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"Savage Geese" just posted a review of the Kia EV9. Not only did they like the car, they said Kia is giving very aggressive lease terms: a $70K trim-level (near the top of the range) on a 2-year lease with $2-3,000 down for $300 a month.

They said it was not in the same class as the Gravity when it came to space packaging but thought it blew GM products away in terms of materials and build quality at that price point.

I wonder what this pricing signifies in terms of how hot the EV SUV market will be for Lucid?

 
As far as I understand, Hyundai group is at a transition point in their software defined vehicle development. I am not entirely sure how much of that has gone into these vehicles. It is also not clear if they are transitioning to something completely new (a complete overhaul?) or working their way to make existing software compatible with all types of software updates. Personally, I believe that's where many of these EVs are going to hold up their value. That's one reason Rivians still have good customer demand. They will continue to receive software updates while many others may be obsolete in that sense. They will still be great vehicles, but won't hold their value much.
 
They will still be great vehicles, but won't hold their value much.

"Savage Geese" talked about how much is rapidly changing on the EV front as well as steep depreciation. That's why they thought this 2-year / $300-a-month lease deal was so compelling.

I'm just wondering how much pressure such aggressive lease deals will put on the Gravity pricing.
 
"Savage Geese" just posted a review of the Kia EV9. Not only did they like the car, they said Kia is giving very aggressive lease terms: a $70K trim-level (near the top of the range) on a 2-year lease with $2-3,000 down for $300 a month.

They said it was not in the same class as the Gravity when it came to space packaging but thought it blew GM products away in terms of materials and build quality at that price point.

I wonder what this pricing signifies in terms of how hot the EV SUV market will be for Lucid?


Take it for what it is worth but it is 3x the next ones...
 
"Savage Geese" just posted a review of the Kia EV9. Not only did they like the car, they said Kia is giving very aggressive lease terms: a $70K trim-level (near the top of the range) on a 2-year lease with $2-3,000 down for $300 a month.

They said it was not in the same class as the Gravity when it came to space packaging but thought it blew GM products away in terms of materials and build quality at that price point.

I wonder what this pricing signifies in terms of how hot the EV SUV market will be for Lucid?

What is the buy out after the two year lease?
 
I had a chance to see this vehicle yesterday when I was at the auto show at the State Fair of Texas.... I definitely had a bit of sticker shock when saw the $72k window sticker. I also had a chance to look at the vehicle briefly. The 3rd row legroom in the EV9 is absolutely laughable. I'm pretty sure the 2nd row seats were probably all the way back...but in that position, the seat back was literally about 3-4 inches from the 3rd row seat cushion. Even a small child couldn't fit their legs between the back of the 2nd row and the seat cushion.

On a side note, I was also shocked when I saw that Lucid had a display there this year for the first time which was great to see given the huge crowds that attend the fair. That being said, their display seemed a bit underwhelming. They had 2 cars and both were full of fingerprints and the screens were displaying warning messages and the rep from Lucid seemed completely disengaged. He was staring at his phone, ignoring customers and seemed like he couldn't wait to get out of there. All of those things combined wasn't a great look, to be honest and it seemed like a missed opportunity to really show off the two Airs they had on display there and gain public interest.
 
I had a chance to see this vehicle yesterday when I was at the auto show at the State Fair of Texas.... I definitely had a bit of sticker shock when saw the $72k window sticker. I also had a chance to look at the vehicle briefly. The 3rd row legroom in the EV9 is absolutely laughable. I'm pretty sure the 2nd row seats were probably all the way back...but in that position, the seat back was literally about 3-4 inches from the 3rd row seat cushion. Even a small child couldn't fit their legs between the back of the 2nd row and the seat cushion.

On a side note, I was also shocked when I saw that Lucid had a display there this year for the first time which was great to see given the huge crowds that attend the fair. That being said, their display seemed a bit underwhelming. They had 2 cars and both were full of fingerprints and the screens were displaying warning messages and the rep from Lucid seemed completely disengaged. He was staring at his phone, ignoring customers and seemed like he couldn't wait to get out of there. All of those things combined wasn't a great look, to be honest and it seemed like a missed opportunity to really show off the two Airs they had on display there and gain public interest.
I'm reading thought your posts.
Consider yourself (and myself) shocked.
 
. . . the screens were displaying warning messages and the rep from Lucid seemed completely disengaged.

Given the early reputational hit Lucid endured over its awful launch software -- and that still lingers in the press and social media -- this is absolutely inexcusable.

Lucid's software is in the big leagues now, but they've still got a lot of reputation to clean up on this score.
 
Given the early reputational hit Lucid endured over its awful launch software -- and that still lingers in the press and social media -- this is absolutely inexcusable.

Lucid's software is in the big leagues now, but they've still got a lot of reputation to clean up on this score.

I agree 100%. They needed some sort of Demo mode on the software and the error message on the left side of the screen with the big red triangle was something about a power steering fault which is very alarming in both the appearance and the message itself. My first thought was "yikes!". Not a good look when you're trying to make positive first impressions! A display booth in that condition could actually do more harm than good in regards to public perception!
 
I agree 100%. They needed some sort of Demo mode on the software and the error message on the left side of the screen with the big red triangle was something about a power steering fault which is very alarming in both the appearance and the message itself. My first thought was "yikes!". Not a good look when you're trying to make positive first impressions! A display booth in that condition could actually do more harm than good in regards to public perception!
Hope Lucid trains its sales people aggresively...no slacking!
 
I agree 100%. They needed some sort of Demo mode on the software and the error message on the left side of the screen with the big red triangle was something about a power steering fault which is very alarming in both the appearance and the message itself. My first thought was "yikes!". Not a good look when you're trying to make positive first impressions! A display booth in that condition could actually do more harm than good in regards to public perception!
They do have a demo mode. I have no idea what was going on in that situation.
 
@hmp10 there are compromises, but the new Ioniq 9 SUV does have second-row swivel chairs:
“However, it says that these seats will be available “in selected markets only,” and it has declined to say exactly which markets those are yet.”

I am so excited there are so many more great EVs coming. Seriously.
 
Alex on Autos:
"
Hyundai’s 2026 Ioniq 9 is the family-friendly 3-row EV so many have been waiting for. It will seat 6 or 7, go 300+ miles on a charge, qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit, and as a result will likely be the least expensive electric family hauler in America.

Don't let the pics fool you, the Ioniq 9 is pretty big. It's a hair under 200 inches long with a whopping 123.2 inch long wheelbase. That's how it packs more legroom than a Hyundai Palisade or Grand Highlander while also having over 20 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row. Headroom? That's also better than the Palisade, although exact dimensions are a little fuzzy at the moment. What's not fuzzy is that this is the first 3-row EV in America with a tilt/slide 2nd row seat that lets you leave a LATCH anchored child seat in place while accessing the 3rd row.

The tax credit and long-range (over 300 miles in every trim) is thanks to a new 110.3 kWh battery pack that will be built in the USA. The motors should be familiar to existing Hyundai EV owners, there's a 214 HP motor in the back and your choice of 94 or 214 HP motor in the front (or none at all for the longest range). The new battery will scoot from 10-80% in 24 minutes, but more impressively: 0-80% in under 30 minutes and 0-100% in around 45 minutes making this the quickest charging 3-row in America.

Cargo capacity? That’s also class leading with similar room to the Rivian R1S and way more than a Model X. The only thing missing? A spare tire. I guess we can't have everything.
The interior is a blend of Ioniq 6 and Santa Fe with faux wood, ambient lighting, two-tone color pallets, and all of Hyundai's latest tech. That includes: phone as key, OTA updates, wireless CarPlay / Android Auto, and... native J3400 charging. Yep, it'll have the "Tesla connector" standard! Although... To hit those lofty charge times, you'll have to use the adapter and an 800V CCS charging station. Charge times at a Tesla station will stretch out by around 20% until Tesla finishes the deployment of their V4 stations.

We don’t know pricing yet, but expect it to start at just over $60,000, although that tax credit could get the effective price down to the low to mid 50s…. as long as it sticks around. The tax credit is possible because this will be built in Georgia where Hyundai has invested nearly $13 billion USD in new factories for the production of the Ioniq 9, the Ioniq 5, and other EVs including the related Kia EV9.

So... About that EV9, and the somewhat similarly shaped Volvo EX90. Which one do you like best? I think the EX90 looks sleeker and has a much nicer interior, but is it worth an extra $20,000+? Especially considering the hot mess that is Volvo's new infotainment software, and the fact that EX90 won't get the full credit, or any credit at all if you get carried away with options. (Max MSRP caps apply). EV9? The Hyundai has more range and a snazzier interior IMHO."
 
Alex on Autos:
"
Hyundai’s 2026 Ioniq 9 is the family-friendly 3-row EV so many have been waiting for. It will seat 6 or 7, go 300+ miles on a charge, qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit, and as a result will likely be the least expensive electric family hauler in America.

Don't let the pics fool you, the Ioniq 9 is pretty big. It's a hair under 200 inches long with a whopping 123.2 inch long wheelbase. That's how it packs more legroom than a Hyundai Palisade or Grand Highlander while also having over 20 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row. Headroom? That's also better than the Palisade, although exact dimensions are a little fuzzy at the moment. What's not fuzzy is that this is the first 3-row EV in America with a tilt/slide 2nd row seat that lets you leave a LATCH anchored child seat in place while accessing the 3rd row.

The tax credit and long-range (over 300 miles in every trim) is thanks to a new 110.3 kWh battery pack that will be built in the USA. The motors should be familiar to existing Hyundai EV owners, there's a 214 HP motor in the back and your choice of 94 or 214 HP motor in the front (or none at all for the longest range). The new battery will scoot from 10-80% in 24 minutes, but more impressively: 0-80% in under 30 minutes and 0-100% in around 45 minutes making this the quickest charging 3-row in America.

Cargo capacity? That’s also class leading with similar room to the Rivian R1S and way more than a Model X. The only thing missing? A spare tire. I guess we can't have everything.
The interior is a blend of Ioniq 6 and Santa Fe with faux wood, ambient lighting, two-tone color pallets, and all of Hyundai's latest tech. That includes: phone as key, OTA updates, wireless CarPlay / Android Auto, and... native J3400 charging. Yep, it'll have the "Tesla connector" standard! Although... To hit those lofty charge times, you'll have to use the adapter and an 800V CCS charging station. Charge times at a Tesla station will stretch out by around 20% until Tesla finishes the deployment of their V4 stations.

We don’t know pricing yet, but expect it to start at just over $60,000, although that tax credit could get the effective price down to the low to mid 50s…. as long as it sticks around. The tax credit is possible because this will be built in Georgia where Hyundai has invested nearly $13 billion USD in new factories for the production of the Ioniq 9, the Ioniq 5, and other EVs including the related Kia EV9.

So... About that EV9, and the somewhat similarly shaped Volvo EX90. Which one do you like best? I think the EX90 looks sleeker and has a much nicer interior, but is it worth an extra $20,000+? Especially considering the hot mess that is Volvo's new infotainment software, and the fact that EX90 won't get the full credit, or any credit at all if you get carried away with options. (Max MSRP caps apply). EV9? The Hyundai has more range and a snazzier interior IMHO."
Charging port on rear passenger side. I recall charging port location was also a concern of @hmp10 .
 
Charging port on rear passenger side. I recall charging port location was also a concern of @hmp10 .

My concern was not with its being on the rear passenger side, but rather how far forward it was from the rear edge of the car. This arose from having owned two Teslas. Their charge ports are at the very edge of the rear, actually integrated into the rear tail lamps. Even then, the cars had to backed as close to a Supercharger as possible for the short cables to reach the port.

I'm still confused about which Superchargers will be usable with a Lucid -- if any ever are -- and whether Lucids can only charge at ones that have the newer, longer cables without having to occupy two charging spots.
 
The Ioniq 9 should sell well based on the number of Hyundai ICE SUVs on the road; especially the Pallisade.

As these newest EVs debut (Lyriq, Vistiq, Ioniq 9, etc.) I notice they don't have the faux grilles like the Audi Q8 etron, EQS, BMX iX, and others. That says to me, the Gravity frontal area may start appealing to those who have talked about it as a negative.

Overall, the Gravity looks much better than the Ioniq 9. The range and performance of Gravity are better. Larger frunk with Gravity. Gravity is shorter in height and length.

I suppose you wouldn't call the I9 a luxury ev suv since Genesis is the luxury brand of Hyundai, so maybe not a direct competitor to Gravity.
 
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