Marc Winteroff out

On the flip side, there is exactly one 2026 GGT and one 2027 GGT in the inventory finder that comes at all close to matching my desired config. Neither matches exactly, so both would require me to compromise, which I wouldn't be very inclined to do when spending that much money. My desired config might be weird, but I wonder if their production hasn't been as thoughtfully matched to market demand as might be desirable.
It seems like a lot of the 26 gravity inventory is clearing out. For the past couple weeks I've been watching and the number of available configurations has really narrowed.
 
I thought of that because they announced the 27 Gravity so soon, then someone pointed out the 26 Air last year didn't roll out until August-September I think
it’s pretty stupid. What makes a 2027 a 2027? It’s the same exact car. It’s even being sold in 2026. Clearly it was an excuse to pause production to fix issues.
 
it’s pretty stupid. What makes a 2027 a 2027? It’s the same exact car. It’s even being sold in 2026. Clearly it was an excuse to pause production to fix issues.
I think their excuse was the 1-month stop sale for the seat issue. Probably the best time for them to incorporate any changes for a 2027 model.
 
which led to several class action investor lawsuits too
Everything does. Please stop repeating this as if it is meaningful in some way. Lawyers file pointless class actions regularly.

I’m not a lawyer, but I know plenty. :)

If the case is decided in the plaintiffs’ favor, then we can act like it’s meaningful.
 
Everything does. Please stop repeating this as if it is meaningful in some way. Lawyers file pointless class actions regularly.

I’m not a lawyer, but I know plenty. :)

If the case is decided in the plaintiffs’ favor, then we can act like it’s meaningful.
didn't say it was valid or not, but now they're forced to answer each one of them is what I'm saying. The ambulance chasers involved are citing that specific instance apparently. Lucid isn't very scandalous but I guess that was enough.

Its not going to be decided in for the plaintiffs, its bogus.
 
let me quote myself and say I don't think they are valid, but that delay was what they are citing, and now Lucid is forced to respond.
Love your new profile pic :) 🧦🧦🧦🧦🧦🧦🧦
 
On the flip side, there is exactly one 2026 GGT and one 2027 GGT in the inventory finder that comes at all close to matching my desired config. Neither matches exactly, so both would require me to compromise, which I wouldn't be very inclined to do when spending that much money. My desired config might be weird, but I wonder if their production hasn't been as thoughtfully matched to market demand as might be desirable.
What is the weird config you mention?
 
I know this is way off topic for a thread about legless AI, ambulance chasers, etc. but I wanted to try and quantify the recent layoffs since the other thread was closed.

Lucid started with 9,000 employees which is a pretty small company. In 2023 they cut 1,300 and in 2024 cut another 400 employees according to filings, so down to 7,700.

Four months ago they trimmed 18% or 1,386 employees including 319 in the Bay Area (mostly Newark HQ I am guessing) leaving now 6,314.

On June 22 they laid off an additional 18% of the workforce with 136 from Newark, and as reported in an Arizona paper about 700 from AMP-1 with another 300 scattered about at other locations. My Service Rep at San Jose said they lost one front guy (Service Reception?) but the otherwise service team was spared.

So Lucid as a company is down to 5,177 headcount. Ouch

They did note that Marc Winterhoff gets to keep his company car, so now he will line up for OTA updates just like the rest of us, I guess. :)

(This may not share nicely since apparently I have a subscription.)
 
I know this is way off topic for a thread about legless AI, ambulance chasers, etc. but I wanted to try and quantify the recent layoffs since the other thread was closed.

Lucid started with 9,000 employees which is a pretty small company. In 2023 they cut 1,300 and in 2024 cut another 400 employees according to filings, so down to 7,700.

Four months ago they trimmed 18% or 1,386 employees including 319 in the Bay Area (mostly Newark HQ I am guessing) leaving now 6,314.

On June 22 they laid off an additional 18% of the workforce with 136 from Newark, and as reported in an Arizona paper about 700 from AMP-1 with another 300 scattered about at other locations. My Service Rep at San Jose said they lost one front guy (Service Reception?) but the otherwise service team was spared.

So Lucid as a company is down to 5,177 headcount. Ouch

They did note that Marc Winterhoff gets to keep his company car, so now he will line up for OTA updates just like the rest of us, I guess. :)

(This may not share nicely since apparently I have a subscription.)
This site lists different numbers and it looks like they brought on extra employees for both the Air and Gravity ramp ups and then adjusted.


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I never gave much thought to elevators being more than dumb appliances, until we took a couple of cruises on the Sun Princess over the last year. It's no longer just pressing UP or DOWN. There's a screen in front of each elevator bank where you touch the floor number you want and it tells you which elevator (A-F) to get on when it arrives. All those requests are managed live (AI?) to spread demand across all the elevators in the bank to dispatch elevators in a way that's most efficient for all. When you get on your assigned elevator, there's no inside buttons to press. You just get off on the floor it's already queued up to stop on.

Saves quite a bit of time on the whole.
For quite a few years I interviewed extremely senior software engineers and asked them to design an elevator control system as an interview question. Most failed due to the complexity, and the real insight was how they tackled a difficult problem, and not whether they succeeded or not.
 
The WARN act requires reporting of qualified mass layoffs but there is no requirement to announce hirings, so your numbers may be skewed downwards.
Well, I do appreciate your optimism. It is always possible that behind the considerable layoffs that Lucid is on a hiring spree...
 
For quite a few years I interviewed extremely senior software engineers and asked them to design an elevator control system as an interview question. Most failed due to the complexity, and the real insight was how they tackled a difficult problem, and not whether they succeeded or not.
And they'll also kill everyone in them like a car would. My friend is an elevator mechanic and they are very complex and the stakes very high.

I know there was skepticism about the new CEO, but he is doing CEO things okay right? Laid off excess labor and no hit to the stock price. Not bad.
 
I also wouldn't be surprised to start seeing more Senior Leadership roles move to KSA given that will be the larger production volume for a while...
Add in that every tech company I talk to is thinking about expanding hiring in oversees offices, just due to concern about US politics and the ability to get visas for foreign labor. Middle Eastern oil states lean heavily on foreign labor, and in my experience their visa system makes it easy for companies to bring in foreign workers. On the flip side, Saudi Arabia isn't necessarily high on the list of countries that skilled foreign workers are thinking about moving to.
 
What is the weird config you mention?
Don't know that it's actually all that weird: I select the inventory filters for GGT, any miles/availability/model year, 5 seats, 20/21 wheels, leather seats, dynamic handling, comfort. The results are just one vehicle from each model year.
 
I know this is way off topic for a thread about legless AI, ambulance chasers, etc. but I wanted to try and quantify the recent layoffs since the other thread was closed.

Lucid started with 9,000 employees which is a pretty small company. In 2023 they cut 1,300 and in 2024 cut another 400 employees according to filings, so down to 7,700.

Four months ago they trimmed 18% or 1,386 employees including 319 in the Bay Area (mostly Newark HQ I am guessing) leaving now 6,314.

On June 22 they laid off an additional 18% of the workforce with 136 from Newark, and as reported in an Arizona paper about 700 from AMP-1 with another 300 scattered about at other locations. My Service Rep at San Jose said they lost one front guy (Service Reception?) but the otherwise service team was spared.

So Lucid as a company is down to 5,177 headcount. Ouch

They did note that Marc Winterhoff gets to keep his company car, so now he will line up for OTA updates just like the rest of us, I guess. :)

(This may not share nicely since apparently I have a subscription.)
What’s the point you’re trying to make? And I say that respectfully because it doesn’t read well. Is it that the company is in trouble based on reduced headcount? Was overly staffed and now not so much?

Thanks.
 
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