The Long Goodbye

Only issue with Gravity is the keyfob . . . .

Not so.

I wouldn't base my car buying decision on a few posters who had a bad experience. Every manufacturer has those.

A few posters with problems does not have an entire software team in the office on a Mother's Day Sunday.

Lucid has reorganized their entire software effort, including turning over some of its leadership. They are adding quality assurance protocols, including AI code checking, that were not in place before. They have switched to a different platform architecture.

This is not how a company responds to just a few stray software problems from a few customers.
 
Depends on who's copying who. Some of the software in the Tesla came from the days when Lotus was driving that boat. Remember that Musk recruited Rawlinson because he knew him from Lotus. And when Rawlinson arrived at Tesla, the through out the whole Model S development program and started over -- except for the body shell, which Musk did not allow him to touch.

Lucid could not legally just copy Tesla software code. But every engineer at Lucid understood the role that software plays in modern cars and the role it was playing at Tesla.

I think the problem at Lucid is that they were attempting to move the needles on so many fronts at once -- efficiency, power density, space engineering, chassis development -- that they made an ill-fated choice to put UI software on the back burner for a while. The irony is that they actually did move to the front of the industry on every aspect they focused on but are now paying the price on the UI software front.
I agree with this take. At the expense of the UI experience, Lucid has at least set up the foundational work for everything else, especially with regards to efficiency, driving dynamics, and interior space. I'm no UI developer, but I can comment that I'm glad the foundational physical attributes have been set up well. With the foundations set, I can at least hope they can now devote more resources towards better UI and other user-facing software and experiences.
 
I think your view of that call is too cynical by half. Yes, it was a wise move. But I've spent enough years around corporate marketing efforts to know this call was not that.
I do not think it was merely a slick marketing call. And I do think it was a masterclass in direct marketing. For this to happen, many things had to fall in place that are not normal...
  1. He had to know you and your influence
  2. He had to know that this was an important time to make a call
  3. He had to know how to contact you
  4. He had to know what to say, and what not to say (and get MarCom blessing to allow you to post)
  5. And he had to take the time to make the call
This is evidence of a highly-aware organization that does what it needs to do to be successful. I do not think it was insincere at all, and it will (and probably has already had) a positive impact.
 
Depends on who's copying who. Some of the software in the Tesla came from the days when Lotus was driving that boat. Remember that Musk recruited Rawlinson because he knew him from Lotus. And when Rawlinson arrived at Tesla, the through out the whole Model S development program and started over -- except for the body shell, which Musk did not allow him to touch.

Lucid could not legally just copy Tesla software code. But every engineer at Lucid understood the role that software plays in modern cars and the role it was playing at Tesla.

I think the problem at Lucid is that they were attempting to move the needles on so many fronts at once -- efficiency, power density, space engineering, chassis development -- that they made an ill-fated choice to put UI software on the back burner for a while. The irony is that they actually did move to the front of the industry on every aspect they focused on but are now paying the price on the UI software front.
I always referred to the air (and specifically air GT because that's what I know but i'm sure it applies to all trims) as the anti-EV EV. Great handling dynamics, physical part of the car is amazing, good steering, amazing speed...but the software part holds it back. While most other EVs push and focus on software so much (albeit not always reliably, even outside Lucid) and the driving dynamics are completely numb or dead and even cars hundreds of lbs lighter than the air drive completely numb.
 
I do not think it was merely a slick marketing call. And I do think it was a masterclass in direct marketing. For this to happen, many things had to fall in place that are not normal...
  1. He had to know you and your influence
  2. He had to know that this was an important time to make a call
  3. He had to know how to contact you
  4. He had to know what to say, and what not to say (and get MarCom blessing to allow you to post)
  5. And he had to take the time to make the call
This is evidence of a highly-aware organization that does what it needs to do to be successful. I do not think it was insincere at all, and it will (and probably has already had) a positive impact.

A senior person at Lucid is a member of this forum, follows most of the discussions, and sometimes posts here. We exchanged emails just two days ago. I have had a lengthy Zoom call recently with this person about issues. I knew Zak Edson, the former head of Sales & Service, since early days and have recently corresponded with his successor. Other posters here have met Marc Winterhoff, the recent acting CEO, in person and brought up my experiences with him.

My only surprise in hearing from Mr. Dlala was that it was on a Mother's Day Sunday.

It was out of courtesy that I asked him if he would mind if I posted specifics of our call and his name. I did not need his permission, and I can assure you I would have otherwise communicated to the forum the gist of what he told me, just without his name and certain specifics.

I take the name of this forum -- the "Lucid Owners Forum" -- seriously and view its primary mission as allowing Lucid owners to share the whole range of their experiences with owning Lucids. On the infrequent occasions I discuss Lucid on the internet outside this forum, I withhold issues I have with our cars. But on this forum I intend to be candid, thorough, and occasionally a bit hyperbolic (some would say hysterical).

And I have long been impressed that Lucid follows this forum as closely as they do. I cannot imagine any other car company doing the extent of customer outreach for feedback I have seen from Lucid over the years.
 
Fair,
With respect to the door unlocking problem, do you think the problem is the FOB or in the car?
I don't like the Lucid FOBs. But I have a hard time seeing the FOB is the issue.
I'm not sure if the problem is the car or the FOB, but one thing is that removing the battery and reinserting the battery on the FOB seems to fix things (at least for a bit). So removing the battery is a bit like power cycling your PC when the PC locks up. So I'm wondering if the software on the FOB is the problem and the FOB won't communicate with the car and removing the battery in the FOB resets the FOB back to working.
 
Not so.



A few posters with problems does not have an entire software team in the office on a Mother's Day Sunday.

Lucid has reorganized their entire software effort, including turning over some of its leadership. They are adding quality assurance protocols, including AI code checking, that were not in place before. They have switched to a different platform architecture.

This is not how a company responds to just a few stray software problems from a few customers.
The problems are being solved, with good effect. You are talking about the past.

I understand you had a very bad experience but most don’t.
 
A senior person at Lucid is a member of this forum, follows most of the discussions, and sometimes posts here. We exchanged emails just two days ago. I have had a lengthy Zoom call recently with this person about issues. I knew Zak Edson, the former head of Sales & Service, since early days and have recently corresponded with his successor. Other posters here have met Marc Winterhoff, the recent acting CEO, in person and brought up my experiences with him.

My only surprise in hearing from Mr. Dlala was that it was on a Mother's Day Sunday.
This is a massive contrast to GM and Cadillac. I was on the Lucid wait list for around a year before I gave up and went a different direction. In the first coupe years of the Lyriq's life, it was a massive dumpster fire, with many software and hardware issues, including 12V failures that were stranding drivers. The software was so bad they could not do OTA, and even dealer updates were suspended for a time.

GM deployed a very bad AI bot to post to users with major problems on the most prominent Lyriq forum. It was an embarrassment.
 
The problems are being solved, with good effect. You are talking about the past.

I understand you had a very bad experience but most don’t.
Even if an issue that affects a small percentage of owners, it's still an important issue that needs to be addressed. Especially since Lucid will be moving towards higher and higher scale. The percentage may be small, but the raw numbers alone will become an issue.
 
The problems are being solved, with good effect. You are talking about the past.

I understand you had a very bad experience but most don’t.

If by the past you mean last evening, then yes, I am.

But you really should slog through the 20 pages of the "New Bugs Since 3.5.1" thread if you believe things are in the past. You might be surprised by just how many owners are reporting an increase in issues since that update -- something that Dlala confirmed yesterday is happening to many owners and the reason why.
 
I don't know Emad's technical background. Based on his early days at Lucid, I thought he was mostly a drive motor guy, kind of Rawlinson's clone. He came across very knowledgeable and passionate. I don't doubt his smarts. Glad he reached out to @hmp10.
They are very different people with very different backgrounds.
Now, he is basically all of engineering, HW and SW, correct?
Yes.
I hope he gets his arms around this mess real soon. I am concerned about all the talk about the lack-of computing headroom on both the Air and Gravity platforms. Seems like very poor (technical) planning. Upgrading the hardware is one solution. But is it the best approach?

With the roadmap of Air upgrading to UX 3.0 (which requires CCC2), lots of Gravity bug fixes, and the imminent arrival of the mid-size, can Lucid handle all of this stuff?
They’ll have to.

Also, in the longer term, Lucid's core competency and vantage over its competition is its hardware platform and efficiency. Having SW be the rate-limiting factor is a "self-mutilating" strategy. I heard recently fired their entire SW team. I presume they are rebuilding a new team. Is there time for that?
They did not fire their entire SW team, and they are aggressively hiring.
 
I think your view of that call is too cynical by half. Yes, it was a wise move. But I've spent enough years around corporate marketing efforts to know this call was not that.

Dlala was more candid on the call than my post about it might have conveyed. He spent zero time trying to make excuses. He told me that Lucid made a mistake in not putting more early-on focus on UI software. He told me that quality assurance procedures had been sorely lacking. He told me about issues they were seeing with some cars that I had not ever heard about. He confessed that there were problems with the HUD system that go beyond software, to the point that he has turned the system off in his own car. He told me that there were times he would drive the car but would not turn it over to his wife because of some of the problems we on the forum have experienced.

Throughout the rest of the day after the call, he texted me several times asking for more specifics and any photos, videos, or other information I could give him to help him run down issues. He texted me several times with follow-up questions. He has asked me to try to get a recording of one of the problems unique to our Lucids so his team could understand it better as they have never encountered it. (This relates to the fact that when any two of our Lucids are on the road at the same time, both lose the ability to play music without interruption even though they're playing from different sources. He said they were aware that two Lucids in the same household would experience the problem if they were both streaming from the same source, such as Tidal or Spotify. But they had never seen our problem where the cars are streaming from separate sources -- even from a USB stick.)

This was not a man who made a slick marketing call and then ascended back into the clouds. I have talked to a couple of people who know Dlala personally, and the man I heard on the call yesterday was the earnest, candid, and knowledgeable man they have described to me.
This jives with every conversation I’ve had with Emad. I have a massive amount of respect for him.
 
If by the past you mean last evening, then yes, I am.

But you really should slog through the 20 pages of the "New Bugs Since 3.5.1" thread if you believe things are in the past. You might be surprised by just how many owners are reporting an increase in issues since that update -- something that Dlala confirmed yesterday is happening to many owners and the reason why.
I think it is positive that Dlala connected with @hmp10. At a minimum, there is an acknowledgement they are aware of and working on the issues.

That said, Lucid needs to come clean soon about what's going on with Gravity's ramp, the 2026 volume/financial forecast, and Cosmo'. As it stands, I am not aware they have changed the Gravity's ramp per se and their financial forecast, and Cosmo is still "end-of-this year". And nothing has been said about the Service Centers. The "Stiff Upper Lip" approach can only carry you so far!

Perhaps I am behind in Lucid news. There is little doubt that Lucid's financial/2026 volume/Cosmo plans will all have to be reset. I presume the new CEO is sorting through it. Something has to give.
 
Not so.



A few posters with problems does not have an entire software team in the office on a Mother's Day Sunday.

Lucid has reorganized their entire software effort, including turning over some of its leadership. They are adding quality assurance protocols, including AI code checking, that were not in place before. They have switched to a different platform architecture.

This is not how a company responds to just a few stray software problems from a few customers.
Agreed. Moreover, it can be true simultaneously that Gravity software problems are overblown *and* that there are too many issues as an absolute number. It all depends on the stats, but either way, addressing it is the right thing to do.
 
The problems are being solved, with good effect. You are talking about the past.

I understand you had a very bad experience but most don’t.
There is a big difference between having the opinion that it’s overblown and sticking your head in the sand.

Overblown or not, for the people who have bad experiences, it’s a very bad experience.

Don’t be the ostrich.
 
I really like that Ehmad has contacted you @hmp10 and what has been conveyed. I would like to hear about service tho as well. How are they working to expand service? And not just CA but to the rest of the US and beyond as they plan to expand. If you could relay some of tjah to their team, or if their team is reading this, we'd like some reassurance on this as well. Cars are going to have issues and need repairs. We need to know that we won't be languishing for weeks or months waiting. So do perspective buyers.
 
I really like that Ehmad has contacted you @hmp10 and what has been conveyed. I would like to hear about service tho as well. How are they working to expand service? And not just CA but to the rest of the US and beyond as they plan to expand. If you could relay some of tjah to their team, or if their team is reading this, we'd like some reassurance on this as well. Cars are going to have issues and need repairs. We need to know that we won't be languishing for weeks or months waiting. So do perspective buyers.

I didn't get into this with Dlala as I don't think Service is under him.

But Lucid does see some of our posts here, so maybe "ask and ye shall be answered"?
 
I think your view of that call is too cynical by half. Yes, it was a wise move. But I've spent enough years around corporate marketing efforts to know this call was not that.

Dlala was more candid on the call than my post about it might have conveyed. He spent zero time trying to make excuses. He told me that Lucid made a mistake in not putting more early-on focus on UI software. He told me that quality assurance procedures had been sorely lacking. He told me about issues they were seeing with some cars that I had not ever heard about. He confessed that there were problems with the HUD system that go beyond software, to the point that he has turned the system off in his own car. He told me that there were times he would drive the car but would not turn it over to his wife because of some of the problems we on the forum have experienced.

Throughout the rest of the day after the call, he texted me several times asking for more specifics and any photos, videos, or other information I could give him to help him run down issues. He texted me several times with follow-up questions. He has asked me to try to get a recording of one of the problems unique to our Lucids so his team could understand it better as they have never encountered it. (This relates to the fact that when any two of our Lucids are on the road at the same time, both lose the ability to play music without interruption even though they're playing from different sources. He said they were aware that two Lucids in the same household would experience the problem if they were both streaming from the same source, such as Tidal or Spotify. But they had never seen our problem where the cars are streaming from separate sources -- even from a USB stick.)

This was not a man who made a slick marketing call and then ascended back into the clouds. I have talked to a couple of people who know Dlala personally, and the man I heard on the call yesterday was the earnest, candid, and knowledgeable man they have described to me.
This sounds like a real problem solver mindset. Hope his attitude trickles down and sets a new culture for the future.
 
The problems are being solved, with good effect. You are talking about the past.

I understand you had a very bad experience but most don’t.
No offense to @gaskiller intended; for me, naiveté, opinion stated as fact and statistics without sources limits my ability to rely on statements like this, regardless of the poster.
 
There is a big difference between having the opinion that it’s overblown and sticking your head in the sand.

Overblown or not, for the people who have bad experiences, it’s a very bad experience.

Don’t be the ostrich.
I think few people who had very bad experiences are extrapolating the same to a wider customer base, when that is not the case.

Yes, software needs improvements and they made progress.

Not downplaying their issues, I’d be pissed as well.
 
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