Who else is pissed off about Lucid's updates?

[quantum]

Comparing early Windows 3.11. (or so) and latest Lucid's OTA. Which one is worse?
From the outsider side, not a member of this fabulous forum, why would anyone purchase the car?
I know, the hardware is excellent, and the software is for shit.
Enough of soft ball playing on this site, trying to make excuses, I'm tried of playing this game.
Lucid's game.

Are we that gullible?
And Lucid, are you that trustworthy?
Lucid, you better shape up, or...go under.

Actually I'm impressed with the continuous improvement.

Do you realize Tesla doesnt have a 360 degree camera, poorer parking distance visualization, no blindspot warning/ proper camera, no rear cross detection, poor wiper climate/controls,no applr carplay...I can go on....

Give credit where its due, with recent improvements, Lucid is has among the best in car software. Imagine going to the dealer and dropping the car off for a few hours for an update...Taycan! Your lucky Lucid updates OTA.

great job Lucid....keep going at it....slowly and surely will get there. Software is ALWAYS a work in progress.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Oh yeah they need to make the “hands on the wheel” alert with Highway Assist less sensitive, and the LiDAR blocked error any time there’s rain or mist is a problem. Those are minor annoyances though.

Yesterday I got “Front camera blocked” warning for the first time on a very sunny day. However, front camera still displays fine with nothing obvious blocking. This reminds me of “LiDar blocked” on a rainy day. Usually a parking reset will have these minor annoyances go away.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Yesterday I got “Front camera blocked” warning for the first time on a very sunny day. However, front camera still displays fine with nothing obvious blocking. This reminds me of “LiDar blocked” on a rainy day. Usually a parking reset will have these minor annoyances go away.

I’ve gotten that two times if the sun hits the camera at just the right angle, the error went away when I parked the vehicle and came back.

 

[thecodingart]

I’m going to eco the “what” comments?

 

[DeaneG]

I'm pleased with the recent OTA updates. I'm hoping it is the start of a transition toward a regular update cadence of substantive releases - a sign of a more mature development process.
FWIW, both our Volvo EV and our Model 3 have had follow-on bug fix releases soon after a major release. Or in the Volvo's case, after a minor release.

 

[blueice89]

Comparing early Windows 3.11. (or so) and latest Lucid's OTA. Which one is worse?
From the outsider side, not a member of this fabulous forum, why would anyone purchase the car?
I know, the hardware is excellent, and the software is for shit.
Enough of soft ball playing on this site, trying to make excuses, I'm tried of playing this game.
Lucid's game.

Are we that gullible?
And Lucid, are you that trustworthy?
Lucid, you better shape up, or...go under.

Very good software engineers cost a lot of money. We get mid tier at best. I work in a top tier company we are called FANG now if Lucid wants to match FANG salary then they can have top tier but they won’t so you get mid tier. I would not expect apple Netflix or even Google type quality for Lucid until you see real high salary. Unfortunate that’s the world the one thing I would say is a lot of the fang let go of good engineers lucid should do more recruit on the software side

 

[blueice89]

One thing I find a little odd is how stuff isn’t getting caught in earlier cycles like you don’t normally see 10 revisions for a minor. That’s like being in git and your code review hitting revision 8 and the coder pushing code over and over. There should be a bit stronger QA but I get it they are probably resource constrained. Their quickest feedback loop is probably us. I am still not super happy with the lock and unlock which seems like a simple thing to implement. They need geo map passive unlock. Hope they can do that.

 

[AirDoll]

Very good software engineers cost a lot of money. We get mid tier at best. I work in a top tier company we are called FANG now if Lucid wants to match FANG salary then they can have top tier but they won’t so you get mid tier. I would not expect apple Netflix or even Google type quality for Lucid until you see real high salary. Unfortunate that’s the world the one thing I would say is a lot of the fang let go of good engineers lucid should do more recruit on the software

I think you’re making a lot of unfair implications and accusations.

 

[blueice89]

I think you’re making a lot of unfair implications and accusations.

Maybe but I work in the industry and hire and develop the best software engineers for a living.

 

[joec]

Maybe but I work in the industry and hire and develop the best software engineers for a living.

I know plenty of FANG employees. Have worked with a number of them. Plenty of smart people there, for sure. They also have their fair share of bozos, as Steve Jobs would have put it. Just like any other group of people.

You think any company “magically” only hires top-notch people? Take a closer look around your peers. And as they say, if you can’t spot the dummy…

Also, having the “smartest” people doesn’t always lead to the best results, anyway.

Some of the best developers I know have never taken a job at any of these companies. They just pick up contracts to fix their messes.

 

[blueice89]

I know plenty of FANG employees. Have worked with a number of them. Plenty of smart people there, for sure. They also have their fair share of bozos, as Steve Jobs would have put it. Just like any other group of people.

You think any company “magically” only hires top-notch people? Take a closer look around your peers. And as they say, if you can’t spot the dummy…

Also, having the “smartest” people doesn’t always lead to the best results, anyway.

Some of the best developers I know have never taken a job at any of these companies. They just pick up contracts to fix their messes.

I think FAnG companies have much stricter standards to performance just my general opinion. There are so many people that wish to work for FAnG that lower performance is not tolerated maybe as long as at other companies.
You are right some folks work as contractors and make pretty good money this way. I have not seen many of these types in fang more like banks and defense. Code review is better at fang, over all development process and access to tools like third party software development and speed to production and quality Control is better. I have worked for both fang and non fang. But this is what I have seen it sounds like you have seen different.

 

[blueice89]

I think FAnG companies have much stricter standards to performance just my general opinion. There are so many people that wish to work for FAnG that lower performance is not tolerated maybe as long as at other companies.
You are right some folks work as contractors and make pretty good money this way. I have not seen many of these types in fang more like banks and defense. Code review is better at fang, over all development process and access to tools like third party software development and speed to production and quality Control is better. I have worked for both fang and non fang. But this is what I have seen it sounds like you have seen different.

I think most us would agree Apple is one of the top software and hardware companies and something Lucid is striving to be like so shouldn’t they pay as much as Apple wouldn’t that make sense ?

 

[blueice89]

I think most us would agree Apple is one of the top software and hardware companies and something Lucid is striving to be like so shouldn’t they pay as much as Apple wouldn’t that make sense ?

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So the senior engineer at Lucid is 200k level in Newark and the senior engineer apple is 360k level it’s about a double in pay:

 

[blueice89]

So the senior engineer at Lucid is 200k level in Newark and the senior engineer apple is 360k level it’s about a double in pay:

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In comparison to Tesla :

 

[nadecir]

Criticism without specifics is not helpful to Lucid. If you are going to be critical, provide specific details and be constructive. Lucid software has improved over time, but there's certainly plenty of room for improvement for Lucid vehicle software development.

For example, I think we can all agree that Lucid can be do better in providing more detail with software release notes. Why is Lucid unwilling to provide more software release details? Is it because Lucid is not transparent with big fixes because they are unwilling to disclose bugs? Being obscure in the release notes does not increase customer confidence.

In terms of software features, Lucid development lags behind many EV and ICE vehicle manufacturers. IMHO, they shouldn't try to catch up by trying to develop feature by feature internally. You are always behind with this mentally.

For any company in its early stages that is struggling in terms of cash flow, Lucid might be wise to focus its investment on its competitive strength (vehicle hardware). It might be wise to find outside help to build a level of vehicle software that would make it feature and quality comparable to the other manufacturers. Perhaps a software development partner would be a big step in the right direction.

 

[blueice89]

Every major software release I have seen done by Lucid has resulted in revisions over the coming days. This is not a great sign of software development in my humble opinion. Is the test case not exhaustive enough to catch simple things. Just recently they have this whole rear and entry exit thing.

Here are some examples that made my shake my head:
1) Scheduled charging release (one of their first major features to release), it does not work in first release, they have to patch it once customers say its not working.
Like this had to be a very basic software update here, you set a timer and some settings and it charges, its evident to me the QA lacked here.

2) Recent update: 10 revisions, why did we need 10 revisions, although the public say .3, .7, and .10, again another sign that the QA and testing of the feature is just not as robust as it should be.

Tell me how many software companies release that many revisions to the public. I guess Tesla FSD is close, but at least they're very blatant about it.

I am probably being a bit harsh, and being in the industry I have a very high standard for software that gets released, under my watch, these things would not be released.

 

[blueice89]

Criticism without specifics is not helpful to Lucid. If you are going to be critical, provide specific details and be constructive. Lucid software has improved over time, but there's certainly plenty of room for improvement for Lucid vehicle software development.

For example, I think we can all agree that Lucid can be do better in providing more detail with software release notes. Why is Lucid unwilling to provide more software release details? Is it because Lucid is not transparent with big fixes because they are unwilling to disclose bugs? Being obscure in the release notes does not increase customer confidence.

In terms of software features, Lucid development lags behind many EV and ICE vehicle manufacturers. IMHO, they shouldn't try to catch up by trying to develop feature by feature internally. You are always behind with this mentally.

For any company in its early stages that is struggling in terms of cash flow, Lucid might be wise to focus its investment on its competitive strength (vehicle hardware). It might be wise to find outside help to build a level of vehicle software that would make it feature and quality comparable to the other manufacturers. Perhaps a software development partner would be a big step in the right direction.

Your idea makes a lot of sense:
Focus on their bench strength (powertrain, battery, inverter, hardware ev mechanics of the car)
Take in help for their software side, rather than they to re-invent the wheel.

 

[idiot900]

I think Lucid's infotainment software is a solid Windows 2000/XP.

 

[blueice89]

I think Lucid's infotainment software is a solid Windows 2000/XP.

XP was one of the greatest window releases

 

[GEWC]

I think most us would agree Apple is one of the top software and hardware companies and something Lucid is striving to be like so shouldn’t they pay as much as Apple wouldn’t that make sense ?

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When Lucid has the kind of presense and market share as Apple, then no doubt salaries will be higher. One has to take into account the specific circumstances of each company. Do you think Apple employees were making close to that before the company was turning huge profts?