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Pressing the door handle issue

Pragmatic said:
If the car is unlocked, pressing the handle will wake the car, present the handle and allow you to open the door. No fob or phone needed.
At least it did on mine (2023 Pure AWD) until today. Now pressing the handle does nothing (all four doors). Even with a fob with fresh batteries. Without the phone I need to double click the fob to get in.
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Ah, I didn't think about if the was unlocked when parked. I always use walkaway lock so mine is always locked when I approach. Makes sense now.
 
BS8899 said:
I am amazed that you and I actually agreed on something about the Lucid! ;)

Now, let's go down another level:

> when you push on the outside door lever, does it send an ELECTRICAL SIGNAL that ACTUATES the MECHANICAL locking system?
OR
> when you push on the outside door lever, does it send AN ELECTRICAL SIGNAL TO THE COMPUTER to unlock?
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If you have a point, please make it. :)

I don’t really like playing “20 questions.”
 
Pragmatic said:
If the car is unlocked, pressing the handle will wake the car, present the handle and allow you to open the door. No fob or phone needed.
At least it did on mine (2023 Pure AWD) until today. Now pressing the handle does nothing (all four doors). Even with a fob with fresh batteries. Without the phone I need to double click the fob to get in.
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Mine is this way.

Also, the only way I have ever accessed the car after the first day I got it is by pressing the door handle
 
Pressing the door handle has never worked for me on my Air. The doors end up pressed in while I pull out my phone. Annoying, but I wouldn't wait for service to "fix" that.
 
borski said:
If you have a point, please make it. :)

I don’t really like playing “20 questions
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When one is debugging an unknown problem, one attempts to either prove or disprove a hypothesis. As such, there are indeed "20 questions" that are posed in order to get to the correct diagnosis.

As @dbs3233 stated, in order to make logical sense, pushing on the handle to affect an unlocking action only makes sense IF the car already sensed a valid ELECTRONIC unlocking signal (FOB, phone, or key card) but mechanically, the door lock is still asserted. That means the computer that decoded the ELECTRONIC signal failed to send the ELECTRICAL signal to the door lock mechanism to unlock.

Perhaps pushing on the handle restarts another cycle for the computer to decode the unlocking command (FOB, Phone, key card) and resend the unlocking command. As many of us experienced, sometimes pushing on the handle works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it takes multiple pushes to make it work.

It seems to me that the issue is not the FOB or the phone or the key card but resides in the computer.
 
BS8899 said:
When one is debugging an unknown problem, one attempts to either prove or disprove a hypothesis. As such, there are indeed "20 questions" that are posed in order to get to the correct diagnosis.

As @dbs3233 stated, in order to make logical sense, pushing on the handle to affect an unlocking action only makes sense IF the car already sensed a valid ELECTRONIC unlocking signal (FOB, phone, or key card) but mechanically, the door lock is still asserted. That means the computer that decoded the ELECTRONIC signal failed to send the ELECTRICAL signal to the door lock mechanism to unlock.

Perhaps pushing on the handle restarts another cycle for the computer to decode the unlocking command (FOB, Phone, key card) and resend the unlocking command. As many of us experienced, sometimes pushing on the handle works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it takes multiple pushes to make it work.

It seems to me that the issue is not the FOB or the phone or the key card but resides in the computer.
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I don't think it's an either/or situation here. More than one thing can be true. I'm fairly confident that my phone (galaxy s23) will sometimes/frequently not be "transmitting" the bluetooth signal all the time as the lucid app is designed to do. So, I frequently have to either wait (up to a minute) or pull my phone out of my pocket for the car to receive the signal. Sometimes, I actually have to unlock the app and in extreme cases, I have to open the lucid app. But, usually pulling it out of my pocket works and "wakes" the phone to send the signal to unlock the car.

The point is that it can be both the phone and the computer in my case.

I'm not as technical as many of you. So, I'm sure my wording is not accurate. But, that's the way I think about it in my little mind 🤷‍♂️
 
Halodde said:
I don't think it's an either/or situation here. More than one thing can be true. I'm fairly confident that my phone (galaxy s23) will sometimes/frequently not be "transmitting" the bluetooth signal all the time as the lucid app is designed to do. So, I frequently have to either wait (up to a minute) or pull my phone out of my pocket for the car to receive the signal. Sometimes, I actually have to unlock the app and in extreme cases, I have to open the lucid app. But, usually pulling it out of my pocket works and "wakes" the phone to send the signal to unlock the car.

The point is that it can be both the phone and the computer in my case.

I'm not as technical as many of you. So, I'm sure my wording is not accurate. But, that's the way I think about it in my little mind 🤷‍♂️
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Yes, I don't dismiss the possibility that BOTH the BT and the car computer can be problems. That said, my experience has been:

> I have two EVs, my 2022 AGT and my 2023 Rivian R1S parked next to each other in my garage.
> the Rivian has NEVER failed to unlock by my phone when I approach
> my AGT is a crap shoot, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

I am not saying above are CONCLUSIVE results that indicts the Lucid. But it strongly suggests to me it was not the Bluetooth.
 
Air GT 2022
I push the handle all the time to open ( I find it faster) but always have the FOB in pocket and the phone key is usually open as well in my pocket. I keep the auto unlock OFF annoying if just hanging near the car but I keep the Auto lock on which is great for just walking away
 
new owner said:
Air GT 2022
I push the handle all the time to open ( I find it faster) but always have the FOB in pocket and the phone key is usually open as well in my pocket. I keep the auto unlock OFF annoying if just hanging near the car but I keep the Auto lock on which is great for just walking away
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This doesn’t make sense. There’s no reason to have both. If you have the fob in your pocket, mobile key is completely unnecessary. And even if you don’t use the fob, mobile key is not reliant on the app being open. It is, however, somewhat reliant on the phone being awake, at least to operate more quickly.
 
Bobby said:
This doesn’t make sense. There’s no reason to have both. If you have the fob in your pocket, mobile key is completely unnecessary. And even if you don’t use the fob, mobile key is not reliant on the app being open. It is, however, somewhat reliant on the phone being awake, at least to operate more quickly.
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I’ve also never had a fob issue with the Air. It works perfectly 🤷
 
Bobby said:
This doesn’t make sense. There’s no reason to have both. If you have the fob in your pocket, mobile key is completely unnecessary. And even if you don’t use the fob, mobile key is not reliant on the app being open. It is, however, somewhat reliant on the phone being awake, at least to operate more quickly.
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Of course you are right. I just always carry the fob in case and I usually just leave the lucid app open on the phone . Sometimes I do open the car or trunk with the Phone or the FOB as I approach depending on the weather ( rain/snow) or where I am etc. Despite never having any trouble with my car I suppose I have been made paranoid from all the noise on this site and when I do go out of town I have so many ways to access the car and lets not forget the key card in the wallet!
 
Pragmatic said:
If the car is unlocked, pressing the handle will wake the car, present the handle and allow you to open the door. No fob or phone needed.
At least it did on mine (2023 Pure AWD) until today. Now pressing the handle does nothing (all four doors). Even with a fob with fresh batteries. Without the phone I need to double click the fob to get in.
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I pretty much solved this problem by disabling auto lock on my Air. It short circuits the back and forth. It would open when I got to the car automatically (and stayed open for loading things). And then I just pressed the handle down when I got out and closed the driver door. Pretty much eliminated 99% of any frustrations with the door handles. But yes you still need a phone or fob in proximity and the correct settings configured....

My understanding from that video with Cory is that there is some inherent design flaw in the Air and Gravity door logic from a hardware standpoint that can only be bandaided over with software partially....
 
illopp00 said:
Someone in the forum posted here Cory Steuben interview w/ Tesla Owners Silicon Valley

He doesn't out loud say it, but was commenting on how the Cosmos has normal doors that always allow you on table stakes with a grin...
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I watched the video from beginning to end and didn't get that message at all. My impression/inference is that he was insinuating cosmos will have *mechanical/manual door so access should always be guaranteed. I didn't hear/infer from the video that he was implying
Air and Gravity door logic from a hardware standpoint that can only be bandaided over with software partially....
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BS8899 said:
When one is debugging an unknown problem, one attempts to either prove or disprove a hypothesis. As such, there are indeed "20 questions" that are posed in order to get to the correct diagnosis.

As @dbs3233 stated, in order to make logical sense, pushing on the handle to affect an unlocking action only makes sense IF the car already sensed a valid ELECTRONIC unlocking signal (FOB, phone, or key card) but mechanically, the door lock is still asserted. That means the computer that decoded the ELECTRONIC signal failed to send the ELECTRICAL signal to the door lock mechanism to unlock.

Perhaps pushing on the handle restarts another cycle for the computer to decode the unlocking command (FOB, Phone, key card) and resend the unlocking command. As many of us experienced, sometimes pushing on the handle works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it takes multiple pushes to make it work.

It seems to me that the issue is not the FOB or the phone or the key card but resides in the computer.
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Pressing the handle wakes up the vehicle, which causes it to start looking for a key if it hasn’t already.

In addition, sometimes the phone puts the Bluetooth radio to sleep. Moving or tapping the phone to wake it up can also help.

Also, you never stated a hypothesis, or in other words, the “point” I was asking you to make.
 
borski said:
Pressing the handle wakes up the vehicle, which causes it to start looking for a key if it hasn’t already.

Also, you never stated a hypothesis, or in other words, the “point” I was asking you to make.
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You’re saying it’s the Keymaster?

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borski said:
Pressing the handle wakes up the vehicle, which causes it to start looking for a key if it hasn’t already.
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I've wondered that... when the fob fails to unlock and present when standing at the door, if pressing the handle in might force it to immediately "re-check". I try that frequently since mine is frequently slow to respond. So far I'm not really finding it making any difference though. (Doesn't mean the car may not be waking up, it just seems to not be affecting the fob authorization/transmission delay.)

I did actually have the handles present 2 steps before I got to it today, which is a first! The way it should work. Of course that was after 2-3 instances earlier in the day of having to stand there 5-10 seconds. Still pretty random.
 
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