Miles vs. Percentage in Front (dashboard) screen

[thyname]

This is my third EV (2025 Air Touring, delivered four days ago). So I am familiar with the EVs, but not familiar with Lucid. I am a "percentages" type of guy (as opposed to "miles"), so immediately switched to "percentages" in the Pilot screen settings, under Units. The problem is, in the front / middle dashboard display (left third) where it shows Destination info at arrival, it still shows range at arrival in miles. I could not figure out to switch that display to percentages.

I understand that range at arrival / destination in percentages is shown at the end of navigation / route in the Pilot screen. But it would be nice to see it in big letters upfront (permanent). By the way, the latter estimate in navigation I noticed is completely inaccurate. And... it never changes while you drive and progress to destination. Odd

 

[Halodde]

I don't think there's a way to have battery % on arrival show on the cockpit display, only the pilot panel like you said. Regarding the inaccuracy of the remaining miles, that calculation appears to still use EPA range estimates for the remaining battery and not the vehicle's recent mi/kWh usage which would be much more useful information.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

This is my third EV (2025 Air Touring, delivered four days ago). So I am familiar with the EVs, but not familiar with Lucid. I am a "percentages" type of guy (as opposed to "miles"), so immediately switched to "percentages" in the Pilot screen settings, under Units. The problem is, in the front / middle dashboard display (left third) where it shows Destination info at arrival, it still shows range at arrival in miles. I could not figure out to switch that display to percentages.

I understand that range at arrival / destination in percentages is shown at the end of navigation / route in the Pilot screen. But it would be nice to see it in big letters upfront (permanent). By the way, the latter estimate in navigation I noticed is completely inaccurate. And... it never changes while you drive and progress to destination. Odd

The miles or percentage in the center cockpit screen is based on EPA. The remaining range at destination of the LEFT screen IS updated based on driving conditions, driving history, route chosen, etc.

 

[newlucidguy]

I came from a different EV (polestar) and found the treatment of range in the lucid odd, honestly. and I feel it's due to their marketing about range and being the leader that way. What I'd really like is range but dynamic range estimates, not a proportion of EPA based on battery %. Fortunately they have remaining battery at destination at the end of the directions list as you mention. They recently added remaining battery for the round trip which is really helpful (and I assume would include scheduled charges but I don't know). It's a little odd in that calc seems overly conservative (so round trip range seems to be more than 2x one-way .. just not sure why). The thing I find very odd is the total range available and the range at destination + trip distance don't reconcile in any way. It's just odd as you continually have to do the math mentally to figure out where you are. My car is only 8 weeks old but I have reverted to just using battery % on my display and SOC at destination in the map (and haven't used it that much). I wish the marketers would allow the engineers to display all of this correctly as best is known. Yes the range is less than EPA however Lucid is still class leading. This topic is one where I feel the marketers are winning out at the expense of those of us who have already purchased. Yes I get that sales is their key need but still.

 

[thyname]

The miles or percentage in the center cockpit screen is based on EPA.

There is no option to display that in percentages here, just miles. That was my OP question, and it sounds like the answer is a "no".

It's a little odd in that calc seems overly conservative

Very conservative to say the least. For me it is insane. In my regular commute today (for example): Left at 77%. It said I would arrive at 61%, which I know it is impossibly low. I arrived at 69% (actual). This does not make any sense. By the way, it was 26 degrees F at departure

 

[borski]

To be clear: the center of the driver cockpit panel can be set to either EPA range or percentage.

The left third of the driver cockpit panel will show range on arrival, if using nav, and is not based on the EPA range, but is very accurate. This cannot be set to percentage. The gravity, from when I drove it, has an even neater UX for this, showing you where you are on a curve. I imagine they’ll eventually bring that to Air too.

 

[Vic Lucid]

To be clear: the center of the driver cockpit panel can be set to either EPA range or percentage.

The left third of the driver cockpit panel will show range on arrival, if using nav, and is not based on the EPA range, but is very accurate. This cannot be set to percentage. The gravity, from when I drove it, has an even neater UX for this, showing you where you are on a curve. I imagine they’ll eventually bring that to Air too.

I just traveled from Vancouver to Seattle using the nav system and it was very accurate in predicting the energy I would use. I was charged to 100% when I left and had 50% remaining when I arrived which was what nav predicted. The prediction was very close to what I would have predicted using my driving history and the range I actually experience. However, the remaining range that was displayed upon arrival was based on the epa estimate (ie: 50% of epa range). Is that consistent with what others are seeing?

 

[Halodde]

To be clear: the center of the driver cockpit panel can be set to either EPA range or percentage.

The left third of the driver cockpit panel will show range on arrival, if using nav, and is not based on the EPA range, but is very accurate. This cannot be set to percentage. The gravity, from when I drove it, has an even neater UX for this, showing you where you are on a curve. I imagine they’ll eventually bring that to Air too.

I think we're saying the same thing but from a slightly different perspective. I think the miles on arrival number is equivalent to the calculated SOC remaining in the battery (which is very accurate) times the EPA range for the car. So if you will arrive with 10% of the battery remaining and you have a 400 mile EPA rated range at full SOC, the display will show 40 miles remaining upon arrival.

I agree that the calculation of the percentage remaining is accurate. But the calculation of mileage based on that remaining SOC definitely appears to be significantly overstated and not based on the mi/kWh of the drive making me think it's based on EPA range x remaining battery percentage. So, if you will arrive with 10% SOC, it doesn't matter if you are averaging 2 mi/kWh or 4.5 mi/kWh on your current drive. The miles remaining will still say 40 in either case.

I've looked at this often over my 55k miles (or, more accurately, since they improved the estimates), but if you feel otherwise, I'm interested in how you reach your conclusion.

 

[coma24]

I'm surprised by this request. I use % remaining for the center display, just like you, but I found the 'range at destination' on the far left to be incredibly useful and quite accurate.

There was a time when it was based on EPA, I believe, but it was updated several releases ago to use recent driving trends. I've found it to be very accurate on long trips. It updates very quickly (ie, within 10 secs) of a significant change in driving style (for better or worse in terms of efficiency). I just used it for a max range profile yesterday and while it was initially too conservative upon starting the return trip home (based on the trip there, presumably, which was more aggressive and 20 degs cooler), it quickly updated from "not enough range" for the trip, to 3 miles remaining, then 10, 30, 40, 50, at which point I sped up a little and turned the seat heaters back on, after which it settled on 40 and remained that way the whole way home. I much prefer that to %...it feels more granular and easier to parse while you're driving.

The only bummer is that it doesn't allow for changes in elevation afaik (based on discussion here in the forum, and/or with customer service, I don't recall which), so it's important to take that into account if you're going to have low reserves, or significant elevation changes.

 

[Adnillien]

The only bummer is that it doesn't allow for changes in elevation afaik (based on discussion here in the forum, and/or with customer service, I don't recall which), so it's important to take that into account if you're going to have low reserves, or significant elevation changes.

The remaining range at destination does include elevation changes to your destination.

 

[borski]

I think we're saying the same thing but from a slightly different perspective. I think the miles on arrival number is equivalent to the calculated SOC remaining in the battery (which is very accurate) times the EPA range for the car. So if you will arrive with 10% of the battery remaining and you have a 400 mile EPA rated range at full SOC, the display will show 40 miles remaining upon arrival.

I agree that the calculation of the percentage remaining is accurate. But the calculation of mileage based on that remaining SOC definitely appears to be significantly overstated and not based on the mi/kWh of the drive making me think it's based on EPA range x remaining battery percentage. So, if you will arrive with 10% SOC, it doesn't matter if you are averaging 2 mi/kWh or 4.5 mi/kWh on your current drive. The miles remaining will still say 40 in either case.

I've looked at this often over my 55k miles (or, more accurately, since they improved the estimates), but if you feel otherwise, I'm interested in how you reach your conclusion.

Nope, we aren’t saying the same thing.

There are two different ranges displayed.
1) In the center of the cockpit panel, you have the current SOC percentage (if that is your setting), or percentage multiplied by EPA (if that is your setting).

2) Separately, and completely unrelated, if you put a location into Lucid’s nav, it will display an estimated range on arrival on the *left* side of the cockpit panel. That is not the same as percentage times EPA, and will be different from the center range. The “miles on arrival” uses your actual real-world driving data, in real-time, along with power consumption, weather, elevation changes (not sure if they’ve added this yet), traffic, and other such factors. That’s what makes it quite accurate.

 

[coma24]

The remaining range at destination does include elevation changes to your destination.

thank you, is that a recent change?

 

[Adnillien]

thank you, is that a recent change?

It is not that recent but elevation was added after the range at destination feature was created.

 

[Halodde]

Nope, we aren’t saying the same thing.

There are two different ranges displayed.
1) In the center of the cockpit panel, you have the current SOC percentage (if that is your setting), or percentage multiplied by EPA (if that is your setting).

2) Separately, and completely unrelated, if you put a location into Lucid’s nav, it will display an estimated range on arrival on the *left* side of the cockpit panel. That is not the same as percentage times EPA, and will be different from the center range. The “miles on arrival” uses your actual real-world driving data, in real-time, along with power consumption, weather, elevation changes (not sure if they’ve added this yet), traffic, and other such factors. That’s what makes it quite accurate.

Guess we're going to have to disagree on your second point. I believe that the car uses your real world driving data to accurately estimate your SOC % at your destination. But, I believe it then uses the EPA rated mi/kWh to calculate your estimated remaining range upon arrival. I believe this to be true because, as one example, this past week, I pulled into a charger with 10% SOC remaining and the miles remaining on the left panel said 40 miles. I was averaging 2.5 mi/kWh for my trip. And obviously, with 10% battery remaining (approximately 8 kWh), at 2.5 mi/kWh, I'd only have about 20 miles remaining. However, with an EPA estimated 400 miles on a full charge, 10% remaining would equate to the 40 miles displayed as remaining upon arrival. Perhaps the subfreezing temps here make that difference more obvious to me... not sure. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just disagree based on my experiences.

 

[Vic Lucid]

Guess we're going to have to disagree on your second point. I believe that the car uses your real world driving data to accurately estimate your SOC % at your destination. But, I believe it then uses the EPA rated mi/kWh to calculate your estimated remaining range upon arrival. I believe this to be true because, as one example, this past week, I pulled into a charger with 10% SOC remaining and the miles remaining on the left panel said 40 miles. I was averaging 2.5 mi/kWh for my trip. And obviously, with 10% battery remaining (approximately 8 kWh), at 2.5 mi/kWh, I'd only have about 20 miles remaining. However, with an EPA estimated 400 miles on a full charge, 10% remaining would equate to the 40 miles displayed as remaining upon arrival. Perhaps the subfreezing temps here make that difference more obvious to me... not sure. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just disagree based on my experiences.

This is the same experience I am having.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

I have experience the left Pilot Panel’s estimate of range at destination the same way @borski describes…

 

[fisheral]

This is the same experience I am having.

Likewise

 

[borski]

Guess we're going to have to disagree on your second point. I believe that the car uses your real world driving data to accurately estimate your SOC % at your destination. But, I believe it then uses the EPA rated mi/kWh to calculate your estimated remaining range upon arrival. I believe this to be true because, as one example, this past week, I pulled into a charger with 10% SOC remaining and the miles remaining on the left panel said 40 miles. I was averaging 2.5 mi/kWh for my trip. And obviously, with 10% battery remaining (approximately 8 kWh), at 2.5 mi/kWh, I'd only have about 20 miles remaining. However, with an EPA estimated 400 miles on a full charge, 10% remaining would equate to the 40 miles displayed as remaining upon arrival. Perhaps the subfreezing temps here make that difference more obvious to me... not sure. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just disagree based on my experiences.

I think I see what you're saying. Once the drive is over and you're at your destination, your estimated range is, ostensibly, just EPA.

So yes, the "range on arrival" provides you with the estimated EPA range you'll have *at the end of your trip*. I will note, however, that the Air now displays a return trip range estimate, which is not based on EPA and is also accurate.

 

[thyname]

I'm surprised by this request. I use % remaining for the center display, just like you, but I found the 'range at destination' on the far left to be incredibly useful and quite accurate.

If you like the range displayed in the center screen in Percentages, why wouldn’t you also like Percentages displayed on the far left screen as well? Instead of just Miles. That’s all I was asking. Ability to switch to Miles or Percentages depending on preference in BOTH screens, not just the center one

 

[jedwin]

I pulled into a charger with 10% SOC remaining and the miles remaining on the left panel said 40 miles

Possibly key question: was this 40 miles shown WHILE using the on-board navigation That’s what I’m gathering is the “magic sauce” that offers real-world predictions. Using Apple or Google or ABRP won’t do the trick….it seems!?

I’ve yet to charge in the wild, but continue to gather the tools/knowledge for my first big trip…. so on that note, what I’m getting from Borski‘s last comment is that the “range on arrival” would not be for arrival at the next charging stop along the way, but only for arrival at my ultimate dialed-in destination, perhaps after one or two charging stops along the way (?).

Related: I presume that on a long road trip, it won’t always assume I’m returning home right away?