NACS (Tesla adapter) versus CCS Megathread

[CraZ8]

Here are some screen shots from Electrek indicating how Tesla will be adding a ccs adapter very shortly to new superchargers. The article says” imminent “

 

[Tâm]

Here are some screen shots from Electrek indicating how Tesla will be adding a ccs adapter very shortly to new superchargers. The article says” imminent “

Its picture is not clear. After I read the article I still couldn't figure out whether both the CCS and Tesla heads are in the same dock? 2 heads per dock already hooked up and waiting to be undocked. And depending on which one you want, you could leave the CCS up there while using the Tesla head alone or just take the whole Tesla head attached with the CCS from the dock for Lucid.

The tweet below has a better picture with CCS end instead of Tesla end. That means each stall can only be CCS or Tesla but not both. Once Tesla changes the cable, the dock will fit whichever cable it installs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616658481599086593

 

[DeaneG]

What I've read is that the "Magic Dock" in the corner contains a CCS converter that locks to the Tesla cable if the user selects CCS via the app. If not, the Tesla cable is used as normal and the CCS converter stays in the dock.

These were rumored to have already been installed at Hawthorne CA, but this was incorrect.

 

[HC_79]

Still limited to 50Kw on V3 chargers. It sure when V4 chargers are going to show up which are rumored to be 1000v

 

[Tâm]

What I've read is that the "Magic Dock" in the corner contains a CCS converter that locks to the Tesla cable if the user selects CCS via the app. If not, the Tesla cable is used as normal and the CCS converter stays in the dock...

Yes. That's what I read but that's not what I see. There's no picture showing both the Tesla head and the CCS together at the same time at the Magic Dock.

There are pictures showing the Magic Dock can only accommodate 1 head, not 2 at the same time.

 

[Tesla2.0]

unless that charging cable can extend, it is a challenge as many manufacturers have various location of CCS docking port.

 

[Tâm]

unless that charging cable can extend, it is a challenge as many manufacturers have various location of CCS docking port.

Correct.

It has happened in Europe. Short cables don't reach many cars.

 

[DeaneG]

Yes. That's what I read but that's not what I see. There's no picture showing both the Tesla head and the CCS together at the same time at the Magic Dock.

There are pictures showing the Magic Dock can only accommodate 1 head, not 2 at the same time.

My take was that the CCS adapter fits inside the magic dock, and either stays in the dock (for tesla charging), or comes out locked to the cable (for CCS charging). An adapter that can't be stolen - it is always locked to the dock or to the cable. The adapter is inside the dock on the first rendering on this thread (CraZ8's).

 

[CraZ8]

My take was that the CCS adapter fits inside the magic dock, and either stays in the dock (for tesla charging), or comes out locked to the cable (for CCS charging). An adapter that can't be stolen - it is always locked to the dock or to the cable. The adapter is inside the dock on the first rendering on this thread (CraZ8's).

That’s how I took it but yes more pics detailing this would help

 

[Lucken]

If this actually comes to pass, I can't wait to see the glares from Tesla owners who will now have to wait for non-Tesla EVs to finish charging.

 

[joec]

My guess is they'll keep the short cables and 50 kWh limitations, at least in the short term. That way, most non-Tesla owners will find the Superchargers impractical and move on to other options. Meanwhile Tesla will still collect the subsidy money. Win-win for Tesla.

 

[borski]

My guess is they'll keep the short cables and 50 kWh limitations, at least in the short term. That way, most non-Tesla owners will find the Superchargers impractical and move on to other options. Meanwhile Tesla will still collect the subsidy money. Win-win for Tesla.

Page 26 says if they want federal money they have to be, at minimum, 150kW: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environmen...nations/90d_nevi_formula_program_guidance.pdf

 

[joec]

Page 26 says if they want federal money they have to be, at minimum, 150kW: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environmen...nations/90d_nevi_formula_program_guidance.pdf

I guess what I mean is that for higher-voltage cars like our Airs, they would be limited to 50kW. On Teslas they get up to 250 already. So they are in compliance, technically?

Do they need to deliver 150 to ANY car? Or just some cars?

 

[Tâm]

Do they need to deliver 150 to ANY car?

Sounds right.
Any car with ccs 150 kw compliance minimum.

If those cars are not ccs 150kw compliant then it's the car's fault.

Or just some cars?

Doesn't sound right

 

[joec]

The way I'm reading it, each port on the charger needs to be capable of delivering 150 kW, which existing Tesla chargers do. If your car can't take 150 due to voltage or other factors, that doesn't seem to matter here.

 

[borski]

The way I'm reading it, each port on the charger needs to be capable of delivering 150 kW, which existing Tesla chargers do. If your car can't take 150 due to voltage or other factors, that doesn't seem to matter here.

Right, but the lucid air can, so they’d have to deliver the 150 at least.

 

[HC_79]

The way I'm reading it, each port on the charger needs to be capable of delivering 150 kW, which existing Tesla chargers do. If your car can't take 150 due to voltage or other factors, that doesn't seem to matter here.

Yeah, I'm reading it the same. As long as the CHARGER can deliver 150Kw then funding is secured. It won't be an issue for all the 400v cars but will just be limited to those of us with 800v+ architecture. I think the Taycan is the only one that can do 100Kw on 400v (via an inverter upgrade)

 

[HC_79]

LOL...... EA is screwed! No funding for them . They're pushing for it to be changed to location level.

"Achieve a high-level of reliability (>97 percent at the individual station level)"

 

[smistry007]

so how do we go about accessing the Tesla supercharging stations? Download the Tesla app and sign up?

 

[Tâm]

so how do we go about accessing the Tesla supercharging stations? Download the Tesla app and sign up?

That is what the Europe is doing right now. I don’t think that will change in the US.