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ZR1X vs. Sapphire (TL;DW: Sapphire takes the win)

Don’t forget about minimal driveline loss for the Sapphire vs roughly 10% for the Corvette. I’ve driven a ZR1-not a X-and it felt very fast for a production car. The way the Sapphire pulls away is impressive.
 
TahoeMichael said:
Keep in mind that HP is a lousy way to characterize motor performance, as it's just reported as a peak number.
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… as is straight line performance, especially for Corvette. The Corvette would brake later for the first turn, take it at a higher speed and be headed out of the turn under power long before the Sapphire had completed the turn.

Different cars for different purposes. But, totally fun to cheer on the Sapphire - it is absolutely phenomenal what an electric performance car can do! Take 1200 pounds out of the Sapphire and imagine the braking and cornering improvements! Auto racing will be changed forever, once batteries get lighter…

Dream Ahead!
 
tmichael said:
… as is straight line performance, especially for Corvette. The Corvette would brake later for the first turn, take it at a higher speed and be headed out of the turn under power long before the Sapphire had completed the turn.

Different cars for different purposes. But, totally fun to cheer on the Sapphire - it is absolutely phenomenal what an electric performance car can do! Take 1200 pounds out of the Sapphire and imagine the braking and cornering improvements! Auto racing will be changed forever, once batteries get lighter…

Dream Ahead!
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This is why I can't wait to see these two tangle on an Edmunds U-Drag. If you are not familiar please check it out. They're all over YouTube. Cars race a quarter mile, have to brake hard and maneuver around pylons and race back to where they started. Requires acceleration, braking, handling, and speed recovery. Last time I looked, the car at the top of the leaderboard was...


Sapphire

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Actually, let's look at the Top 25...

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tmichael said:
… as is straight line performance, especially for Corvette. The Corvette would brake later for the first turn, take it at a higher speed and be headed out of the turn under power long before the Sapphire had completed the turn.

Different cars for different purposes. But, totally fun to cheer on the Sapphire - it is absolutely phenomenal what an electric performance car can do! Take 1200 pounds out of the Sapphire and imagine the braking and cornering improvements! Auto racing will be changed forever, once batteries get lighter…

Dream Ahead!
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The thing is Lucid has the tech to do this from Formula-E. They choose to also chase the 427 mi EPA range and keep the batteries similar to the standard Air from a pack arrangement. Look at the Luce, it has barely 300 mile EPA range. If they only went for shorter range and higher power cell they could easily take 500 lbs out....
 
Takeshi said:
ZR1X vs. Sapphire (TL;DW: Sapphire stays ahead.)


When you factor in the curb weight, the Sapphire carries at least a 1,200-pound penalty compared to the ZR1X. By all metrics, it should be at a slight disadvantage. Yet, seeing it consistently stay ahead makes me think Lucid is heavily sandbagging the Sapphire's performance figures. Curious to hear what everyone else thinks!

Dear Lucid may we know the real horsepower numbers?
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I doubt they are sandbagging HP numbers. The biggest advantage the Sapphire has is the much better traction control. Neither of those cars is putting down full HP until well down the track.
Also, it was a very hot day which favors the Lucid.
 
Mr.Quindazzi said:
I doubt they are sandbagging HP numbers. The biggest advantage the Sapphire has is the much better traction control. Neither of those cars is putting down full HP until well down the track.
Also, it was a very hot day which favors the Lucid.
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Actually Peter Rawlinson said it puts out more than 1,234 HP but he said it's not illegal to misquote the figure as long as you understate it... and 1-2-3-4 is a memorable number so that's what he directed they use. Now how much it actually has, I don't know, but Lucid knows it's more.
 
Solomente said:
Actually Peter Rawlinson said it puts out more than 1,234 HP but he said it's not illegal to misquote the figure as long as you understate it... and 1-2-3-4 is a memorable number so that's what he directed they use. Now how much it actually has, I don't know, but Lucid knows it's more.
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This exactly. The question is, is it slightly understated, as in rounding effect, or is it the BMW / Porsche level of understating where unmodded cars from the factory dyno test (output at the wheels) higher than the rated hp (measured at the crankshaft)?
 
martinjlm said:
This exactly. The question is, is it slightly understated, as in rounding effect, or is it the BMW / Porsche level of understating where unmodded cars from the factory dyno test (output at the wheels) higher than the rated hp (measured at the crankshaft)?
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I suspect the latter, but am not certain.
 
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