LUCID Gravity Lease vs Finance

It does seem odd that you’d walk from a $120k car over a $400+/- fee. Especially since you’re an existing owner so you know “things change” with Lucid.

Was it that fee or the lease rate? I do understand the lease rate as a reason, as it is, how shall I say, horrendous.
Lease rate for sure was the number 1 reason I cancelled. For them to act like the $7500 ev credit they are offering is helpful almost seems disingenuous. The other nickel and diming about the referal credit not being able to be used and the documentation fee increasing for no real reason/explanation also bothered me.
If they let me use the $7500 ev credit towards the cash purchase, I would've happily signed, but they wouldn't agree to that.
 
Lease rate for sure was the number 1 reason I cancelled. For them to act like the $7500 ev credit they are offering is helpful almost seems disingenuous. The other nickel and diming about the referal credit not being able to be used and the documentation fee increasing for no real reason/explanation also bothered me.
If they let me use the $7500 ev credit towards the cash purchase, I would've happily signed, but they wouldn't agree to that.
Totally get it. I’d give it six months before the lease rate comes way down both because of interest rates in general and incentives. Lucid will have to offer Gravity incentives in Q1 2026, I think. Regardless of whether they get the Touring on the market. There just isn’t enough demand in the $80,000+ EV market - especially with no tax credit.
 
Totally get it. I’d give it six months before the lease rate comes way down both because of interest rates in general and incentives. Lucid will have to offer Gravity incentives in Q1 2026, I think. Regardless of whether they get the Touring on the market.
Hope so! Thankfully im not in any rush or desperate need of a new car right now. Maybe while I wait one of those alleged solid state battery cars will come out. If Mercedes comes out with a true GLS EV with a solid state battery, I'd be hard pressed not to look at that!
 
Lease rate for sure was the number 1 reason I cancelled. For them to act like the $7500 ev credit they are offering is helpful almost seems disingenuous. The other nickel and diming about the referal credit not being able to be used and the documentation fee increasing for no real reason/explanation also bothered me.
If they let me use the $7500 ev credit towards the cash purchase, I would've happily signed, but they wouldn't agree to that.
I'm no attorney, nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently. However, I did check my own purchase confirmation and read the following, which is the entirety of paragraph 12.

These Terms may only be amended or modified in a writing which specifically states that it amends these Terms and is signed by an authorized representative of each party. You agree to comply with all applicable laws, regulations and ordinances. You shall maintain in effect all the licenses, permissions, authorizations, insurance, consents and permits that you need to carry out your obligations under this Agreement.

Thanks to you I will make sure MY delivery fee is the $1,650 quoted and not the $2,000 that seems to be quoted generally around here now.
 
That was one of the things I pushed back on, they didnt budge (on that or the referal credit). The lease price is what got to me ultimately to abandon the car. When trying to leverage the $7500 credit...the price was crazy ($142K). This is a quick a dirty spreadsheet I didn't get a chance to update with better descriptions, but I wanted to make sure I got something out here since people asked and I didnt want to leave people hanging or thinking Inwas just being a troll. I can always update it if its confusing or if im dumb and missed something!

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Definitely pricey for a short term lease. With an 18 month lease, you're really taking on the brunt of the initial depreciation. No other way around that. For comparison, at a similar vehicle configuration with no down payment other than the deposit, with 36 month / 12k per year lease, I was quoted over $1k less per month.

As has been discussed on this thread, if your two choices are to either (i) lease, or (ii) purchase with cash, there are a number of factors in opportunity cost of what you're doing with the residual cash that you could invest while leasing. If looking at financing, I know BofA is around 5% for auto loan rates (with existing relationship), and the lease rate I was recently quoted was around 6.3% (0.00263 money factor), which while higher, is not multiple turns off. If you're financing the purchase with a loan, you have to factor in the interest you're paying for that as well as the depreciation if/when you decide to sell/trade (which for EV's is not immaterial these days).

With my '22 GT, I don't drive a ton so a lease would never make sense as I wouldn't use the miles. Given the depreciation, I also don't plan to sell/trade for a long time either, especially since the car has been rock solid. But with my wife's car, we take long road trips and use for business purposes, so leases make a lot more sense as (i) we'll definitely use the miles and (ii) we get tax benefits for business use. And we get optionality at the end of the lease if we want something different.

Ultimately everyone has to do what's right for them.
 
@Shenlon, thanks for the heads up on this.

Sigh.

I hate to admit it and I am sad to admit it but I am getting fatigued and disillusioned with Lucid at this point. I just reviewed some of my paperwork for my as-yet-undelivered DE and I am also seeing some fee issues I had sailed right through previously when starting to fill out my financing application. My online lease "paperwork" starts with a "Price (Taxable Subtotal)" of $141,625, which comes from my DE price of $139,900, plus $1,600 destination fee, plus $75 documentation fee. Then it adds a $995 acquisition fee and $726.50 of estimated registration and additional fees. Registration in my state is less than $200/year. I don't know what goes into those additional fees, but they are being charged on top of the $75 initial docs fee.

I should have noted the acquisition fee earlier, and I doubt there's anything I can do about that. I'll have to ask my SA about the other fees. Gosh, I hope these aren't just random additional grabs.

I'm tempted to go back to a vehicle purchase over a lease. My primary desire for the lease was to have an "out" on the vehicle in case it turned out to be a real PITA, but the more fees get layered on, and with the interest rate, I'm second guessing the decision. On the other hand, the Lucid rates aren't that great on the purchase either, and by the sounds of other folks on the forum, obtaining third party financing also looks like a PITA based on how Lucid's issues with paperwork have held up their processes.

I've waited for a car for almost 11 months now. I've gone into production once then been reverted. I've stepped up to the plate to take a more expensive car (leaving value on the table since I didn't get the full-sized wheels) ostensibly to move up the queue which hasn't panned out whatsoever. I've gone back into production but now waited a month with essentially no concrete word on what's happening. I'm watching other people who ordered much later than me get their vehicles. And now I'm seeing I might have to stomach some random additional fees that I'll have zero leverage to negotiate. It's death by 1000 paper cuts eroding my excitement about this company. I still think the vehicle (assuming it will work as advertised) is an amazing feat, but I'm just.... getting.... tired.
 
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Then it adds a $995 acquisition fee and $726.50 of estimated registration and additional fees. Registration in my state is less than $200/year. I don't know what goes into those additional fees, but they are being charged on top of the $75 initial docs fee.
Acquisition fee is specific to lease, and can also be called 'bank fee.' It goes to BofA/LFS for handling/originating the lease. It does not exist if you purchase the car instead.

Estimated fees are estimated; if you ask them and clarify what it is in your state, etc., they will fix it. Alternately, if it is lower than the amount, you can almost certainly get the excess registration fees refunded.
 
I'm no attorney, nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently. However, I did check my own purchase confirmation and read the following, which is the entirety of paragraph 12.

These Terms may only be amended or modified in a writing which specifically states that it amends these Terms and is signed by an authorized representative of each party. You agree to comply with all applicable laws, regulations and ordinances. You shall maintain in effect all the licenses, permissions, authorizations, insurance, consents and permits that you need to carry out your obligations under this Agreement.

Thanks to you I will make sure MY delivery fee is the $1,650 quoted and not the $2,000 that seems to be quoted generally around here now.
The $1650 is a Destination Fee and is included on all purchases whether from a pre-existing order, purchase directly at a location or purchased from the available online cars. The “additional” $2000 is a Delivery Fee and is only on the cars purchased via the Available Cars site. This Delivery Fee actually varies and if the car happens to be already located at you preferred SC, then there will be no additional Delivery Fee. But if it is located across country and will have to be moved to your SC, then the fee. I have seen this fee vary, I guess depending on how far away the car is from your location.
 
After reading through the forum's threads, and talking with my accountant as well as the financial advisor, this is still clear as mud for me.
I'm really slow on the uptake for the whole thing, lease vs. loan vs. cash.
In the end, it probably wouldn't matter a whole lot, but as a cheap person, I just don't like wasting money.
And thanks to the many forum members posting their opinions and analyses.
 
What? Texas loves EVs. It’s the HQ of Tesla! 😆
Live in Texas…. DEFINITELY not friendly to EVs, and the closer to Houston or Midland the more hostile it gets.

Austin is known as our “weird” city for a reason.
 
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This is really all you need to know about leasing a Gravity. 30% more in lease payments on a car with 17% lower MSRP.
Expect the lease prices to go way down in the future.
 
Hope so! Thankfully im not in any rush or desperate need of a new car right now. Maybe while I wait one of those alleged solid state battery cars will come out. If Mercedes comes out with a true GLS EV with a solid state battery, I'd be hard pressed not to look at that!
The solid state cars initialy will cost you 200k.....think they will be cheaper than the Lucid? NO WAY!
 
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This is really all you need to know about leasing a Gravity. 30% more in lease payments on a car with 17% lower MSRP.
Expect the lease prices to go way down in the future.
That makes perfect sense; if they have super high demand right now, they have no reason to incentivize leases yet. So in short, I agree with you.
 
Will go down but not way down...SUV has a higher demand than a sedan.
IDK. I think it will go down considerably to get below $1,000/month to lease. Interest rates are coming down so that alone will have an impact. And I think Lucid will have to introduce more incentives.

Don’t forget, Touring will come out and I think that could put downward pressure on GGT demand. We shall see.
 
Live in Texas…. DEFINITELY not friendly to EVs, and the closer to Houston or Midland the more hostile it gets.
Texas franchise laws mandate that new cars be sold through independent dealerships, not directly by manufacturers.
Lucid, and maybe Tesla, get around this with "studios" where you can see and even test drive cars, but you have to go online separately to actually place the order.
So, yeah, not particularly EV friendly, although I will admit it's more of a dealership protection perk (from all the money they give to candidates), rather than an actual anti-EV law.

One would have thought Tesla would have sought an exemption before setting up HQ there, but no.
 
I'm sorry, but this thread is 18 pages long. I read the last few pages, and saw disagreements.

Does anyone have a pointer to the post/page that has the most helpful information on determining leasing terms? Given all EV vehicles today seem to lose value more quickly than ICE vehicles (probably due to more advancements each year), I'm pretty set on leasing (and have the $7500 credit equivalent locked in), so mostly need to determine which term, but also make sure the leasing deal isn't way worse than "normal."

TIA
 
I'm sorry, but this thread is 18 pages long. I read the last few pages, and saw disagreements.

Does anyone have a pointer to the post/page that has the most helpful information on determining leasing terms? Given all EV vehicles today seem to lose value more quickly than ICE vehicles (probably due to more advancements each year), I'm pretty set on leasing (and have the $7500 credit equivalent locked in), so mostly need to determine which term, but also make sure the leasing deal isn't way worse than "normal."

TIA
The below will help. Your comment “saw disagreements” is accurate because there is no right answer. It’s entirely dependent on an individual’s financial situation, opportunity cost, etc. To your point above, you’re leasing to protect from an unknown future value drop. If you were going to keep the car 7 years or so, the depreciation wouldn’t matter - again, all personal preferences and circumstances so there will be disagreements.

The implied interest rate for leasing is well in excess of the cost to borrow.

Post in thread 'LUCID Gravity Lease vs Finance'
https://lucidowners.com/threads/lucid-gravity-lease-vs-finance.12006/post-297694
 

Interpretation​

  • Residual value: $68,970 (55% of MSRP).
  • Total lease outlay (return car): $74.6k over 3 years.
  • Lease + buyout: $143.6k total (≈$15.9k more than paying cash up front).
  • Cash purchase: $127.7k up front; you own it from day one.
While the residual value in the lease may be $68,970, chances are the actual value of the car will be less. You might be able to buy a different version of the same car for less than the residual value of the car you just leased. That potentially turns the equation around considerably: Lease+Buy-on-the-open-market could be even less than Cash Purchase.

For instance, a 2022 Lucid Air Grand Touring with <19k miles is about $61k today. On a $154k base (someone fact check me here), that's 49% residual, maybe lower depending on options chosen at the time, and this is a low-mileage car. It's not inconceivable that an actual GGT value would be closer to $55k in 2028. Get down to $53k and the money is even. Or, if you're the kind of person who likes a new car every few years, you'd get less selling your previous cash purchase to a dealer.

Am I missing something?
 

I expect my $125,000+/- Gravity that I am leasing today to be worth less than the residual of about $68,000 in 33 months.
I also believe I will be able to buy a same spec (or better) Gravity on the open market with 45,000 miles for less than the residual.
If I am wrong, I may buy out my lease. If I am right, I probably will buy a newish Gravity and keep it for a long time.
 
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