Met my SA and test drove Lucid AGT Yesterday, some new info

[hellolucid]

The speculation has been that they don’t want to upset iPhone users by releasing Android Auto first. But my theory is that the operating system was designed with an expectation of a simultaneous release, and thus turning on one but not the other would lead to “unexpected behavior.” And rather than re-wiring everything for what they anticipate was only going to be a few weeks of delay, they just opted to wait on the Android side.

Can’t say I blame them. Their resources are swamped enough just trying to polish 2.0 at this point.

IMO they should release Android Auto. you can point fingers at Apple if any iOS user complains

 

[Maddraven]

@Volund,

Good to see another Utah owner. The Utah service team (Chris) is great and responsive.

 

[HariK]

The speculation has been that they don’t want to upset iPhone users by releasing Android Auto first. But my theory is that the operating system was designed with an expectation of a simultaneous release, and thus turning on one but not the other would lead to “unexpected behavior.” And rather than re-wiring everything for what they anticipate was only going to be a few weeks of delay, they just opted to wait on the Android side.

Can’t say I blame them. Their resources are swamped enough just trying to polish 2.0 at this point.

I would imagine that carplay and android are separate apps which can disabled without disabling the underlying hardware common to both.

 

[Volund]

@Volund,

Good to see another Utah owner. The Utah service team (Chris) is great and responsive.

Do you already have one? Which part of Utah are you in? We should definitely do a meet up when we both have ours.
Excited to see another Utah owner myself!

 

[borski]

I would imagine that carplay and android are separate apps which can disabled without disabling the underlying hardware common to both.

Has nothing to do with the hardware; it may be a single feature flag to enable/disable both, rather than individual feature flags for each.

 

[Tesla2.0]

IMO they should release Android Auto. you can point fingers at Apple if any iOS user complains

It’s the opening of data port for USB-C. It’s going to be major milestone. Once Apple CarPlay is ready, that port is ready for Android too. They are cautiously deploying for security risk. I believe they are getting very close deploying the new UX20 platform which is their priority.

 

[HariK]

Has nothing to do with the hardware; it may be a single feature flag to enable/disable both, rather than individual feature flags for each.

I see. I wonder why they chose to enable/disable both together. The only explanation is perhaps they do not want to be seen as taking sides with Android or IOS.

 

[joec]

I see. I wonder why they chose to enable/disable both together. The only explanation is perhaps they do not want to be seen as taking sides with Android or IOS.

Sometimes it's just easier when developing software to make some assumptions. If both are expected to be released at the same time, you can prepare the system to expect one or the other, not just one. And then if one can't be released as quick as the other, then you decide whether to refactor, or just hold off on the entire release.

 

[Volund]

Sometimes it's just easier when developing software to make some assumptions. If both are expected to be released at the same time, you can prepare the system to expect one or the other, not just one. And then if one can't be released as quick as the other, then you decide whether to refactor, or just hold off on the entire release.

This is probably the reason.
As a Software Dev myself, it makes more sense to have a "full featured release" than to release one at a time and have people assuming one works and not other and it can cause confusion.

On top of that, it's a luxury car company, so they probably want to make the process and rollout as smooth as possible, as you'd imagine when buying a premium car.

 

[HariK]

I have been using Android Auto Pioneer after market system for a few years with gasoline cars and because there is no connection to the car CAN bus, it does not know how much range is left and the rate of fuel consumed. So, the only thing we can do is check for gas along the route and decide when to stop. I hope to see tighter integration in the case of builtin Android Auto where we can choose preferred DC and Level 2 destination chargers and better integration with Electrify America and others. Tesla does a great job in that regard in guiding the user in where to stop for charging. That said, the reliability of Electrify America needs to improve a lot from what I am hearing from many users.

 

[Dana]

Great to hear about your test drive and so glad you enjoyed it!!!

I live in Idaho , and have a Santa Cruz interior. I love the way it looks, but I will be completely honest with you. I regret my choice , because I think it’s going to be very difficult in the winter. I should have thought more about that. That being said, apparently all weather fitted mats that should cover most of the carpet are possibly pending ( I hope ) from either or all the following : Weather Tech, 3D mats, and Lucid.
I scotch guarded my carpet and have generic mats and thus far mine are clean. But, we haven’t had any bad weather to get them dirty yet.

I plan in being religious about cleaning but really wish I had thought this thru more. Other members may have different opinions.

I live in Boise, placed my order in Zenith Red and expect delivery in the next quarter or so. I’m wondering about your experience in winter and what interior color you recommend

 

[stratus]

I live in Boise, placed my order in Zenith Red and expect delivery in the next quarter or so. I’m wondering about your experience in winter and what interior color you recommend

I live in Idaho Falls and I have only had the car since summer and have basically had no experience with bad weather, thus far.

I love the look of the light interior with Santa Cruz ( it’s gorgeous ). In all honesty , even with the eventuality of all weather mats ( in the near future ) it will be very difficult to keep things clean, especially in the seat crevasses and along the floor sides. If I were to do it over I would get the Mohave. In my opinion it is not as nice looking, but it would be relatively maintenance free. Tahoe is also really nice , and carpets are a bit darker.

If you have kids, really really think about your interior choice and go with something darker.

I know others may disagree and have had relative success keeping things clean; this is just my personal observation.

 

[Volund]

I live in Idaho Falls and I have only had the car since summer and have basically had no experience with bad weather, thus far.

I love the look of the light interior with Santa Cruz ( it’s gorgeous ). In all honesty , even with the eventuality of all weather mats ( in the near future ) it will be very difficult to keep things clean, especially in the seat crevasses and along the floor sides. If I were to do it over I would get the Mohave. In my opinion it is not as nice looking, but it would be relatively maintenance free. Tahoe is also really nice , and carpets are a bit darker.

If you have kids, really really think about your interior choice and go with something darker.

I know others may disagree and have had relative success keeping things clean; this is just my personal observation.

Have people recommended ways of dealing with salt and snow from the roads?

What recommendations are mentioned?

 

[stratus]

Have people recommended ways of dealing with salt and snow from the roads?

What recommendations are mentioned?

As far as salt and snow , not sure how many people have experience . I do think a handful of folks here on this forum have driven during winter . For the exterior of the car, you may want to consider paint protection film and/or ceramic coating.
I have never ever done that on a vehicle , but I am doing so with the Lucid, and have an appointment next week. It is a bit pricey but it will bring ( at least for me ) some peace of mind.

 

[windscar911]

Do we know for sure that its wired CarPlay and Android Auto to begin with?

 

[Mr_rhythm]

Do we know for sure that its wired CarPlay and Android Auto to begin with?

Pretty sure it's wireless as the available USB port is charging only.

 

[windscar911]

Pretty sure it's wireless as the available USB port is charging only.

I can’t find the thread right now but I believe someone here shared that it might be wired initially and the. Wireless down the line.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Pretty sure it's wireless as the available USB port is charging only.

The USB ports were intentionally charging only. They blocked data bridge to prevent hacking. Once CarPlay and AndroidAuto is deploying, the data bridge will open to them.

 

[maractwin]

Pretty sure it's wireless as the available USB port is charging only.

I suspect that that a choice they have made in software, to make the port charging only. They likely could enable it for data if they choose to do so. The reason they have publicly given for making it charging only is to keep the car computers secure. It's frustrating to hear that, as most cars allow sending audio through USB.

But as a (retired) computer security guy, I have seen that nearly any computer can be compromised through the USB ports. So there is a real risk. But it comes down to a tradeoff. Is the added functionality worth the risk? I think so, but Lucid may see it differently, as compromise here means theft of Lucid's trade secrets.

 

[Tesla2.0]

I suspect that that a choice they have made in software, to make the port charging only. They likely could enable it for data if they choose to do so. The reason they have publicly given for making it charging only is to keep the car computers secure. It's frustrating to hear that, as most cars allow sending audio through USB.

But as a (retired) computer security guy, I have seen that nearly any computer can be compromised through the USB ports. So there is a real risk. But it comes down to a tradeoff. Is the added functionality worth the risk? I think so, but Lucid may see it differently, as compromise here means theft of Lucid's trade secrets.

I also have Polestar 2 which see their USB ports made charging only for 2 years until past 3 months they introduced Apple CarPlay in OTA update. Even they do that, CarPlay is strictly wired, not wireless.

Lucid Air has 90 onboard computer components communicating with each other in nanoseconds. It is unlike tradition ICE vehicles, they have more digital risk at powertrain level than transmission of ICE.