Living with the Lucid Gravity: A Tesla Owner’s Journey

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Lucid Gravity Day 1 – What Surprised Me as a Former Tesla Driver

On August 9, 2025, I placed my order for the Gravity Grand Touring in California. Today, September 15, I finally took delivery. Previously, I have owned the Tesla Model X, Model Y, and Model 3. About three years ago, I was also among the first to get the Rivian R1T when it launched, but after six months I decided to sell it due to endless software bugs and constant issues.

Today marks my very first time owning a Lucid vehicle. In the morning, right after pickup, I drove about 15 miles for a short trip. Later in the day, I drove from Orange County to San Diego and back. As someone who has been a Tesla owner for many years, I must admit I bought the Lucid with a lot of hesitation. That’s why I decided to start documenting the things I noticed on day one — things that feel odd, shouldn’t happen, or simply stand out as strange to someone coming from Tesla.

Some of these might sound funny because maybe I just haven’t figured them out yet. If you know a solution, please let me know. I consider myself tech-savvy, and my wife has worked as a Senior UX/UI Manager for many years, so both of us are quick to understand and troubleshoot systems. Now, here are my first impressions. Hopefully, Lucid managers and developers will also read this feedback.


Day One Observations​

  1. Gravity comes with two key cards and one key fob. Each one has to be paired individually with a driver profile. While setting up, everyone has to get out of the car, the doors lock and unlock, a code is entered, and multiple steps must be completed. In Tesla, you simply pair the card and then assign it to a profile. The Lucid process feels unnecessarily complicated.
  2. With the Lucid app, you currently cannot use just your phone to unlock and drive the car. You still need to carry the card or the key fob. The sales rep said this feature was added later for the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity as well. But why wasn’t it ready at launch?
  3. The Lucid app does not allow multiple user profiles. Even though both my wife and I drive the car, she has to log in with my account. If the app later becomes the main way to unlock and use the car, that means only one driver profile will be supported. This makes no sense.
  4. We currently have two driver profiles set up. Switching between them takes 35 seconds to 1 minute. In Tesla, it takes no more than one second, and the screen doesn’t even blink. In the Lucid, the screen turns completely off, music stops, and navigation is reset every time you switch profiles.
  5. Since pickup, the right-side screens froze twice. Both times I had to perform a soft reset. I couldn’t find any instructions online — probably because the car is still new. I tried checking the user manual through the Lucid app, but there’s no search function, and I couldn’t find anything. I ended up calling my sales rep for help.
  6. Driving at night, I wanted to dim the screen brightness to reduce eye strain. I couldn’t find any such option anywhere. It drove me crazy. My eyes were tired, and as far as I can tell, dimming the screens isn’t even possible.
  7. Tesla’s navigation was bad, but Lucid’s is worse. Today, I used both Lucid’s navigation and Google Maps on my phone. Without Google Maps, I would have taken the wrong route several times. I don’t think I’ll ever rely on Lucid’s navigation again.
  8. I was told CarPlay was added later to the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity. But there’s no official communication on this. Instead of showing off meditation-themed screen graphics before launch, they should have focused on CarPlay integration. Extras like meditation could have been added later as Easter eggs. A car without CarPlay in this day and age is unacceptable.
  9. The Gravity gives an overwhelming number of alerts. If you turn your eyes slightly to glance at the screen, a “WATCH THE ROAD” warning pops up immediately. It’s excessive.
  10. When the front passenger turns around to talk to people in the back, the passenger airbags disable. We repeatedly saw the “Passenger Airbag Off” message while driving, then later “Passenger Airbag On.” To me, this looks like either a system bug or overly sensitive seat sensors.
  11. The frunk close button doesn’t always respond. Often you have to press it a second time before it works.
  12. The trunk close button for the second row frequently fails to respond. It works once, but if you reopen and try again, it often won’t close until you press the button several times.
  13. The second-row seats close in two separate parts, and one part rubs against the other. When it finishes closing, you have to push the later-closed side down by hand to straighten it out.

These are just the issues I noticed on the very first day as a longtime Tesla driver experiencing the Lucid Gravity. Please leave a comment if you’d like me to continue sharing updates. Also, if you know of any fixes or workarounds for these problems, share them below.


Should I keep writing the next part?
 
This thread is going to attract all kinds of the right attention.
 
#3: Setting up Lucid on my wife's phone was also on my todo list. Hmm surprised that you can't add another email/login.
#6: You can swipe down from the top of the pilot panel (where you fold mirrors, drop third row headrests, etc) and there is a slider to dim screen. An auto dimmer would be nice and am sure in the works.
#9: Biggest one to turn off the speed limit change alert. I believe 3.3.1 also turns this off by default.
#10: Have seen this happen a few times as well. I think sensors need to be better calibrated in general.

In general, early version of EVs (Tesla, Rivian, etc) all shipped with minimal software functionality and rest of stuff was added via quick updates. Same playbook here and best to set mental expectations around that flow.
 
#3: With the Air, using phone-as-key does indeed load the profile associated with that particular phone. That's different from unlocking the car with the app though.
 
#3 as to why not available now, it's actually on Apple as well to allow it and work with the manufacturer to enable it. It may not be in Lucid's control at all on this feature release time frame.

#9 you can turn all that off. I can't remember the screen (out of country) but when I get back to my Gravity I can post how if no one else hasn't already.
#11 contact Lucid. That's going to need to be fixed. Some of us have this and it has to be addressed. Would advise not using the frunk so much until fixed, someone warned of a similar issue in the Air that eventually wouldn't let the frunk close anymore and the car won't drive if you can't close the frunk.


I hope there's some things you like about the car too. Maybe post up to be a bit more fair if you do like some things too. If not, it's understandable that folks have different opinions about the car.
 
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First, I welcome your views and don’t let some of the respondents on here scare you away from posting your honest views.

Second, a few of your points have easy solutions and people are already posting on how to fix (screen brightness)

Most of your other issues are first generation software issues that will be corrected in future OTAs or are simple hardware issues that can be corrected with a visit to SC.

Finally, yes we recognize that Tesla has had over a decade to fine tune it’s software to being probably the best in the field, but no OTA or visit to SC will correct the Model X harsh and noisy ride, mediocre driving dynamics, unusable 3rd row seats, cheap interior and poor storage space (for similar SUVs.)

So, please continue to post. Hopefully you will learn some fixes from users on this forum and Lucid company readers will hear about potential issues that need to be addressed (they probably already know.)

And finally, Tesla does not now have and never will have Apple CarPlay. Be patient and it will come to Gravity in near future.
 
Lucid Gravity Day 1 – What Surprised Me as a Former Tesla Driver

On August 9, 2025, I placed my order for the Gravity Grand Touring in California. Today, September 15, I finally took delivery. Previously, I have owned the Tesla Model X, Model Y, and Model 3. About three years ago, I was also among the first to get the Rivian R1T when it launched, but after six months I decided to sell it due to endless software bugs and constant issues.

Today marks my very first time owning a Lucid vehicle. In the morning, right after pickup, I drove about 15 miles for a short trip. Later in the day, I drove from Orange County to San Diego and back. As someone who has been a Tesla owner for many years, I must admit I bought the Lucid with a lot of hesitation. That’s why I decided to start documenting the things I noticed on day one — things that feel odd, shouldn’t happen, or simply stand out as strange to someone coming from Tesla.

Some of these might sound funny because maybe I just haven’t figured them out yet. If you know a solution, please let me know. I consider myself tech-savvy, and my wife has worked as a Senior UX/UI Manager for many years, so both of us are quick to understand and troubleshoot systems. Now, here are my first impressions. Hopefully, Lucid managers and developers will also read this feedback.


Day One Observations​

  1. Gravity comes with two key cards and one key fob. Each one has to be paired individually with a driver profile. While setting up, everyone has to get out of the car, the doors lock and unlock, a code is entered, and multiple steps must be completed. In Tesla, you simply pair the card and then assign it to a profile. The Lucid process feels unnecessarily complicated.
  2. With the Lucid app, you currently cannot use just your phone to unlock and drive the car. You still need to carry the card or the key fob. The sales rep said this feature was added later for the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity as well. But why wasn’t it ready at launch?
  3. The Lucid app does not allow multiple user profiles. Even though both my wife and I drive the car, she has to log in with my account. If the app later becomes the main way to unlock and use the car, that means only one driver profile will be supported. This makes no sense.
  4. We currently have two driver profiles set up. Switching between them takes 35 seconds to 1 minute. In Tesla, it takes no more than one second, and the screen doesn’t even blink. In the Lucid, the screen turns completely off, music stops, and navigation is reset every time you switch profiles.
  5. Since pickup, the right-side screens froze twice. Both times I had to perform a soft reset. I couldn’t find any instructions online — probably because the car is still new. I tried checking the user manual through the Lucid app, but there’s no search function, and I couldn’t find anything. I ended up calling my sales rep for help.
  6. Driving at night, I wanted to dim the screen brightness to reduce eye strain. I couldn’t find any such option anywhere. It drove me crazy. My eyes were tired, and as far as I can tell, dimming the screens isn’t even possible.
  7. Tesla’s navigation was bad, but Lucid’s is worse. Today, I used both Lucid’s navigation and Google Maps on my phone. Without Google Maps, I would have taken the wrong route several times. I don’t think I’ll ever rely on Lucid’s navigation again.
  8. I was told CarPlay was added later to the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity. But there’s no official communication on this. Instead of showing off meditation-themed screen graphics before launch, they should have focused on CarPlay integration. Extras like meditation could have been added later as Easter eggs. A car without CarPlay in this day and age is unacceptable.
  9. The Gravity gives an overwhelming number of alerts. If you turn your eyes slightly to glance at the screen, a “WATCH THE ROAD” warning pops up immediately. It’s excessive.
  10. When the front passenger turns around to talk to people in the back, the passenger airbags disable. We repeatedly saw the “Passenger Airbag Off” message while driving, then later “Passenger Airbag On.” To me, this looks like either a system bug or overly sensitive seat sensors.
  11. The frunk close button doesn’t always respond. Often you have to press it a second time before it works.
  12. The trunk close button for the second row frequently fails to respond. It works once, but if you reopen and try again, it often won’t close until you press the button several times.
  13. The second-row seats close in two separate parts, and one part rubs against the other. When it finishes closing, you have to push the later-closed side down by hand to straighten it out.

These are just the issues I noticed on the very first day as a longtime Tesla driver experiencing the Lucid Gravity. Please leave a comment if you’d like me to continue sharing updates. Also, if you know of any fixes or workarounds for these problems, share them below.


Should I keep writing the next part?
Be happy Lucid has apple carplay….it will come to Gravity when apple gets their part completed.

No sqeaks in my Air after 3 years, our model 3 just squeaks and rattles

Lucid more luxurious and better driving and handling

The software issues can be fixed, hardware can’t.
 
Lucid Gravity Day 1 – What Surprised Me as a Former Tesla Driver

On August 9, 2025, I placed my order for the Gravity Grand Touring in California. Today, September 15, I finally took delivery. Previously, I have owned the Tesla Model X, Model Y, and Model 3. About three years ago, I was also among the first to get the Rivian R1T when it launched, but after six months I decided to sell it due to endless software bugs and constant issues.

Today marks my very first time owning a Lucid vehicle. In the morning, right after pickup, I drove about 15 miles for a short trip. Later in the day, I drove from Orange County to San Diego and back. As someone who has been a Tesla owner for many years, I must admit I bought the Lucid with a lot of hesitation. That’s why I decided to start documenting the things I noticed on day one — things that feel odd, shouldn’t happen, or simply stand out as strange to someone coming from Tesla.

Some of these might sound funny because maybe I just haven’t figured them out yet. If you know a solution, please let me know. I consider myself tech-savvy, and my wife has worked as a Senior UX/UI Manager for many years, so both of us are quick to understand and troubleshoot systems. Now, here are my first impressions. Hopefully, Lucid managers and developers will also read this feedback.


Day One Observations​

  1. Gravity comes with two key cards and one key fob. Each one has to be paired individually with a driver profile. While setting up, everyone has to get out of the car, the doors lock and unlock, a code is entered, and multiple steps must be completed. In Tesla, you simply pair the card and then assign it to a profile. The Lucid process feels unnecessarily complicated.
  2. With the Lucid app, you currently cannot use just your phone to unlock and drive the car. You still need to carry the card or the key fob. The sales rep said this feature was added later for the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity as well. But why wasn’t it ready at launch?
  3. The Lucid app does not allow multiple user profiles. Even though both my wife and I drive the car, she has to log in with my account. If the app later becomes the main way to unlock and use the car, that means only one driver profile will be supported. This makes no sense.
  4. We currently have two driver profiles set up. Switching between them takes 35 seconds to 1 minute. In Tesla, it takes no more than one second, and the screen doesn’t even blink. In the Lucid, the screen turns completely off, music stops, and navigation is reset every time you switch profiles.
  5. Since pickup, the right-side screens froze twice. Both times I had to perform a soft reset. I couldn’t find any instructions online — probably because the car is still new. I tried checking the user manual through the Lucid app, but there’s no search function, and I couldn’t find anything. I ended up calling my sales rep for help.
  6. Driving at night, I wanted to dim the screen brightness to reduce eye strain. I couldn’t find any such option anywhere. It drove me crazy. My eyes were tired, and as far as I can tell, dimming the screens isn’t even possible.
  7. Tesla’s navigation was bad, but Lucid’s is worse. Today, I used both Lucid’s navigation and Google Maps on my phone. Without Google Maps, I would have taken the wrong route several times. I don’t think I’ll ever rely on Lucid’s navigation again.
  8. I was told CarPlay was added later to the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity. But there’s no official communication on this. Instead of showing off meditation-themed screen graphics before launch, they should have focused on CarPlay integration. Extras like meditation could have been added later as Easter eggs. A car without CarPlay in this day and age is unacceptable.
  9. The Gravity gives an overwhelming number of alerts. If you turn your eyes slightly to glance at the screen, a “WATCH THE ROAD” warning pops up immediately. It’s excessive.
  10. When the front passenger turns around to talk to people in the back, the passenger airbags disable. We repeatedly saw the “Passenger Airbag Off” message while driving, then later “Passenger Airbag On.” To me, this looks like either a system bug or overly sensitive seat sensors.
  11. The frunk close button doesn’t always respond. Often you have to press it a second time before it works.
  12. The trunk close button for the second row frequently fails to respond. It works once, but if you reopen and try again, it often won’t close until you press the button several times.
  13. The second-row seats close in two separate parts, and one part rubs against the other. When it finishes closing, you have to push the later-closed side down by hand to straighten it out.

These are just the issues I noticed on the very first day as a longtime Tesla driver experiencing the Lucid Gravity. Please leave a comment if you’d like me to continue sharing updates. Also, if you know of any fixes or workarounds for these problems, share them below.


Should I keep writing the next part?
Yes, please share your observations. They are reasonable and valid.

I owned Teslas from 2018, 2 Model 3's and lastly, a Model S. I liked them a lot, were fun to drive, and after a few years the software settled down, altho the wipers never worked correctly, and there were quite a few other bugs.

I have an Air Grand Touring now, and the ride and driving dynamics are light years ahead of the Model S. The interior is comfortable and attractive, and everyone who get in it, front or back, prefers it to my Model S for comfort and quiet ride.

Software, as you know, evolves and almost everything on your list can be fixed, and will be. I do miss FSD, which recently has gotten excellent, but still never reached the features set promised when I purchased it in 2018.

From the interview with the Lucid temporary CEO they intend to leapfrog Tesla in that area. Maybe, maybe not. They just introduced hands off driving on highways, and it works quite well.

As a guy who designed user interfaces for part of my life, Lucid is pretty good, but not mature in either the Airs or the Gravity yet. You still have to go too deep in to the sceens for some things, distracting from driving, and voice commands are undocumented and don't do enough. Although yesterday I discovered I could change audio inputs by voice, which is great. The audio panel is still fiddly though, and again, you have to look away from driving.

Still work is needed. For example, if I adjust my seats, the 'save' option should pop up for me to tap. I shouldn't have to do multiple taps to get to the seat screen and do it there. Again, more needless distraction. It ahould work like the Home Link pop up.

I agree, the 'pay attention' camera system is way too strict. I took a quick drink yesterday and the system complained it could not see my face.

Still, I could not go back to Tesla. Too many creaks and rattles, too much drama from the CEO. Too many broken promises.

Enjoy the thrill of driving your Lucid and know that the software issues will be dealt with. But I think Lucid has the fundamentals down, which is why so many Tesla owners are switching. I have a couple of friends with the latest Teslas where ride and noise has been improved, and they say there is no comparison between their cars and my Lucid.
 
#7: Welcome to HERE maps. The only way around it will be CarPlay or Android Auto, or instead buying one of the countless vehicles with built-in Google maps.

I'm looking forward to reading about the things you prefer in your Gravity over your Teslas.
 
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Yes, please share your observations. They are reasonable and valid.

I owned Teslas from 2018, 2 Model 3's and lastly, a Model S. I liked them a lot, were fun to drive, and after a few years the software settled down, altho the wipers never worked correctly, and there were quite a few other bugs.

I have an Air Grand Touring now, and the ride and driving dynamics are light years ahead of the Model S. The interior is comfortable and attractive, and everyone who get in it, front or back, prefers it to my Model S for comfort and quiet ride.

Software, as you know, evolves and almost everything on your list can be fixed, and will be. I do miss FSD, which recently has gotten excellent, but still never reached the features set promised when I purchased it in 2018.

From the interview with the Lucid temporary CEO they intend to leapfrog Tesla in that area. Maybe, maybe not. They just introduced hands off driving on highways, and it works quite well.

As a guy who designed user interfaces for part of my life, Lucid is pretty good, but not mature in either the Airs or the Gravity yet. You still have to go too deep in to the sceens for some things, distracting from driving, and voice commands are undocumented and don't do enough. Although yesterday I discovered I could change audio inputs by voice, which is great. The audio panel is still fiddly though, and again, you have to look away from driving.

Still work is needed. For example, if I adjust my seats, the 'save' option should pop up for me to tap. I shouldn't have to do multiple taps to get to the seat screen and do it there. Again, more needless distraction. It ahould work like the Home Link pop up.

I agree, the 'pay attention' camera system is way too strict. I took a quick drink yesterday and the system complained it could not see my face.

Still, I could not go back to Tesla. Too many creaks and rattles, too much drama from the CEO. Too many broken promises.

Enjoy the thrill of driving your Lucid and know that the software issues will be dealt with. But I think Lucid has the fundamentals down, which is why so many Tesla owners are switching. I have a couple of friends with the latest Teslas where ride and noise has been improved, and they say there is no comparison between their cars and my Lucid.
Oh the wipers in the Tesla are crazy bad!
 
Most of the requests to Lucid seem to fall on deaf ears. Tesla is so far ahead of the game it’s not even a fair comparison. I’ve been asking for black carpeted floor mats for three years so they wont show parking lot grime so bad. Seems goofy to have $150,000 invested in a car with rubber floor mats suited for a pickup truck from the 60’s.

When I ordered my Air Grand Touring in 2022, I was told it would have self driving. Jokes on me cause they never said “when”. As soon as Tesla freshens up their body style on the S model I’m switching back and going with a lease. This will protect me from falling resale values if Tesla figures out how to make a new one go 1,000 miles on a charge.
 
When I ordered my Model S in 2017, it said it would be self driving. Jokes on me because they never said when.
 
Most of the requests to Lucid seem to fall on deaf ears. Tesla is so far ahead of the game it’s not even a fair comparison. I’ve been asking for black carpeted floor mats for three years so they wont show parking lot grime so bad. Seems goofy to have $150,000 invested in a car with rubber floor mats suited for a pickup truck from the 60’s.

When I ordered my Air Grand Touring in 2022, I was told it would have self driving. Jokes on me cause they never said “when”. As soon as Tesla freshens up their body style on the S model I’m switching back and going with a lease. This will protect me from falling resale values if Tesla figures out how to make a new one go 1,000 miles on a charge.
Yes, black carpeted floor mats is definitely the reason you should drive a Tesla.
 

Day One Observations​

  1. Gravity comes with two key cards and one key fob. Each one has to be paired individually with a driver profile. While setting up, everyone has to get out of the car, the doors lock and unlock, a code is entered, and multiple steps must be completed. In Tesla, you simply pair the card and then assign it to a profile. The Lucid process feels unnecessarily complicated.
You don’t have to pair them with a profile. They work fine without one, they just won’t automatically load preferences. I agree the get out / get in dance is goofy, but it only has to be done once.

  1. With the Lucid app, you currently cannot use just your phone to unlock and drive the car. You still need to carry the card or the key fob. The sales rep said this feature was added later for the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity as well. But why wasn’t it ready at launch?
Because they want to make it work with Apple Digital Key, which isn’t apparently ready yet, but should be soon.

  1. The Lucid app does not allow multiple user profiles. Even though both my wife and I drive the car, she has to log in with my account. If the app later becomes the main way to unlock and use the car, that means only one driver profile will be supported. This makes no sense.
This is only partially true; though you’ll share an account (for now), each device acts as its own credential and can be linked to a profile in the car, so this is not the case.

  1. We currently have two driver profiles set up. Switching between them takes 35 seconds to 1 minute. In Tesla, it takes no more than one second, and the screen doesn’t even blink. In the Lucid, the screen turns completely off, music stops, and navigation is reset every time you switch profiles.
It will almost certainly get faster; the reason it reloads everything is it is isn’t Android Auto’s built-in security profiles. It was slower on the Air in the beginning too, but got much faster.
  1. Since pickup, the right-side screens froze twice. Both times I had to perform a soft reset. I couldn’t find any instructions online — probably because the car is still new. I tried checking the user manual through the Lucid app, but there’s no search function, and I couldn’t find anything. I ended up calling my sales rep for help.
It’s in the manual: https://publications.infotainment.p...tml#GUID-6C40309E-4630-4F7C-942F-FC96750961A9

  1. Driving at night, I wanted to dim the screen brightness to reduce eye strain. I couldn’t find any such option anywhere. It drove me crazy. My eyes were tired, and as far as I can tell, dimming the screens isn’t even possible.
Swipe down from the top on the pilot panel; brightness slider is on the left. Also in the manual: https://publications.infotainment.p...tml#GUID-B0B61F55-A29C-4260-B7DA-7C590A0E60B6

  1. Tesla’s navigation was bad, but Lucid’s is worse. Today, I used both Lucid’s navigation and Google Maps on my phone. Without Google Maps, I would have taken the wrong route several times. I don’t think I’ll ever rely on Lucid’s navigation again.
YMMV. I use Lucid’s nav daily, without issue, but other people have issues. It appears to depend on where you live/drive.

  1. I was told CarPlay was added later to the Air models and will eventually come to the Gravity. But there’s no official communication on this. Instead of showing off meditation-themed screen graphics before launch, they should have focused on CarPlay integration. Extras like meditation could have been added later as Easter eggs. A car without CarPlay in this day and age is unacceptable.
Perfectly acceptable to me, especially since it’s temporary, and I barely use CarPlay anyway.

Regardless, it will arrive, as an OTA.

  1. The Gravity gives an overwhelming number of alerts. If you turn your eyes slightly to glance at the screen, a “WATCH THE ROAD” warning pops up immediately. It’s excessive.
Have you set up your facial recognition in the car?

  1. When the front passenger turns around to talk to people in the back, the passenger airbags disable. We repeatedly saw the “Passenger Airbag Off” message while driving, then later “Passenger Airbag On.” To me, this looks like either a system bug or overly sensitive seat sensors.
Can you video this?

  1. The frunk close button doesn’t always respond. Often you have to press it a second time before it works.
Talk to service. Mine works 100% of the time.

  1. The trunk close button for the second row frequently fails to respond. It works once, but if you reopen and try again, it often won’t close until you press the button several times.
This is a service issue. They will fix this.

  1. The second-row seats close in two separate parts, and one part rubs against the other. When it finishes closing, you have to push the later-closed side down by hand to straighten it out.
Service.

Most of your issues are lack of knowing how to do stuff, though there are a couple actual service issues there.

Have fun!
 
Yes, black carpeted floor mats is definitely the reason you should drive a Tesla.
always cracks me up when i see guys like this... you wonder if they realize how they look for what they are saying.

"so far ahead of the game" -> "when they figure out how to get it to go 1k miles"..... and yet lucid is leading the mileage game?

comments about floor mats, but build quality is still an issue on my last model x purchased 2 yrs ago, so there is that.....

this whole thread has me laughing at how hard some are coping trying to defend tesla, when most of us have had to deal with both and are more than well aware of the differences and improvements that lucid has over tesla. Lucid is clearly what tesla could have been had they NOT had musk as the CEO, changing design to his whims. As such many of us appreciate where Lucid is in the short time frame they have been in the car market compared to where tesla was at that same point in time.
 
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