Car & Driver does Hagerty One Better at 140mph in a Gravity Dream Quarter Mile

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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65469482/lucid-gravity-dream-edition-quickest-suv-quarter-mile-test/

 

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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65469482/lucid-gravity-dream-edition-quickest-suv-quarter-mile-test/

1mph better, 1/10 slower.

Waiting for car and driver to post braking and skid pad data along with 75mph and charging data. They skipped a few steps.

 

[evfreedom]

I'll just skip right to the end of the article...emphasis mine!

A luxury SUV that will mostly be driven to the store and used to schlep kids to school definitely doesn't need to be this potent, but as the name suggests, the Lucid is about dreaming big, and the Gravity's face-melting quarter-mile run delivers on that dream.

 

[hmp10]

1mph better, 1/10 slower.

Waiting for car and driver to post braking and skid pad data along with 75mph and charging data. They skipped a few steps.

What's interesting is that it took putting four motors into an R1S to get it into the same game as the dual-motor Gravity. The tri-motor Rivian didn't even make for a contest.

I can see Rivian's point in using more but less-powerful motors for more precise torque vectoring in off-roading use, but it still really highlights the incredible power density of Lucid motors.

 

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What's interesting is that it took putting four motors into an R1S to get it into the same game as the dual-motor Gravity. The tri-motor Rivian didn't even make for a contest.

I can see Rivian's point in using more but less-powerful motors for more precise torque vectoring in off-roading use, but it still really highlights the incredible power density of Lucid motors.

They have to be efficient too, so Lucid is holding back the crazy launch power in a seemingly pedestrian 3.1 to 60mph

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Please don’t flame me. This is a serious question. What’s the fixation on 0-60 or 1/4 mile times about? Does it really matter if it’s 0-60 in 3.0s versus 3.5s? I mean, both are unreasonably fast and would have been considered absurd 5+ years ago or more.

I need that acceleration in the higher speed range on highways, at times. But I don’t understand why it is folks focus so much on that, and the one foot rollout, etc. Genuine question.

 

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Please don’t flame me. This is a serious question. What’s the fixation on 0-60 or 1/4 mile times about? Does it really matter if it’s 0-60 in 3.0s versus 3.5s? I mean, both are unreasonably fast and would have been considered absurd 5+ years ago or more.

I need that acceleration in the higher speed range on highways, at times. But I don’t understand why it is folks focus so much on that, and the one foot rollout, etc. Genuine question.

Acceleration is essentially a status, the difference between an A to B car and a Sports car.

It’s for bragging rights for most people, no one needs 1,000hp

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Acceleration is essentially a status, the difference between an A to B car and a Sports car.

It’s for bragging rights for most people, no one needs 1,000hp

Got it. Appreciate the response. It’s interesting because like voltage, it feels like whatever the next car is will beat the current acceleration champion…but I do get it now.

 

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Got it. Appreciate the response. It’s interesting because like voltage, it feels like whatever the next car is will beat the current acceleration champion…but I do get it now.

Tesla sold everyone in Ludicrous and Plaid modes while offering a sub par Luxury vehicle (in traditional sense) and it worked as long as no competition was available, now people are choosing slower vehicles (read slower than 9 second 1/4 mile which Model S and X can do in plaid flavor) which offer better build, fit and finish.

In the end…whatever sells cars.

 

[chrisppanda]

Please don’t flame me. This is a serious question. What’s the fixation on 0-60 or 1/4 mile times about? Does it really matter if it’s 0-60 in 3.0s versus 3.5s? I mean, both are unreasonably fast and would have been considered absurd 5+ years ago or more.

I need that acceleration in the higher speed range on highways, at times. But I don’t understand why it is folks focus so much on that, and the one foot rollout, etc. Genuine question.

I take advantage of it all the time. When I get to a red light, of there is that open turn lane on the right side AND a no turn on red sign (many intersections in Chicago), I pop into that lane and gun it on the green light. It works as long as my car is the fastest, and saved me so much time is I need to commute in rush hour traffic

 

[WeighingGravity]

People seem to have lost sight of the fact that the Rivian probably still would have won had it not cut the power on account of its speed limiter.

As for accelerating out of stop lights: I do this too, from time to time, and it’s fun, but I’m doing it in an older Model S 75D with a 0-60 in the 4s, and even then I’m not flooring it most of the time. In most cases any of these vehicles are capable of the same or more. If two of these >6000lbs vehicles are launching at a stop light to beat the other to a single lane merge across the intersection in a city environment, their drivers are menaces and should probably have their keys taken away IMO.

 

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Please don’t flame me. This is a serious question. What’s the fixation on 0-60 or 1/4 mile times about? Does it really matter if it’s 0-60 in 3.0s versus 3.5s? I mean, both are unreasonably fast and would have been considered absurd 5+ years ago or more.

I need that acceleration in the higher speed range on highways, at times. But I don’t understand why it is folks focus so much on that, and the one foot rollout, etc. Genuine question.

For me, it's a proxy for a characteristic that is more important to me but that is less seldom measured and reported in reviews: the car's responsiveness to the throttle at all speeds. 6-digit speeds have no appeal for me. I do like jack-rabitting from stop lights for a few moments with clear roads ahead, but in traffic I assiduously maintain safe distances from all surrounding vehicles. In particular, I find tailgating and lane weaving the most obnoxious of all driving behaviors.

But when traffic and road conditions allow, I do love the feel of a well-controlled car surging ahead instantly and seamlessly under application of throttle. It's the main reason I instantly took to EVs from the moment I got that first Model S P90D and set aside my long history of buying the most powerful ICE cars I could get my hands on.

 

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People seem to have lost sight of the fact that the Rivian probably still would have won had it not cut the power on account of its speed limiter.

I think you're probably right. However, it begs the question of why the Rivian limiter is programmed to 130mph for a vehicle that touts quad motors and over 1,000hp. I suspect it's because Rivian knows the chassis can't safely handle higher speeds.

To me, the fact that the Gravity can is really the bigger story. It has no relevance to me at the speeds of either car's limiter. But it says a lot about the likely differences in safety margins at much saner speeds.

 

[Rogue]

Please don’t flame me. This is a serious question. What’s the fixation on 0-60 or 1/4 mile times about? Does it really matter if it’s 0-60 in 3.0s versus 3.5s? I mean, both are unreasonably fast and would have been considered absurd 5+ years ago or more.

I need that acceleration in the higher speed range on highways, at times. But I don’t understand why it is folks focus so much on that, and the one foot rollout, etc. Genuine question.

I was in this boat when we had the GT. What difference does 3 seconds vs. 2.6 in a GT-P make?

Then they gave me a loaner for two months. The experience fully ruined the feel of the GT when we got it back for several weeks, and left a nagging sense of loss from then on.

You can feel the difference of that .4 seconds acutely in the car's responsiveness. In the case of the GT-P, the superb handling and tuning were unmistakeable when pushed even mildly.

This is why I am now eyeing the Sapphire. Handling, acceleration, and looks being the primary draws. Have not been in one on a ride along or test driven one. Prefer to continue enjoying my GT-P until we can comfortably pull the trigger on the Sapphire.

These cars are a status symbol for some certainly. However, family has given considerable and continued grief over our purchase of the GT followed by the GT-P. The Sapphire will be even more so a point of contention. In our case, we are moving forward despite social pressure to do otherwise (net negative social cred if you will) because I simply enjoy these cars.

 

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I was in this boat when we had the GT. What difference does 3 seconds vs. 2.6 in a GT-P make?

Then they gave me a loaner for two months. The experience fully ruined the feel of the GT when we got it back for several weeks, and left a nagging sense of loss from then on.

You can feel the difference of that .4 seconds acutely in the car's responsiveness. In the case of the GT-P, the superb handling and tuning were unmistakeable when pushed even mildly.

This is why I am now eyeing the Sapphire. Handling, acceleration, and looks being the primary draws. Have not been in one on a ride along or test driven one. Prefer to continue enjoying my GT-P until we can comfortably pull the trigger on the Sapphire.

These cars are a status symbol for some certainly. However, family has given considerable and continued grief over our purchase of the GT followed by the GT-P. The Sapphire will be even more so a point of contention. In our case, we are moving forward despite social pressure to do otherwise (net negative social cred if you will) because I simply enjoy these cars.

Yep. This is why we're still keeping our Air Dream Performance even with Gravity Dreams in the garage.

I have also been through the same head-scratching over a Sapphire. Several things finally stayed my hand:

(1) The cabin feels too dark and claustrophobic. I really love the glass canopy and really don't like near-black interiors. (I even called Zak Edson, Lucid VP of Customer Experience, to inquire whether they would install the Dream interior in a Sapphire.)

(2) While I suspect I would love the Sapphire's dynamics, I actually don't like over-cooked boy racer looks in a car.

(3) I've seen a lot of conflicting reports on how much ride comfort you give up with a Sapphire. Some say little to none, others say it's significant. With my age and arthritis knowing the answer for certain becomes relevant.

(4) The Air Dream P might finally be the car beyond whose performance limits I can find no use. (I'm not a track or professional driver and don't have the skills to exploit a Sapphire's capabilities fully.)

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

I was in this boat when we had the GT. What difference does 3 seconds vs. 2.6 in a GT-P make?

Then they gave me a loaner for two months. The experience fully ruined the feel of the GT when we got it back for several weeks, and left a nagging sense of loss from then on.

You can feel the difference of that .4 seconds acutely in the car's responsiveness. In the case of the GT-P, the superb handling and tuning were unmistakeable when pushed even mildly.

This is why I am now eyeing the Sapphire. Handling, acceleration, and looks being the primary draws. Have not been in one on a ride along or test driven one. Prefer to continue enjoying my GT-P until we can comfortably pull the trigger on the Sapphire.

These cars are a status symbol for some certainly. However, family has given considerable and continued grief over our purchase of the GT followed by the GT-P. The Sapphire will be even more so a point of contention. In our case, we are moving forward despite social pressure to do otherwise (net negative social cred if you will) because I simply enjoy these cars.

Helpful answer. Thank you. I do understand that difference in acceleration as I’ve had performance teslas and their “regular” counterparts.

That said, on the Sapphire, just don’t think I could bring myself to pay $250k for it. I don’t see how it’s worth the 2x the AGT with options. But I do understand and respect how it can be meaningful in various ways to folks.

 

[coma24]

I take advantage of it all the time. When I get to a red light, of there is that open turn lane on the right side AND a no turn on red sign (many intersections in Chicago), I pop into that lane and gun it on the green light. It works as long as my car is the fastest, and saved me so much time is I need to commute in rush hour traffic

I completely understand, however, it rarely involves using all the power of the car. Your 0-60 sec time could be 0.5 to 1.0 slower and you'd very likely still smoke everyone off the line. Most of the time, a reasonable amount of acceleration and quick reaction time will leave everyone in the dust. I generally like to be first off the line as I don't like riding side by side if I don't have to (just for safety and comfort, pure and simple). I also like getting to my cruise speed relatively quickly, without using absurd acceleration. As such, I am almost always first off the line, and a few cars lengths in front of everyone else....all in Smooth mode, and all without trying particularly hard...and certainly not flooring it.

My ride from a few years back was a Honda S2k and the above was generally true, too...all with a 0-60 time of 5+ secs. So, I'd argue that you really don't _need_ a 3.0 0-60 to achieve what you're setting out to do. Fun to have, though, certainly.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Also, remember, most folks aren’t trying to be first off the line, so it doesn’t take much to beat them. Even if you’re sitting next to a Porsche. Everyone always seems to be in less of a rush than I am!

Admittedly, I do push harder off a red light if I am next to some crazy sports car. We have a ton of Ferraris and Lambos here and, I admit, it gives me great pleasure to see them in my rear view mirror/camera!