NYC VIP event prep

There was a technician standing by the black Gravity outside and I talked to him for a while about wheels and tires. He seemed to know a fair amount about it and confirmed that none of the Gravities there had 20"/21". This came up because he was trying very hard to convince me to go with middle wheels, instead of the smallest ones but couldn't show me what they looked like.

The gravities inside and chrome had largest wheels. Outside two (green and black) that were available for test drives on Sat morning were 21"/22".
 
There was a technician standing by the black Gravity outside and I talked to him for a while about wheels and tires. He seemed to know a fair amount about it and confirmed that none of the Gravities there had 20"/21". This came up because he was trying very hard to convince me to go with middle wheels, instead of the smallest ones but couldn't show me what they looked like.

The gravities inside and chrome had largest wheels. Outside two (green and black) that were available for test drives on Sat morning were 21"/22".
What was his argument for the middle wheels over the smallest?
 
100%...yeah, I did and was told they were the small wheels. Looking at the config pics AND back at event pics, it's pretty obvious that they ARE the smaller wheels.

??? Did you mean the largest wheels?

I think we're getting confused here. The terms "larger" and "smaller" are comparative terms that imply only two wheel sizes under discussion. But there are actually three: the largest, the mid-size, and the smallest.

The only two wheels sizes on hand in NYC were the largest and the mid-size.
 
The confusion stems from techs not knowing their stuff and the inserts are off.

The test drives were all 21/22.
 

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This came up because he was trying very hard to convince me to go with middle wheels, instead of the smallest ones but couldn't show me what they looked like.

What were the arguments he was making pro and con for each size?
 
The confusion stems from techs not knowing their stuff and the inserts are off.

The test drives were all 21/22.

Yep. The easiest way to tell which is which (without reading the tire sidewalls) is that the mid-size wheels are 7-spoke wheels, and the smallest and largest are 5-spoke wheels. If the aero blades are removed from the smallest wheels, you can differentiate them from the largest wheels by the absence of the notch at the top of the largest wheel's spoke:

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What were the arguments he was making pro and con for each size?
I was mostly leaning towards smallest due to range and comfort. He seemed to think that since we live in Brooklyn, range in the city will be terrible regardless of the wheel size (and can't use the largest wheels due to pot holes). Between smalls and mids, he seemed to think that highway range won't be *that* different but performance on the mid-wheels will be significantly better. I interpreted "performance" as car responsiveness, turns, etc. Said he'd only pick smallest wheels if off roading.

I'm still going with smallest :). I'll take any extra range and a little bit of increased comfort for rear passengers (fwiw, he also didn't think that there would be a significant difference in comfort between smalls and mids either).

One question I have is whether to add Dynamic Handling Package... Like does it even matter if you have smallest wheels? I'm not cost-sensitive, more thinking about longevity of the vehicle. Tend to keep my cars until they become unreliable or too expensive to maintain. So, is added complexity of DHP and potential repairs down the line for slightly improved handling, comfort, turning radius, etc worth it? Anyone have comments on that? Have never owned a car with air suspension.
 
One question I have is whether to add Dynamic Handling Package... Like does it even matter if you have smallest wheels?
Yes. You want the rear wheel steering. It’s what makes the turning radius so damn good. And in NYC, a short turning radius can be *very* useful.
 
I was mostly leaning towards smallest due to range and comfort. He seemed to think that since we live in Brooklyn, range in the city will be terrible regardless of the wheel size (and can't use the largest wheels due to pot holes). Between smalls and mids, he seemed to think that highway range won't be *that* different but performance on the mid-wheels will be significantly better. I interpreted "performance" as car responsiveness, turns, etc. Said he'd only pick smallest wheels if off roading.

I'm still going with smallest :). I'll take any extra range and a little bit of increased comfort for rear passengers (fwiw, he also didn't think that there would be a significant difference in comfort between smalls and mids either).

One question I have is whether to add Dynamic Handling Package... Like does it even matter if you have smallest wheels? I'm not cost-sensitive, more thinking about longevity of the vehicle. Tend to keep my cars until they become unreliable or too expensive to maintain. So, is added complexity of DHP and potential repairs down the line for slightly improved handling, comfort, turning radius, etc worth it? Anyone have comments on that? Have never owned a car with air suspension.
Omg who was this technician saying range would be terrible. I didn’t hear any of the same sentiment from the Lucid team we spoke too.
 
Omg who was this technician saying range would be terrible. I didn’t hear any of the same sentiment from the Lucid team we spoke too.
Ah I don't think he was saying anything new about range being terrible in a congested city like NYC. Lots of stop and go traffic and range (or gas mileage) would suffer.
 
There were 3 to 4 Gravities outside and none of them had the smallest wheel option. 2 inside plus shiny were on 22/23 and the other 3 for test drives were 21/22. I went and I checked all 6.
Going to correct my statement due to photos telling me my memory sux…

4 on 22/23 and 2 on 21/22. One 22/23 is resting in the garage and does not come out. No idea why…unless they do a nightly swap with show room to recharge batteries.

So:

Black on 22/23 show room (white)
Black on 21/22 drive along (Tahoe)
Green 22/23 show room (white)
Green 22/23 garage (didn’t look)
Green 21/22 drive along (white)
Shiny 22/23 for show (no idea)
 
I do have to say, all the Lucid people I have talked to I had to correct at least once…my 3rd ride along driver just stopped selling it mid ride…sigh
 
One question I have is whether to add Dynamic Handling Package... Like does it even matter if you have smallest wheels? I'm not cost-sensitive, more thinking about longevity of the vehicle. Tend to keep my cars until they become unreliable or too expensive to maintain. So, is added complexity of DHP and potential repairs down the line for slightly improved handling, comfort, turning radius, etc worth it? Anyone have comments on that? Have never owned a car with air suspension.

Thanks for the thoughts on wheel sizes.

As for your DHP questions, I've owned cars with both air suspensions and coil spring suspensions. In fact, two of our current cars -- a Tesla Model S Plaid with air suspension and an Air Dream Performance with coil spring suspension (both cars on 21" wheels) -- are a textbook example of the fact that suspension engineering and calibration has a lot more to do with handling and comfort than with whether one suspension type is better than another. Our Lucid on coil springs both handles better and has a more compliant ride than our Tesla on air suspension. Why? Because Lucid really, really knows their game when it comes to suspensions and puts the time and effort into getting it right.

(A little history: Air suspensions were originally developed for aircraft in the 1930's because of their ability to handle greater weight than coil springs. That is also the reason that many freight haulers use air suspensions. However, well-controlled studies by a trucking industry association tested air suspensions against coil spring suspensions and found that the coil spring suspensions reacted more quickly and precisely to surface changes in the road and that fragile freight sustained lower incidences of damage on coil-sprung trailers.)

The Gravity has air suspension primarily because of the desire to have ride-height adjustment in an SUV, something coil springs cannot do. So they opted to go with air suspension, despite its greater mechanical complexity and consequently greater likelihood of maintenance issues. (I owned a 2004 Lexus RX330 that had the short-lived air suspension option. It was the only major component failure I had with either of the two Lexus' I owned, and Lexus discontinued it the next model year.)

So with the Gravity, you're going to get an air suspension with our without the DHP. The DHP, however, will have a 3-chamber air suspension instead of the single-chamber system on the base package. Its primary advantage will be the ability to choose softness settings across the range of ride heights. With single-chamber air springs, their stiffness increases with increasing ride height and softens with lower ride height. A 3-chamber system allows you to offset that effect if you want to retain a soft ride at greater ride heights or maintain stiffness at lower ride heights.

And @borski is absolutely right. I would think a tighter turning radius in NYC would be well worth it . . . also for getting into and out of tight parking spaces anywhere. And the ability to retain suspension softness in NYC when you want to raise the ride height, such as in heavy snowfall ahead of the plows, is a consideration, too.

Bottom line: whether air or coil, 1-chamber or 3-chamber, you're going to get the best-engineered system and most carefully-considered calibration settings possible from Lucid with any choice they offer. As Jason Cammisa has explained, Lucid is the only rival Porsche has in suspension engineering, including the right way to do rear-wheel steering.
 
Thanks for the thoughts on wheel sizes.

As for your DHP questions, I've owned cars with both air suspensions and coil spring suspensions. In fact, two of our current cars -- a Tesla Model S Plaid with air suspension and an Air Dream Performance with coil spring suspension (both cars on 21" wheels) -- are a textbook example of the fact that suspension engineering and calibration has a lot more to do with handling and comfort than with whether one suspension type is better than another. Our Lucid on coil springs both handles better and has a more compliant ride than our Tesla on air suspension. Why? Because Lucid really, really knows their game when it comes to suspensions and puts the time and effort into getting it right.

(A little history: Air suspensions were originally developed for aircraft in the 1930's because of their ability to handle greater weight than coil springs. That is also the reason that many freight haulers use air suspensions. However, well-controlled studies by a trucking industry association tested air suspensions against coil spring suspensions and found that the coil spring suspensions reacted more quickly and precisely to surface changes in the road and that fragile freight sustained lower incidences of damage on coil-sprung trailers.)

The Gravity has air suspension primarily because of the desire to have ride-height adjustment in an SUV, something coil springs cannot do. So they opted to go with air suspension, despite its greater mechanical complexity and consequently greater likelihood of maintenance issues. (I owned a 2004 Lexus RX330 that had the short-lived air suspension option. It was the only major component failure I had with either two of the Lexus' I owned, and Lexus discontinued it in the next model year.)

So with the Gravity, you're going to get an air suspension with our without the DHP. The DHP, however, will have a 3-chamber air suspension instead of the single-chamber system on the base package. Its primary advantage will be the ability to choose softness settings across the range of ride heights. With single-chamber air springs, their stiffness increases with increasing ride height and softens with lower ride height. A 3-chamber system allows you to offset that effect if you want to retain a soft ride at greater ride heights or maintain stiffness at lower ride heights.

And @borski is absolutely right. I would think a tighter turning radius in NYC would be well worth it . . . also for getting into and out of tight parking spaces anywhere. And the ability to retain suspension softness in NYC when you want to raise the ride height, such as in heavy snowfall ahead of the plows, is a consideration, too.

Bottom line: whether air or coil, 1-chamber or 3-chamber, you're going to get the best-engineered system and most carefully-considered calibration settings possible from Lucid with any choice they offer. As Jason Cammisa has explained, Lucid is the only rival Porsche has in suspension engineering, including the right way to do rear-wheel steering.
Thanks for the explanation 🙏. Adding air suspension makes sense from ride height pov. DHP has some really nice to haves like turning radius. So maybe the question is whether going from 1 chamber to 3 chamber significantly increases the likelihood of additional maintenance/repairs? I can deal with lots of software and cosmetic issues that come with a new vehicle... it's the hardware issues "down the line" that scare me from time and energy required and having our only car out of commission.
 
So maybe the question is whether going from 1 chamber to 3 chamber significantly increases the likelihood of additional maintenance/repairs?

Beyond my ken. Maybe some of the engineers on the forum can take it further?
 
It only *feels* that way until you drive it.
The Air’s length is 195.9”. Gravity is 198.2”, for a grand difference of… 2.3”.

Width of the Air is 86.4” with mirrors; Gravity is 87.2”, so 0.8” difference. It’s a 2.5” difference without mirrors (on both).

It is 10 inches taller though. :)

What’s even more amazing to me is it *turns* like it’s the smaller car; due to the RWS, it’s turning radius is a foot *shorter* than the Air.

To me; the Air feels like the bigger car if I don’t look behind me. I love both, but the Gravity is not actually particularly big. It’s the same size as a midsize, just like the Air. It just *feels* bigger because of all the space.
It's 10 inches taller, so now on normal ride height its the same as my 2014 CR-V:)
 
??? Did you mean the largest wheels?

I think we're getting confused
The only two wheels sizes on hand in NYC were the largest and the mid-size.
There is a very good chance that I caused the confusion by the way I asked the question. I simply do not remember, BUT it is entirely possible that as I pointed to the chrome wrapped Gravity that I asked if it had the smallest “tires” rather than “wheels.” I had just been interviewed by Dave Connor and was a bit of a space cadet. Since the car DID have the lowest profile tires, that could explain why all three people answered “yes.” So, I apologize if I have been the source of any confusion, but I just cannot be certain how I asked the question. Sorry gang!
 
There is a very good chance that I caused the confusion by the way I asked the question. I simply do not remember, BUT it is entirely possible that as I pointed to the chrome wrapped Gravity that I asked if it had the smallest “tires” rather than “wheels.” I had just been interviewed by Dave Connor and was a bit of a space cadet. Since the car DID have the lowest profile tires, that could explain why all three people answered “yes.” So, I apologize if I have been the source of any confusion, but I just cannot be certain how I asked the question. Sorry gang!
I had a tech tell me they had 20/21 who supposedly spent a lot of time making the Shiny vehicle work.

It’s not you, it’s them. Literally raided a parking garage looking for it as that’s the config I ordered. Had to settle for 3 higher optioned models instead.
 
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