the ideological, and in contravention of legislative mandates.

One of the ironies is that Republicans in Congress, who once guarded their powers and prerogative jealously in response to long stints of Democratic presidencies, have now acquiesced in turning the polity-making powers that the Founders invested in the legislative branch over to the executive branch with nary a whimper. They seem to be assuming that no one but a Republican will ever sit in the White House again.

And this, folks, is why it took some time to fashion the NEVI legislation and implement it but only minutes to destroy it.