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In the decision making stage Gravity Touring lease — GT vs Touring + DreamDrive 2 Pro?

I'm an Air owner and when DDPro became hands free, I began to use it a lot more. That, alone, would make DDPro2 worth it to me. The things @Tâm listed are only the tip of the ice berg and are tracking for release in the next few weeks. I plan on swapping my Air for a Gravity and will no doubt be sticking with DDPro2.
 
mike1121 said:
My Gravity I just picked with DD Premium does this also
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Autolane Change is not shown when designing your Gravity DreamDrive™ 2 Premium (it's shown in the Pro):


DreamDrive™ 2 Premium

Lucid’s advanced driver-assistance system, DreamDrive™ 2 Premium, builds upon DreamDrive™ by adding 3D Surround View Monitoring for effortless parking and maneuvering.

DreamDrive™ 2 Premium features include:


  • Hands-on Drive Assist
    • Extended Stop & Go
    • Active Curve Speed Control
    • Speed Limit Assist
  • Traffic Sign Recognition
  • High-beam Assist
  • Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Intersection Assist
  • Lane Departure Protection
  • Blind Spot Protection
  • Safe Exit Protection
  • Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
  • Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
  • Park Distance Warning
  • Rear Parking Protection
  • Distracted & Drowsy Driver Alert
  • Rear View Monitoring with Surrounding Object Visualization
  • 3D Surround View Monitoring
  • Adaptive Lane Biasing
  • Speed Based Suggested Lane Change
  • Adaptive Drive Beam
  • Blind Spot Display
  • Automated Park In/Out
  • See-through Vehicle Display
 
Miami_Lucid_Man said:
If nothing else this thread shows that Lucid needs to do some work communicating the clear differences between all the DD (standard, premium, pro and 2).
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When you design your Lucid, you can click on the "i" icon to see what features you are buying.

For the Premium, it lists;

DreamDrive™ 2 Premium features include:


  • Hands-on Drive Assist
    • Extended Stop & Go
    • Active Curve Speed Control
    • Speed Limit Assist
  • Traffic Sign Recognition
  • High-beam Assist
  • Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Intersection Assist
  • Lane Departure Protection
  • Blind Spot Protection
  • Safe Exit Protection
  • Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
  • Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
  • Park Distance Warning
  • Rear Parking Protection
  • Distracted & Drowsy Driver Alert
  • Rear View Monitoring with Surrounding Object Visualization
  • 3D Surround View Monitoring
  • Adaptive Lane Biasing
  • Speed Based Suggested Lane Change
  • Adaptive Drive Beam
  • Blind Spot Display
  • Automated Park In/Out
  • See-through Vehicle Display
For the Pro, it lists:

DreamDrive™ 2 Pro adds:

  • Future-capable ADAS hardware for driving and parking with one of the most comprehensive sensor suites available
  • Hands-free Drive Assist (Available Q2 2026)
  • Traffic Light Detection (Available Q2 2026)
  • Automated Lane Change (Available Q2 2026)
  • Enhanced Automated Park In/Out (Parking between lines)
 
Tâm said:
When you design your Lucid, you can click on the "i" icon to see what features you are buying.

For the Premium, it lists;

DreamDrive™ 2 Premium features include:


  • Hands-on Drive Assist
    • Extended Stop & Go
    • Active Curve Speed Control
    • Speed Limit Assist
  • Traffic Sign Recognition
  • High-beam Assist
  • Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Intersection Assist
  • Lane Departure Protection
  • Blind Spot Protection
  • Safe Exit Protection
  • Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
  • Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
  • Park Distance Warning
  • Rear Parking Protection
  • Distracted & Drowsy Driver Alert
  • Rear View Monitoring with Surrounding Object Visualization
  • 3D Surround View Monitoring
  • Adaptive Lane Biasing
  • Speed Based Suggested Lane Change
  • Adaptive Drive Beam
  • Blind Spot Display
  • Automated Park In/Out
  • See-through Vehicle Display
For the Pro, it lists:

DreamDrive™ 2 Pro adds:

  • Future-capable ADAS hardware for driving and parking with one of the most comprehensive sensor suites available
  • Hands-free Drive Assist (Available Q2 2026)
  • Traffic Light Detection (Available Q2 2026)
  • Automated Lane Change (Available Q2 2026)
  • Enhanced Automated Park In/Out (Parking between lines)
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I think that "Hands-free Drive Assist" isn't very clear. Judging from the features listed under "Hands-on Drive Assist", I might assume that it just means the addition of automatic lane keeping without you having to steer, and no more. But given the pricing for the option, I could see a buyer assuming more than that. I do think it's valid to critique them for lack of clearer information.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I think that "Hands-free Drive Assist" isn't very clear. Judging from the features listed under "Hands-on Drive Assist", I might assume that it just means the addition of automatic lane keeping without you having to steer, and no more. But given the pricing for the option, I could see a buyer assuming more than that. I do think it's valid to critique them for lack of clearer information.
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I think all the other hands-free systems like Super Cruise, BlueCruise, Driving Assistant Professional, Autonomy+, Hands-Free Assist, Teammate Advanced Drive, etc. use similar language for similar capabilities.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I think that "Hands-free Drive Assist" isn't very clear. Judging from the features listed under "Hands-on Drive Assist", I might assume that it just means the addition of automatic lane keeping without you having to steer, and no more. But given the pricing for the option, I could see a buyer assuming more than that. I do think it's valid to critique them for lack of clearer information.
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What features buyers would assume more than what listed?
 
Kairide said:
I was looking to get more insight in how DD Pro takes the fatigue out of commutes and roadtrips in a way DD Premium doesn’t.
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I’ve never driven a Gravity with DDPremium so I can’t directly compare. As others have mentioned, though, the Air has hands-free today, is one of the differentiators, and there is no reason to believe it won’t be coming to the Gravity very soon. Not have to continuously hold onto the steering wheel will be less fatiguing.

For those that are happy with today’s basic hands-on lane centering, DDPremium may be good enough. For those wanting hands-free and continued advancement towards L2++, DDPro is a must. Even if DDPremium is similar to DDPro today, I’d bet the two systems will diverge significantly over time.

Just remember - DDPremium is not upgradable to DDPro due to hardware differences.
 
Funny, I happen to be in a great position to comment on this- I own a GGT with DHP, but it's in the shop for service. They gave me a base Touring loaner (1,300 miles on it). Car looks exactly the same- Black with stealth trim, Purlux interior. Been driving the loaner for a few days now, and these are my observations:
- For daily in-town driving, there's virtually no difference. plenty of power to accelerate onto the freeway, and never felt I was missing the extra ~250 Hp
-Definitely miss the DHP. Nothing extreme, but there's a nimbleness that's lacking in the loaner.
-What I miss the most is the 360 degree camera view. Didn't realize how much I've come to rely on it. Plus, it doesn't have the blind spot cameras that turn on with the turn signal.
-Oh, and I do miss the soft close doors. Mostly because I've gotten used to the gentle close, and I'm constantly getting reminded that you actually have to slam the door to close it.
-DD pro vs. premium? Well, we have the premium on our AGT, and it's fine. I have the DD pro 2 on my Gravity, and I used it a lot on a recent 1,500+ mile road trip. Didn't really miss the full hands-free aspect at all, so happy with my choice.
Finally, the Touring is significantly more efficient than the GGT. I'm averaging 3.4 mi/kWh in the Touring vs. ~2.95 in the GGT. Is that enough to make up for the 38% drop in battery capacity? I dunno, depends how you're going to drive it. Rough estimate is that you lose about 100 miles of real-world range with the Touring, but YMMV.
 
Sorry- misspoke above- My Gravity has DD premium, Air has DDpro
 
Tâm said:
DreamDrive 2 Premium...
  • Hands-on Drive Assist
    • Extended Stop & Go
    • Active Curve Speed Control
    • Speed Limit Assist
  • ...
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I just had a realization... Does DreamDrive even do lane centering at all, or is it just basic lane keep assist (the ping pong version? The bullets listed are just Traffic Aware Cruise Control and a bunch of safety features with no mention of lane centering. Most automakers have two tiers of their ADAS - lower tier is just TACC, and the upgrade tier is TACC + Lane Centering. The lower tier often has Lane Keep Assist, but that is very much not the same as Lane Centering.
 
Exxxviii said:
I just had a realization... Does DreamDrive even do lane centering at all, or is it just basic lane keep assist (the ping pong version? The bullets listed are just Traffic Aware Cruise Control and a bunch of safety features with no mention of lane centering. Most automakers have two tiers of their ADAS - lower tier is just TACC, and the upgrade tier is TACC + Lane Centering. The lower tier often has Lane Keep Assist, but that is very much not the same as Lane Centering.
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Without muddying the waters further, mine has DD premium and maintains the lane (centered), distance from vehicle ahead as well as speed and lane change when I click left or right. If that helps.
 
Exxxviii said:
I just had a realization... Does DreamDrive even do lane centering at all, or is it just basic lane keep assist (the ping pong version? The bullets listed are just Traffic Aware Cruise Control and a bunch of safety features with no mention of lane centering. Most automakers have two tiers of their ADAS - lower tier is just TACC, and the upgrade tier is TACC + Lane Centering. The lower tier often has Lane Keep Assist, but that is very much not the same as Lane Centering.
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Hands-on Drive Assist means Autosteer/Autopilot/Lane Centering... with intermittent alarms if manual steering torque is not detected (just like Tesla Autopilot).

Hands-free Drive Assist means Autosteer with no alarms even when your hands are not on the steering wheel. It does have alarms in some situations like the HD mapping in some sections of the roads is switching the mode to Hands-on Drive Assist, or the camera detects sleeping on the wheel... but not because of the lack of manual steering torque.

The bullet points are extra features in addition to the Autosteer. Stop and go was not available when I bought the Air even though its Autosteer works fine. The bullets clarify that those extra features are now working.
 
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Tâm said:
Hands-on Drive Assist means Autosteer/Autopilot/Lane Centering... with intermittent alarms if manual steering torque is not detected (just like Tesla Autopilot).
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The Gravity’s steering wheel is capacitive - no torque needed. Just maintain contact. This is a huge improvement over having to periodically wiggle the steering wheel.
 
Saksak said:
The Gravity’s steering wheel is capacitive - no torque needed. Just maintain contact. This is a huge improvement over having to periodically wiggle the steering wheel.
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Thanks for the correction.

Gravity capacitive sensor is much better method than my Air torque sensor.
 
Tâm said:
What features buyers would assume more than what listed?
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There's a whole array of capabilities beyond DD Pro that Tesla offers, and a lot of Lucid's target market will be familiar with FSD, and may assume some part of it's capabilities. That's not something that Lucid has promised, but there's still plenty of room for the naive to make assumptions, given how little Lucid has said about exactly what to expect. If my base description is what they think they're promising, then they should just plainly say that. Why let overly terse language cause any confusion?
 
TahoeMichael said:
There's a whole array of capabilities beyond DD Pro that Tesla offers, and a lot of Lucid's target market will be familiar with FSD, and may assume some part of it's capabilities. That's not something that Lucid has promised, but there's still plenty of room for the naive to make assumptions, given how little Lucid has said about exactly what to expect. If my base description is what they think they're promising, then they should just plainly say that. Why let overly terse language cause any confusion?
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What counts is what are in the contract at the sale as spelled out by the design page.

If Lucid promised that its vehicle can carrying 7 but on the design page, you can only pay for 5 while the option for 7 is absent,

That's it! You pay 5 and you cannot expect or hope that it'll become 7 at the delivery or some other time in the future.

Lucid promised L3 and personal-owned L4 but what counts is are those listed in the price that you paid.
 
Tâm said:
What counts is what are in the contract at the sale as spelled out by the design page.

If Lucid promised that its vehicle can carrying 7 but on the design page, you can only pay for 5 while the option for 7 is absent,

That's it! You pay 5 and you cannot expect or hope that it'll become 7 at the delivery or some other time in the future.

Lucid promised L3 and personal-owned L4 but what counts is are those listed in the price that you paid.
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I think his point is the descriptions themselves as to what's included with each are confusing.
 
I still say Lucid should include what used to be known as basic autopilot in the Tesla world with every new vehicle it sells.
 
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