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Engineering Explained - Lucid Responded
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I doubt the DDP is related to a console SOC. They will probably do for the UU what Tesla did to the fsd hardware 3 owners and stop updating features and just push bug fixes.
I've looked at the UX 3.0 and it is more in line with Tesla's offering. It's more modern and has more features. The cccv2 update would make most of the important hardware, except for the screen, match the Gravity. I would like a screen update to get a single panel instead of the 3, but that's not happening.
They are PERFECT for Red Bulls!!Surprised no one is cheering about the cup holders
Seriously? This is exactly the kind of place potential buyers go when trying to learn more about purchasing a vehicle.
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A few thoughts:
* It’s disappointing to me that these plans were only publicized as the result of his largely negative review. Lucid should have made owners aware of this roadmap regardless, not as the result of feeling compelled to address an almost viral negative review.
* Similarly the need for the new chip for UX3 on older cars should have been made clear by Lucid when the chip was introduced. There was conjecture here as to any ‘hidden’ need the chip might have in future developments, but it was just that, conjecture. Since I’m skeptical that the new UX will be released on time and I’m not even 100% sure I’ll still own the car by then, I’ll still hold off on the $1,000 upgrade. I’m perfectly fine with the current speed of different aspects of the software, so that’s not a selling point for me.
* The premise that the car would supply enough power for his house for 4+ days is predicated on a full charge. This is simply not reasonable. Very few people will have a full charge coincidentally upon the loss of home power. The overwhelming majority of people like myself only charge to 80% and many don’t do so on a daily basis. Further, having an 80% charge is only a reasonable assumption if you do charge on a daily basis and haven’t driven since your last charge when the power outage occurs. This is not to say the feature isn’t desirable, but expectations about how long a house can be powered should be tempered with realistic expectations.
* I had similar cupholder issues with my Jaguar I-Pace, but found that taping the little rubber protrusions to the side solved the problem.
* It’s disappointing to me that these plans were only publicized as the result of his largely negative review. Lucid should have made owners aware of this roadmap regardless, not as the result of feeling compelled to address an almost viral negative review.
* Similarly the need for the new chip for UX3 on older cars should have been made clear by Lucid when the chip was introduced. There was conjecture here as to any ‘hidden’ need the chip might have in future developments, but it was just that, conjecture. Since I’m skeptical that the new UX will be released on time and I’m not even 100% sure I’ll still own the car by then, I’ll still hold off on the $1,000 upgrade. I’m perfectly fine with the current speed of different aspects of the software, so that’s not a selling point for me.
* The premise that the car would supply enough power for his house for 4+ days is predicated on a full charge. This is simply not reasonable. Very few people will have a full charge coincidentally upon the loss of home power. The overwhelming majority of people like myself only charge to 80% and many don’t do so on a daily basis. Further, having an 80% charge is only a reasonable assumption if you do charge on a daily basis and haven’t driven since your last charge when the power outage occurs. This is not to say the feature isn’t desirable, but expectations about how long a house can be powered should be tempered with realistic expectations.
* I had similar cupholder issues with my Jaguar I-Pace, but found that taping the little rubber protrusions to the side solved the problem.
YT reviews are fine, but they are only a slice of the decision tree when I'm digging in on a car. Brand forums are probably more important to my pre-qualifying process, but a studio visit and test drive is where most of my process happens. For YT upstarts, unfavorable reviews make it harder to get cars to review so there is incentive to be charitable and giggle under aggressive acceleration.
You made good points, but a car can travel to a supercharger and return to the house. The guy is not going to take your current state of charge in to account simply because i keep my car at 65-30% while you may charge it to 80%. The potential is there for a 100% charge and i can go to a supercharger and come back to power my house. If you are looking at a situation where you can't do that, you have a bigger problem.
As someone in the IT field, knowing what hardware you need for a future software is hard to do. There is a lot of R&D and performance testing that goes into it. The hardware was released in 2024 before the gravity ux 3.0 was completed. Most car companies do not offer a path to upgrade hardware. Even Tesla offered a path only because people threatened to sue them. A company willingly offering an upgrade that cost less than $1k for a car that retails over $100k for the most popular model is rare. Most traditional manufacturers don't even offer features OTA. You get what bought and that's it. Based on what Lucid said in 2022-4, they only owe you DDP updates. That is likely unrelated to the UI since it likely uses a separate subsystem.
I can assure you I'm not a fanboi. Not for any brand. I still realize that this one specific issue is something where Lucid is over-delivering. They never told you that you would get a major update to the UX.
Companies also don't announce internal plans for very obvious reasons. Musk might go on Twitter and BS people about what his cars will do, but that is not the norm. Nor should it be. You tell people what you have when have it because problems can prevent delivering on that promise.
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Agreed. I recently bought a Gravity with the NVIDIA Orin chip. Recent news has revealed that with this chip, Gravity will hopefully be capable of Level 2++ autonomy in near future but not the planned Level 4 autonomy (hopefully in a couple of years) that is planned for the upcoming Midsize using the soon to be released NVIDIA Thor chip. Yes, it would have been nice to have my car capable of eventual Level 4 but I realize that when Lucid was designing Gravity, Orin was the best chip available and so we have to live with it’s limitations. I would love it if Lucid would offer to upgrade my Orin chip to a Thor, but certainly do not expect it. I got what was promised (at least on the ADAS front - still waiting for all of the other promised features that are “coming soon.”)
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Sure you can go to a SC as long as it too is not impacted by the power outage. If it is then you’ll need to travel to a SC where the outage hasn’t impacted the area. In a fairly widespread outage, finding a SC might not be so easy and when/if you do, wait times might be considerable.
I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but simply trying to illustrate that sometimes the solution isn’t as simplistic as some make it seem. You may be right, your local SC might be alive & well, but it might not be.
Well said.
once every two weeks I'd have trouble waking my Tesla with my phone key as I approached and had to do reboots about once every 6-10 weeks for audio issues - and theyre the exalted standard for car software
The Tesla model 3 hardware update was 2.5k.
$995 for Ccv2 is perfectly reasonable and cheap!
And if you thought software driven cars never need hardware updates, you are wrong. They are computers on wheels.
Be glad they are offering an update instead of one having to buy a new model year.
I have had plenty of power outages at my house where I would have the opportunity to drive to a SC that wasn't impacted, this was the primary scenario I was expecting with V2H charging if/when it's released in 2030.
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This is just how it is in some Seattle suburbs. Power goes out fairly regularly in the NE suburb of Sammamish, where for the last few years at least, power has stayed off long enough for refrigerated food to become risky. Meanwhile, the power is on just a few miles away. Access to V2H, or at least V2L, would be GREAT here.
At least it happens in Sammamish due to an actual failure. In Saratoga, CA (where I used to live), PG&E will cut the power for extended periods just to lower their risk profile.
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I agree though there is precedence in this industry to make that chip modular. Look at how many times Tesla has had to says oops we need more compute HW2, HW3, HW4 etc, and how fast NVDIA is iterating on new chips to stay ahead in data centers. I am actually in favor of paying a 1K annual subscription to get software Infotainment/ADAS updates with HW Chip upgrades for ADAS/Infotainment if it keeps the cars fresh. And I know most people are vehemently against subscriptions for car features. I mean I don't see the purpose of paying an extra subscription for special cell connectivity since I already have my phone, and they are just giving me the same thing wrapped up in some backdoor.
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With Mercedes no longer shipping their previous system with L3 approved capabilities, I wonder what's happening with those expensive vehicles? Will the previous system continue to function? It requires mapped highways, so is anyone going to be keeping those maps and the software using them updated? Was it a subscription service, or just a hardware purchase (I suspect both), so will Mercedes simply terminate the subscription option? I don't see how the system can continue to function without updates for more than a year or two.
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I recently sold a 2016 Mercedes before getting my Gravity. When driving newer Mercedes, there is very little difference with regards to drivetrain hardware, interior features, etc. between new cars and my 10 year old one. The two biggest improvements have been with regards to infotainment (much larger screens that are touch controlled) and better ADAS. With the Gravity, I do not expect big improvements in drivetrain, suspension, luxury features, etc. over the next 6-8 years. What will most likely improve is ADAS and Infotainment capabilities. I understand that these will improve via software OTAs over time but eventually, they will be limited by processing power. Customer paid chip upgrade options would be nice but not expected.
With regard to the cell connectivity subscription charge, you have to realize that all of this car connected wizardry it dependent on connection to the internet. Relying on doing that via a Bluetooth connection to your phone is not going to work. The car needs it’s own designated connection.