Creep mode default setting?
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Just to give an alternative reality check... does it seem weird that having a car that drifts forward when you don't tell it to move seems "normal", compared to one that only moves when you press the accelerator? If ICE cars hadn't behaved this way for decades, I think we'd consider it a defect and safety hazard.
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Oh like, like, like. An ev is not an ice car. I mean why aren’t we comparing it to a non synchro manual transmission? With the throttle it can creep in inches if you hit the “gas” just a bit. I didn’t think I would like one pedal driving but it actually works well with toodling down the road. If I’m going to get sporty then I want regen off.
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I agree or maybe mostly agree...except when I "get sporty" I really want the hard regen. I didn't think I'd like OPD either (esp when I first experienced it) but now that I'm used to it (and it certainly didn't take long) it's actually a more precise way to control such a heavy vehicle - like hard-downshifting a stick shift. YMMV
It's great for getting in position to blast around that last slow-ass car to open highway ahead... then, g-bye now!
Why DO ppl drive slower than traffic in the #1 lane?...please explain it to me. Pass the dang truck already!..why would anyone want to be next to a big truck for more time anyway??
The way I was taught back when schools had "driver's ed" was that you're suppose to exit the #1 lane ASAP after passing to make way in case emergency vehicles need to pass.
I like the signs in Baja which translate to "Left lane is for passing ONLY"!!
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Roll is my preferred choice. Only need the brake to stop from 3-5 mph. Much smoother for small movement or allowing the car to glide into position. As long as they give choices. Not sure why a creep selection is not allowed to stay, roll does. Select it once and it stays selected.
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I think that if Lucid's vehicles were a little smoother at light throttle from a stop, fewer people would look for creep.
Our Volvo EV and prior Model 3 performance were notably smoother coming off "hold" in one-pedal driving.
Our Volvo EV and prior Model 3 performance were notably smoother coming off "hold" in one-pedal driving.
That's the beauty of choice. Some like 1PD, some like 2PD. There is no right or wrong. I prefer 2PD, but I won't try to claim 1PD is the wrong way or talk like it's not a valid a choice. They both have their pros and cons.
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You mean select it and it stays as that’s the default option setting.
I have to echo this sentiment. I absolutely abhor driving automatic transmissions ICEs and creep is one of the reasons why (along with bad gearing, poor gear control, no clutch, less fun, etc). Until I got a Model 3 in 2018 I only bought manual transmission cars and hated driving my wife's CVT automatic. The OP for this topic suggested creep be the default which I take as a good reason to make creep difficult to enable. We need to stop emulating bad designs that trace back to the limitations of past designs (basically, anacronisms). Calling out all the EV automakers with start/stop buttons, ACC mode, and on and on. Drove both a Bolt and Kona EVs recently and the experience is absolutely ruined by ICE-isms.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a bad design. I don't think you'd like it if we made your 1PD hard to enable.
How about we just let people choose the method THEY like, not try to force our own preferences on others?
If an automaker offers something, it shouldn't be "made difficult" to enable. No matter what it is.
Just saying, but without data because it is impossible to have it at this point, the preference is tied to what you are used to. It doesn't mean it is a good setting, just that it is emulating what a lot of people learned on and lived with for years.
I can see the argument against some 1-pedal driving features like always slowing down and requiring a foot on the pedal to basically keep going. I just had this discussion with someone recently. They did not actually care about creep (which is the "feature", or better "bug", I despise) but rather they wanted to let their speed vary up and down hills (I kind of understand this coming from an MT) without having to hold the pedal. To each their own. But, creep... UGH... So freaking horrible. Basically the slushbox pulling the car forward to avoid stalling. In an MT the driver pushes down the clutch to prevent a stall but that control does not exist on an automatic. Auto-hold became a thing in the early 2000s but by then the damage on expectations was done
.I should make it clear. I hate automatic transmissions of all kinds from what was available when I started driving in the 90s to today's automatics and CVTs.
We get it... you despise it. Fine, don't use it.Just saying, but without data because it is impossible to have it at this point, the preference is tied to what you are used to. It doesn't mean it is a good setting, just that it is emulating what a lot of people learned on and lived with for years.
I can see the argument against some 1-pedal driving features like always slowing down and requiring a foot on the pedal to basically keep going. I just had this discussion with someone recently. They did not actually care about creep (which is the "feature", or better "bug", I despise) but rather they wanted to let their speed vary up and down hills (I kind of understand this coming from an MT) without having to hold the pedal. To each their own. But, creep... UGH... So freaking horrible. Basically the slushbox pulling the car forward to avoid stalling. In an MT the driver pushes down the clutch to prevent a stall but that control does not exist on an automatic. Auto-hold became a thing in the early 2000s but by then the damage on expectations was done
I should make it clear. I hate automatic transmissions of all kinds from what was available when I started driving in the 90s to today's automatics and CVTs.
That's YOUR personal preference, just like other people have their personal preference. Let's not pretend yours is somehow more right or worthy than others. Neither choice should be made "difficult to enable".
Just saying, but without data because it is impossible to have it at this point, the preference is tied to what you are used to. It doesn't mean it is a good setting, just that it is emulating what a lot of people learned on and lived with for years.
I can see the argument against some 1-pedal driving features like always slowing down and requiring a foot on the pedal to basically keep going. I just had this discussion with someone recently. They did not actually care about creep (which is the "feature", or better "bug", I despise) but rather they wanted to let their speed vary up and down hills (I kind of understand this coming from an MT) without having to hold the pedal. To each their own. But, creep... UGH... So freaking horrible. Basically the slushbox pulling the car forward to avoid stalling. In an MT the driver pushes down the clutch to prevent a stall but that control does not exist on an automatic. Auto-hold became a thing in the early 2000s but by then the damage on expectations was done
I should make it clear. I hate automatic transmissions of all kinds from what was available when I started driving in the 90s to today's automatics and CVTs.