How is the Press Responding to the opening of Gravity Orders?

[HC_79]

maintain confidence in their in their claim of starting production before year end.

“Claim”

I'm okay with Lucid missing the start of production by year end

I just worry that there might be a little borrowing from Peter to pay Paul with schedules

It’s a bunch of unnecessary speculation. If Lucid wasn’t going to make production by year end they wouldn’t be confirming it on an investors call that took place yesterday.

You’re continually looking for issues. You weren’t happy that no reviews were released before orders opened, yet you still ordered. Then you pivoted to canceling based on a rumor captains chairs were coming and now you’re alluding to something is up because Lucid isn’t giving all the information you want. I honestly don’t know why you ordered day 1 with all your concerns and should’ve just had some patience and waited.

 

[hmp10]

It's a bunch of unnecessary speculation. If Lucid wasn’t going to make production by year end they wouldn’t be confirming it on an investors call that took place yesterday.

You’re continually looking for issues. You weren’t happy that no reviews were released before orders opened, yet you still ordered. Then you pivoted to canceling based on a rumor captains chairs were coming and now you’re alluding to something is up because Lucid isn’t giving all the information you want. I honestly don’t know why you ordered day 1 with all your concerns and should’ve just had some patience and waited.

This is a discussion forum, not a news reporting site. I love the Lucid product and enjoy watching the company and trying to guess what might be going on behind the scenes and hearing what other people think about the things on which I muse. I have always enjoyed postulating about things and getting pushback to stress test my own thoughts.

Probably best just to quit reading my posts if they upset you so. I doubt you'll be the first.

 

[hmp10]

It’s a bunch of unnecessary speculation.

I've been thinking about this overnight, and you have a point.

I've been using this site too much for my own entertainment lately and will cool it a bit on speculating about the company and stick more to discussing the products.

 

[Adnillien]

The definition of starting production is pretty vague. Would have some body panels through the paint shop count? Or is it start of general assembly, start of body in white or start of battery modules. Lucid can start production this year and we still may not see and finished customer Gravity for a long time. I hope deliveries are earlier but I am thinking mid to late Q1 is more likely. Pure speculation on my part and I am OK with that schedule as long as the finished product is great which I expect it to be.

 

[illopp00]

Well, it's not the length of time...it's more along the lines that I had some expectation they would release all the details for a vehicle scheduled to go into production in a few weeks alongside the preordering configurations and prices. I'm not sure exactly what they are waiting for. If they have all the final specs, I don't really see a reason to not release them....it almost seems like they are trying to suppress initial demand by not releasing all info, having prototypes in studios and test drives as well as journalist reviews. Alternatively, it could leave me to believe it isn't fully baked yet. I guess we'll find out soon!

I don't think they have all the final specs, it's in some queue for EPA validation.

 

[tonybot]

I've been thinking about this overnight, and you have a point.

I've been using this site too much for my own entertainment lately and will cool it a bit on speculating about the company and stick more to discussing the products.

For the record, I enjoy reading your posts, and they make me think about possibilities I have not considered or contemplated. That goes for pretty much everyone on these threads, including valid points raised by @HC_79. In my opinion, there is no harm in conversing.

On another note, I got a call from Lucid Sales, and I was able to make some changes, like adding additional options. They told me they would stay in touch every two weeks or so and that, most likely, delivery, in my case, would be around March if they have to make a guess. Trade-in for Texas is still a work in progress because of the laws that prefer the dealership model, but it sounds like trade-in will be a real possibility for many other states. Speak to your sales advisor to learn more about trade-in possibilities in your state.

 

[tonybot]

The definition of starting production is pretty vague. Would have some body panels through the paint shop count? Or is it start of general assembly, start of body in white or start of battery modules. Lucid can start production this year and we still may not see and finished customer Gravity for a long time. I hope deliveries are earlier but I am thinking mid to late Q1 is more likely. Pure speculation on my part and I am OK with that schedule as long as the finished product is great which I expect it to be.

He was guessing, but my SA guessed March for me. My order was in around an hour after the orders went in. I still hope a handful of selected folks, including many of the old-timers in this forum, will receive their order by the end of this year, along with the press and influencers. I am happy to wait until March or early Q2 for my delivery.

 

[HC_79]

I've been thinking about this overnight, and you have a point.

I've been using this site too much for my own entertainment lately and will cool it a bit on speculating about the company and stick more to discussing the products.

Why would I ignore you? Your knowledge, insights, feedback, and stories about your Lucid journey have been mostly positive, with a few sad moments, but most importantly, they’ve been valuable for all who’ve read them, including myself.

All I’m saying is, enjoy the journey and don’t get bogged down by the details. I’m sure (and hoping) we’ll receive more information in the coming days or weeks, but for now, let’s all be thrilled that we’re one step closer to having the Gravity in our driveways. I’m certain you can agree that, based on the Air, we’re going to get an incredible SUV.

 

[levsha]

Personally for me the comparison is with EX90.
And right now Gravity is much more expensive: just base Grand Touring with only 7 seating option is $99,525.
EX90 Ultra with Performance package is $90,640. And it includes already 7 seats, massage, active air suspension, heated steering wheel and front and back seats.
The only advantage of Gravity valuable for me would be longer range.
Yes Gravity GT will be faster, but I don't need it that fast. Yes that probably just means I don't need GT and should wait for Touring. However I don't need EX90 in Ultra with Performance - I'll compare Touring with Plus. And then it could be comparable - will heavily depend what will be included in Touring and how much will options cost.

 

[AirTom]

I think they were under pressure to get the order list going, but production is not ready. I recently saw what they were producing and they are still in preproduction. But I was impressed with what I saw. I think they are zeroing in on the little things to make sure that it's right before someone gets it to test and review.

 

[hydbob]

Personally for me the comparison is with EX90.
And right now Gravity is much more expensive: just base Grand Touring with only 7 seating option is $99,525.
EX90 Ultra with Performance package is $90,640. And it includes already 7 seats, massage, active air suspension, heated steering wheel and front and back seats.
The only advantage of Gravity valuable for me would be longer range.
Yes Gravity GT will be faster, but I don't need it that fast. Yes that probably just means I don't need GT and should wait for Touring. However I don't need EX90 in Ultra with Performance - I'll compare Touring with Plus. And then it could be comparable - will heavily depend what will be included in Touring and how much will options cost.

The space in the EX90 compared to the Gracity sucks.

 

[levsha]

The space in the EX90 compared to the Gracity sucks.

I can't compare it as I've been siting in EX90 but not in Gravity. 1st and 2nd row are huge in EX90. 3rd row is smaller, but acceptable for us: during the last 6 years I never had a need to have 7 tall adults in my current car (and it is significantly smaller), so I was always able to find someone to sit on the 3rd. It will be challenging for me therefore to justify significantly higher using what I don't really need.

 

[Neurio]

I can't compare it as I've been siting in EX90 but not in Gravity. 1st and 2nd row are huge in EX90. 3rd row is smaller, but acceptable for us: during the last 6 years I never had a need to have 7 tall adults in my current car (and it is significantly smaller), so I was always able to find someone to sit on the 3rd. It will be challenging for me therefore to justify significantly higher using what I don't really need.

I tried to sit in an EX90 3rd row yesterday. I only fit if the 2nd row was all the way forward. I'm 6 ft, so I know it's designed for me. But in Gravity, a 6'6" person supposedly can comfortably fit. The EX90 drove well and was comfortable, but in terms of overall space and range/power, it can't hold a candle to Gravity.

 

[levsha]

I tried to sit in an EX90 3rd row yesterday. I only fit if the 2nd row was all the way forward. I'm 6 ft, so I know it's designed for me.

I definitely don't have plans to have anyone 6' tall to sit the 3rd row. Yes I have some friends and relatives that are even higher, but I can't imagine any scenario when I'll need to have 6 people 6'+ tall in our car.
So again, not for our usage scenarios.

But in Gravity, a 6'6" person supposedly can comfortably fit.

I'd compare by myself If I could, but I don't have this possibility and looks like I'll have it maybe in a year the earliest.

The EX90 drove well and was comfortable

And that is also the thing: I can already sit in EX90, I'll be able to drive it very likely in a month or two, and will be able to have it in several months if I'll decide to. Gravity - when?

 

[Batteryman]

Personally for me the comparison is with EX90.
And right now Gravity is much more expensive: just base Grand Touring with only 7 seating option is $99,525.
EX90 Ultra with Performance package is $90,640. And it includes already 7 seats, massage, active air suspension, heated steering wheel and front and back seats.
The only advantage of Gravity valuable for me would be longer range.
Yes Gravity GT will be faster, but I don't need it that fast. Yes that probably just means I don't need GT and should wait for Touring. However I don't need EX90 in Ultra with Performance - I'll compare Touring with Plus. And then it could be comparable - will heavily depend what will be included in Touring and how much will options cost.

Gravity will have better range, better performance, better ride and handling, better space, better software.

The software in Volvo is not ready- "Additionally, Volvo is now informing buyers that their flagship will be delivered without 10 key features. Among other things, the car will lack lidar safety, Apple Car Play, automatic braking for crossing traffic, and the ability to draw power from the battery to external sources. The car's computer will also not shut down, consuming three percent of the car's battery every day for 72 hours."

https://www.reddit.com/r/MVIS/comments/1drbgj3/volvos_ex90_the_challenges_of_software

Thats a lot of "betters" to justify the price.

I am also not a Volvo fan after they got bought by the Chinese, not sure where my data is going.

 

[levsha]

Gravity will have better range,

Yes

better performance,

Yes, but I don't need it. I don't need sub 4 seconds. Even sub 6 seconds is more than enough for me. Good to have it faster? Sure! Pay for it? No - I don't like unreasonable spending, doesn't matter how big or small they are.

better ride and handling,

That is pure speculations for now.

better space,

Yes. However EX90 has it already enough. If Gravity would have the same space in smaller dimensions, that would be huge argument for me.

better software.

Not at all. EX90 Is AAOS with GApps - that is already much much better for me: properly integrated Google Maps (or any other navigation app I want), multimedia apps I want and much much more.
And Lucid still promises Android Auto for Air (and it's unlikely it will be properly integrated), and doesn't officially mention anything about Android Auto in Gravity. And overall I'm not impressed by the software quality in Air: just look at sheduled charging issues.

The software in Volvo is not ready- "Additionally, Volvo is now informing buyers that their flagship will be delivered without 10 key features. Among other things, the car will lack lidar safety, Apple Car Play, automatic braking for crossing traffic, and the ability to draw power from the battery to external sources. The car's computer will also not shut down, consuming three percent of the car's battery every day for 72 hours."

That was several months ago. And even without all of this it looks comparable to what Lucid currently has (not promises).

Thats a lot of "betters" to justify the price.

I am also not a Volvo fan after they got bought by the Chinese, not sure where my data is going.

And Lucid is owned by Saudits. And TBH I'm not impressed by the way I see how Lucid implement remote controls, especially for security point of view.

 

[Adnillien]

And Lucid still promises Android Auto for Air (and it's unlikely it will be properly integrated), and doesn't officially mention anything about Android Auto in Gravity. And overall I'm not impressed by the software quality in Air: just look at sheduled charging issues.

I would probably actually use the Lucid software before making such a comment.

 

[EVCar]

Personally for me the comparison is with EX90.
And right now Gravity is much more expensive: just base Grand Touring with only 7 seating option is $99,525.
EX90 Ultra with Performance package is $90,640. And it includes already 7 seats, massage, active air suspension, heated steering wheel and front and back seats.
The only advantage of Gravity valuable for me would be longer range.
Yes Gravity GT will be faster, but I don't need it that fast. Yes that probably just means I don't need GT and should wait for Touring. However I don't need EX90 in Ultra with Performance - I'll compare Touring with Plus. And then it could be comparable - will heavily depend what will be included in Touring and how much will options cost.

If one wants to indulge in he Gravity, one justification/rationalization can be: the extra 10k = $166 per month, if the car is kept for 5 years., which is only 0.17% of the Gravity purchase price, and one would get more features and space than the EX90.
That said, I'm holding out for the captain chairs -- and possibly lower price by the time this materializes, if it does.
Was going to get the MB R class for this feature, but it's discontinued for the US.

 

[levsha]

I would probably actually use the Lucid software before making such a comment.

Well we have comment about promising better software in Gravity with obviously no experience with it and looks like no experience with EX90 either. And what I see in EX90 (and in all other EXnn, also in person) is already really good.

 

[levsha]

If one wants to indulge in he Gravity, one justification/rationalization can be: the extra 10k = $166 per month, if the car is kept for 5 years., which is only 0.17% of the Gravity purchase price,

This is usual misleading manipulation to make things cheaper than they are by splitting it over many monthly payments. I can just pay 10k out of the pocket, or pay it monthly - doesn't matter. But as I've said: I don't like unreasonable spending: 10k for something valuable - sure, 10k for something that I don't need - no.

and one would get more features and space than the EX90.

Space yes. Features no: 10k cheaper EX90 has more features. If I'll add to Gravity what EX90 already has it will be very likely 10k-15k more - 20k-25k more in total