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[Babyrocko1908]

Wait... but it is!(just joking, but I do have a XSX!)

Well of course it is!!

 

[Babyrocko1908]

Objection; relevance

Your Honor, I'm attempting to establish the superiority of some systems and devices over others.

 

[Bobby]

It really depends on how entrenched you are in android. I’m a day one iPhone user so I am pretty entrenched in iOS. I use alot of google services on iOS and find the apps to be quite good. The Lucid CarPlay implementation is mediocre, but for me has definitely increased my satisfaction with the car.

The Lucid CarPlay system is standard. A few select vehicles actually have a second display but most implement it exactly as Lucid has.

 

[Bill55]

The Lucid CarPlay system is standard. A few select vehicles actually have a second display but most implement it exactly as Lucid has.

I have car play in 4 other vehicles that all display navigation information on a second screen on the dash same as built in Nav and in 2 cases on heads up as well. 3 of those 4 are older model years than the Lucid. The Lucid implementation is on the smallest screen of the 5, is the only implementation that frequently fails to launch or stops working while on the road, and the only one not to use multiple screens. Relative to BMW, Mercedes, GMC, Honda, that makes it mediocre by comparison. Perhaps instead of labeling it as mediocre, I can say from experience it ranks 5 out of 5 systems I use on a regular basis.

 

[xponents]

I have car play in 4 other vehicles that all display navigation information on a second screen on the dash same as built in Nav and in 2 cases on heads up as well. 3 of those 4 are older model years than the Lucid. The Lucid implementation is on the smallest screen of the 5, is the only implementation that frequently fails to launch or stops working while on the road, and the only one not to use multiple screens. Relative to BMW, Mercedes, GMC, Honda, that makes it mediocre by comparison. Perhaps instead of labeling it as mediocre, I can say from experience it ranks 5 out of 5 systems I use on a regular basis.

I would assume BMW? Not really aware of any other brand that does it..

 

[joec]

I have car play in 4 other vehicles that all display navigation information on a second screen on the dash same as built in Nav and in 2 cases on heads up as well. 3 of those 4 are older model years than the Lucid. The Lucid implementation is on the smallest screen of the 5, is the only implementation that frequently fails to launch or stops working while on the road, and the only one not to use multiple screens. Relative to BMW, Mercedes, GMC, Honda, that makes it mediocre by comparison. Perhaps instead of labeling it as mediocre, I can say from experience it ranks 5 out of 5 systems I use on a regular basis.

It may be on the smallest screen, but it's the most logical screen, if you're only doing one.

Navigating from the larget Pilot Panel would be dangerous, given how far from the road your eyes need to be to read it.

CarPlay 2 will fix this. But I don't suspect Lucid will get there until sometime next year.

Some of your other cars, I'm guessing, will never be updatable to CarPlay 2.

 

[Bill55]

I would assume BMW? Not really aware of any other brand that does it..

BMW, Mercedes, GMC and Honda all display apple map turn by turn on dash.

 

[Bill55]

It may be on the smallest screen, but it's the most logical screen, if you're only doing one.

Navigating from the larget Pilot Panel would be dangerous, given how far from the road your eyes need to be to read it.

CarPlay 2 will fix this. But I don't suspect Lucid will get there until sometime next year.

Some of your other cars, I'm guessing, will never be updatable to CarPlay 2.

The other cars all show turn by turn on the dash in addition to CarPlay screen.

 

[idiot900]

The other cars all show turn by turn on the dash in addition to CarPlay screen.

There is plenty of space on the Lucid dash to do this, as we all know. As it stands I’m fine with the implementation but I’d never say it’s class leading.

 

[Bill55]

There is plenty of space on the Lucid dash to do this, as we all know. As it stands I’m fine with the implementation but I’d never say it’s class leading.

I hoping for a big UI update at some point. There are hundreds of great suggestions on this site. As you pointed out there is plenty of screen space.

 

[borski]

There is plenty of space on the Lucid dash to do this, as we all know. As it stands I’m fine with the implementation but I’d never say it’s class leading.

Nobody is arguing it’s class leading. It’s just standard.

Some other vehicles also put the directions on another screen, but most don’t; @Bill55 apparently likes cars that do. Cool. When CarPlay 2 is ready, this won’t be a concern.

 

[idiot900]

Nobody is arguing it’s class leading. It’s just standard.

Some other vehicles also put the directions on another screen, but most don’t; @Bill55 apparently likes cars that do. Cool. When CarPlay 2 is ready, this won’t be a concern.

Will Lucid put CarPlay 2 in our cars?

 

[Bobby]

I have car play in 4 other vehicles that all display navigation information on a second screen on the dash same as built in Nav and in 2 cases on heads up as well. 3 of those 4 are older model years than the Lucid. The Lucid implementation is on the smallest screen of the 5, is the only implementation that frequently fails to launch or stops working while on the road, and the only one not to use multiple screens. Relative to BMW, Mercedes, GMC, Honda, that makes it mediocre by comparison. Perhaps instead of labeling it as mediocre, I can say from experience it ranks 5 out of 5 systems I use on a regular basis.

Fact check: of the five screens in the car, the one currently used for CarPlay is the second largest.

 

[Bobby]

The other cars all show turn by turn on the dash in addition to CarPlay screen.

VW, Honda, Nissan, and BMW currently support this. I wish Lucid did.

 

[borski]

Will Lucid put CarPlay 2 in our cars?

I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

 

[idiot900]

I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

To expound on my point - it looks like a significant engineering effort that may not provide a sufficient ROI for this low-volume, flagrantly unprofitable carmaker. Plus it dilutes Lucid's branding in their own product.

On the other hand, I'd personally be thrilled if they did.

 

[borski]

To expound on my point - it looks like a significant engineering effort that may not provide a sufficient ROI for this low-volume, flagrantly unprofitable carmaker. Plus it dilutes Lucid's branding in their own product.

On the other hand, I'd personally be thrilled if they did.

What? It may be a significant engineering effort (I haven’t actually looked at what goes into it), but it doesn’t dilute Lucid’s branding; it’s a feature that was hotly requested and was released to much fanfare. I guarantee you they get far fewer calls about CarPlay now than before.

Especially if other manufacturers implement CarPlay 2, it would be bananas for Lucid not to.

 

[idiot900]

What? It may be a significant engineering effort (I haven’t actually looked at what goes into it), but it doesn’t dilute Lucid’s branding; it’s a feature that was hotly requested and was released to much fanfare. I guarantee you they get far fewer calls about CarPlay now than before.

The danger is that the car hardware becomes a fungible widget, with the user experience controlled by Apple. The OEMs lose control of their own product. Flawed though it may be, the Lucid infotainment UI is a huge part of the Lucid branding, and they'll lose that. If Apple decides not to play ball one day, or demands exorbitant licensing fees, the OEM is screwed. I can anticipate really liking CarPlay 2 and not wanting to buy a car without it.

An example of this line of thinking: https://robbreport.com/lifestyle/news/apple-carplay-scares-automakers-1234733424/

 

[borski]

The danger is that the car hardware becomes a fungible widget, with the user experience controlled by Apple. The OEMs lose control of their own product. Flawed though it may be, the Lucid infotainment UI is a huge part of the Lucid branding, and they'll lose that. If Apple decides not to play ball one day, or demands exorbitant licensing fees, the OEM is screwed. I can anticipate really liking CarPlay 2 and not wanting to buy a car without it.

An example of this line of thinking: https://robbreport.com/lifestyle/news/apple-carplay-scares-automakers-1234733424/

I totally understand the concept now, I see what you mean. I don’t think it will be an issue for Lucid, but I guess time will tell.

 

[joec]

The danger is that the car hardware becomes a fungible widget, with the user experience controlled by Apple. The OEMs lose control of their own product. Flawed though it may be, the Lucid infotainment UI is a huge part of the Lucid branding, and they'll lose that. If Apple decides not to play ball one day, or demands exorbitant licensing fees, the OEM is screwed. I can anticipate really liking CarPlay 2 and not wanting to buy a car without it.

An example of this line of thinking: https://robbreport.com/lifestyle/news/apple-carplay-scares-automakers-1234733424/

I've never understood this line of thinking.

No matter what Lucid decides to do with CarPlay 2, they have to continue to build and maintain an infotainment system for those who don't have iPhones or don't wish to use CarPlay. That work never ends just because a large number of customers use CarPlay. So Lucid branded OS is always going to be present and maintained.

Providing CarPlay is simply a matter of giving some customers a huge feature they want for little effort. Which is almost never a bad idea.

So if Apple ever decided to "demand licensing fees" (which also makes no sense given Apple's business model) Lucid could simply pull the plug on CarPlay and blame Apple. But that's never going to happen, so it's not a concern.

The companies like GM who are removing CarPlay are not doing so because they fear Apple will want to charge them licensing fees. They are doing it because Apple won't give them the data they want to charge YOU subscriptions to all sorts of nonsense. They want your eyeballs and attention, so they can upsell you on features. CarPlay acually protects you from that.