LUCID Gravity Lease vs Finance

Today I see the car still in production...but....few options are greyed out on that page like "apply for financing" which i hadn't fully submitted the application after reading the previous posts regarding timeliness of when actually to apply...in any case wonder if those few options being 'greeyed out' on the page means progress in production of some sort?
Based on my experience and some others here, you really won’t see any change on your dashboard during “in production”. Once it goes to preparing for delivery, more info begins to appear at (somewhat) random times…
 
Hi folks. After receiving more detailed information from Lucid regarding lease terms, and a quote from PenFed for financing, it looks like it would cost less to buy the car out of lease than finance upfront. Specifically $135,959 (lease) vs. $141,820 (finance). Details below. Thoughts? Am I missing anything?

Loan
Vehicle and Fees = $118,150
Processing Fee = $195
Documentation = $75
Sales tax = $9,452
Registration = $108
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $126,980

5% APR
$100,00 loan

$26,980 down
$1,740 / month for 66 months = $114,840
Total Spent = $141,820

Lease
Vehicle = $116,500
Destination Fee = $1,650
Acquisition Fee = $995
Upfront taxes = $1,050
Document fee = $450
Registration fee = $383
EV Credit = ($7,500)
Loyalty Credit = ($2,000)
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $110,078

$10,019 down (includes first month payment)
35 months * $1,636 = $57,260
Total = $67,279

Residual = $68,680

Total Spent = $135,959
 

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Where are the sales taxes on the lease? The taxes on the leased portion ($49,898, car minus residual adding in down-payment and rebate) should be in the monthly payment. There is also sale tax due when you buyout the car (on the $68,680).
 
Hi folks. After receiving more detailed information from Lucid regarding lease terms, and a quote from PenFed for financing, it looks like it would cost less to buy the car out of lease than finance upfront. Specifically $135,959 (lease) vs. $141,820 (finance). Details below. Thoughts? Am I missing anything?

Loan
Vehicle and Fees = $118,150
Processing Fee = $195
Documentation = $75
Sales tax = $9,452
Registration = $108
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $126,980

5% APR
$100,00 loan

$26,980 down
$1,740 / month for 66 months = $114,840
Total Spent = $141,820

Lease
Vehicle = $116,500
Destination Fee = $1,650
Acquisition Fee = $995
Upfront taxes = $1,050
Document fee = $450
Registration fee = $383
EV Credit = ($7,500)
Loyalty Credit = ($2,000)
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $110,078

$10,019 down (includes first month payment)
35 months * $1,636 = $57,260
Total = $67,279

Residual = $68,680

Total Spent = $135,959
You're comparing 35 months to 66 months so of course loan is going to cost more because you've got another 3 years of interest on it. If you want a true comparison you need to do a 35 month loan vs. 35 month lease.
 
Where are the sales taxes on the lease? The taxes on the leased portion ($49,898, car minus residual adding in down-payment and rebate) should be in the monthly payment. There is also sale tax due when you buyout the car (on the $68,680).
The taxes on the lease are in the line item “Upfront taxes.” Good call about the sales taxes on the residual. That brings the numbers closer - $141,820 (finance) vs. $141,453 (lease).
 
Thank you all for the feedback! I’ve updated the comparison to use a 36-month loan, and also included sales taxes on the residual. Now its $134,404 (finance) vs. $141,453 (lease).

Loan
Vehicle and Fees = $118,150
Processing Fee = $195
Documentation = $75
Sales tax = $9,452
Registration = $108
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $126,980

4.69% APR, 36 months
$100,00 loan

$26,980 down
$2,984 / month for 36 months = $107,424
Total Spent = $134,404

Lease
Vehicle = $116,500
Destination Fee = $1,650
Acquisition Fee = $995
Upfront taxes = $1,050
Document fee = $450
Registration fee = $383
EV Credit = ($7,500)
Loyalty Credit = ($2,000)
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $110,078

$10,019 down (includes first month payment)
35 months * $1,636 = $57,260
Total = $67,279
Residual = $68,680
Sales Tax on Residual = $5,494
Total Spent = $141,453
 
Thank you all for the feedback! I’ve updated the comparison to use a 36-month loan, and also included sales taxes on the residual. Now its $134,404 (finance) vs. $141,453 (lease).

Loan
Vehicle and Fees = $118,150
Processing Fee = $195
Documentation = $75
Sales tax = $9,452
Registration = $108
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $126,980

4.69% APR, 36 months
$100,00 loan

$26,980 down
$2,984 / month for 36 months = $107,424
Total Spent = $134,404

Lease
Vehicle = $116,500
Destination Fee = $1,650
Acquisition Fee = $995
Upfront taxes = $1,050
Document fee = $450
Registration fee = $383
EV Credit = ($7,500)
Loyalty Credit = ($2,000)
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $110,078

$10,019 down (includes first month payment)
35 months * $1,636 = $57,260
Total = $67,279
Residual = $68,680
Sales Tax on Residual = $5,494
Total Spent = $141,453
It won’t make a massive difference, but don’t you have to also put the same amount down? If you put less than the $26k for the loan, like $10,000, you’ll have something more per year in finance costs. Again, not major, but still.

And then, to be more annoying, you’d have to take the monthly money saved leasing and invest it at some estimated rate…

All sorts of ways people use to make the numbers “work”. Ultimately, I think the majority of folks concede financing saves money/makes more sense but you have to have comfort the company will be around in 36 months and the actual depreciation won’t be insane. It’s been pretty steep on pricey EVs. Especially unique ones like a Plaid or Dream edition.
 
How does one get that Loyalty credit? I have inquired about it a couple of times with no firm answer. Currently trading in my 2022 Lucid Air GT for the Gravity GT. Is that the criteria, that you have to be a current Lucid owner?
 
How does one get that Loyalty credit? I have inquired about it a couple of times with no firm answer. Currently trading in my 2022 Lucid Air GT for the Gravity GT. Is that the criteria, that you have to be a current Lucid owner?

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Hi folks. After receiving more detailed information from Lucid regarding lease terms, and a quote from PenFed for financing, it looks like it would cost less to buy the car out of lease than finance upfront. Specifically $135,959 (lease) vs. $141,820 (finance). Details below. Thoughts? Am I missing anything?

Loan
Vehicle and Fees = $118,150
Processing Fee = $195
Documentation = $75
Sales tax = $9,452
Registration = $108
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $126,980

5% APR
$100,00 loan

$26,980 down
$1,740 / month for 66 months = $114,840
Total Spent = $141,820

Lease
Vehicle = $116,500
Destination Fee = $1,650
Acquisition Fee = $995
Upfront taxes = $1,050
Document fee = $450
Registration fee = $383
EV Credit = ($7,500)
Loyalty Credit = ($2,000)
Deposit = ($1,000)
Total Costs = $110,078

$10,019 down (includes first month payment)
35 months * $1,636 = $57,260
Total = $67,279

Residual = $68,680

Total Spent = $135,959
How did you get to the page with that screenshot about the loyalty credit. I've been approved for the Gravity with just the $7500 credit but I remember I did not have that option for adding that Loyalty credit. Also called my SA to get more details into that even though we've been approved for financing (or a lease I should say)
 
How did you get to the page with that screenshot about the loyalty credit. I've been approved for the Gravity with just the $7500 credit but I remember I did not have that option for adding that Loyalty credit. Also called my SA to get more details into that even though we've been approved for financing (or a lease I should say)
On a related note, I see some social media people pushing a referral code for Lucid. Does that get us a discount of any kind? Or does it just help them?
 
It won’t make a massive difference, but don’t you have to also put the same amount down? If you put less than the $26k for the loan, like $10,000, you’ll have something more per year in finance costs. Again, not major, but still.

And then, to be more annoying, you’d have to take the monthly money saved leasing and invest it at some estimated rate…

All sorts of ways people use to make the numbers “work”. Ultimately, I think the majority of folks concede financing saves money/makes more sense but you have to have comfort the company will be around in 36 months and the actual depreciation won’t be insane. It’s been pretty steep on pricey EVs. Especially unique ones like a Plaid or Dream edition.
That’s a good point. Although one of the factors in favor of leasing is less up front. PenFed won’t let me finance more than $100k so that requires a bigger down payment. And I should be considering the interest earned on the difference I’ll save in the up front payment by going with the lease. Thank you!
 
How does one get that Loyalty credit? I have inquired about it a couple of times with no firm answer. Currently trading in my 2022 Lucid Air GT for the Gravity GT. Is that the criteria, that you have to be a current Lucid owner?
I don’t know. I had never heard of it until it showed up in that screen shot my SA sent me. I didn’t ask for it and didn’t ask about it. Don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth!
 
How did you get to the page with that screenshot about the loyalty credit. I've been approved for the Gravity with just the $7500 credit but I remember I did not have that option for adding that Loyalty credit. Also called my SA to get more details into that even though we've been approved for financing (or a lease I should say)
My SA sent that. Its an internal tool and it must be easy to use because I asked for a few different variations and he was responding in near real time via email.
 
For those that wait for the GT ($79,900) instead of the GGT ($94,900) you can qualify for the Auto Loan Interest Deduction of up to $10,000 to purchase annually if you are below the MAGI & for personal use. IMO if you plan to wait & skipping on the $7,500 EV for GGT.
 
For those that wait for the GT ($79,900) instead of the GGT ($94,900) you can qualify for the Auto Loan Interest Deduction of up to $10,000 to purchase annually if you are below the MAGI & for personal use. IMO if you plan to wait & skipping on the $7,500 EV for GGT.
i didn’t think there’s a cap for the price of the vehicle so the GGT would qualify.

Although IMO, someone making below the MAGI limit shouldn’t be buying a six figure car. But, who am I to judge lol. People can do whatever they want with their money.
 
i didn’t think there’s a cap for the price of the vehicle so the GGT would qualify.

Although IMO, someone making below the MAGI limit shouldn’t be buying a six figure car. But, who am I to judge lol. People can do whatever they want with their money.
There are some scenarios where it can still make fiscal sense... Like being retired with lots of savings but not much official income. That's the boat I'm in. 7-digit savings/investments (most tax-deferred), but own my house outright and don't need to withdraw a huge amount annually to live off of. "Cash rich but income poor", so to speak. (Well, hardly "poor", but middle class numbers for taxable withdrawals.)

Looks like the car interest deduction starts phasing down for $100k+ incomes ($200k+ married). Shrinks by $200 for every $1000 above those thresholds.
 
Right... also keep in mind that a tax credit is not the same as a tax deduction
 
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