An Absolute Joy to Drive!!!

[msaunders9430]

The battery and motors (powertrain)have an 8 yr or 100,000 mile warranty

Yep.
And while they are the mostly costly parts to replace, they aren't the only ones that might need replacing.

While the parts and labor for the work (frunk struts and latches replaced, a turn signal module replaced, and failure of DreamDrive to engage diagnosed) done on the Air owned by @hmp10 were covered by the Basic Warranty (expiring by year-end), it would be nice to have some type of coverage for the years to come.

Do you pay more in year-to-year coverage than if you just put those funds in an account? Possibly.

 

[californiaboy935]

I, too, paused when I saw this. I am a huge fan of the Lucid driving experience, but after almost four years with one in the garage, now two, and a third on the way, I can honestly say I would not have a Lucid if it were my only car. I'm even becoming worried about having Lucids as our only three cars and am considering holding on to our Honda Odyssey a while longer. (The last two times we drove to the Miami Service Center, first to take delivery of our Gravity and then to pick it up from service for a looming road trip, we had to leave our Air behind -- the first time to have frunk struts and latches replaced and the second to have a turn signal module replaced and failure of DreamDrive to engage diagnosed.)

My brother, who has been mightily impressed with our Air and was even more so with the Gravity he drove on our visit to him this week, has been chomping at the bit to replace his 2018 Model 3 with the Gravity Earth. But he is now a one-car household and, in light of my current travails with the Gravity, I am advising him to reconsider getting a Lucid -- at least during the first couple of years of a model introduction. Yes, there is a service center about 20 miles from him in Roswell, and yes, Lucid will supply a loaner or put him in a rental car. But that does not always happen as quickly as you might like or need with that being your only car.

The difference in our experience is so stark… I would buy more Lucid’s for the garage if good sense allowed it.

 

[Delbert]

I've been lurking for a few months and finally joined.

I have a Gravity on order (Supernova Bronze + Tech Package, so won't have it until early December), but I finally got to take a test drive Wednesday (actually two).

I am now sure that I want to carry through with my order. The car is just a delight to drive. When the SA with me put the car into Sprint just before the freeway onramp, I was pinned to my seat in the most sedate way I have ever been. The squircle never bothered me, the instrument cluster being entirely above it was amazing, and I was getting acceptably used to the heavy regen setting by the end of my second drive. While objectively, I might say that the left A-pillar blocks a tiny bit more vision than that of my Odyssey, it wasn't noticeable while I was driving. The ride felt comfortable, effortless, willing, and able. I realize that I will definitely need to watch my speed with how understatedly the car just handles whatever is thrown at it.

I very much appreciate all of the discussions about issues to watch out for (early adopter woes). I'll stay out of those until at least I have a VIN and thus can be verified.

Thanks!

 

[borski]

The difference in our experience is so stark… I would buy more Lucid’s for the garage if good sense allowed it.

We have an Air and a Gravity as our only vehicles and also have no regrets. My Air was in service for about a week to fix a bunch of little items (all warranty work, but all cheap anyway; new seals, etc, and the annual service). Got a loaner because we planned it and weren’t in a rush.

Otherwise, my Air hadn’t seen service for many many months. 18, maybe? I think I’m lying if you count seat homing, but I really don’t remember.

I had issues in the first year. After that it’s been pretty smooth sailing.

Our Graviry has had three issues:
1) second row squeak
2) sanctuary mode wouldn’t play video
3) homelink wasn’t active

2 and 3 are fixed, post-service, and #1 is a future fix. Everything else was minor trim things, most of which got fixed, and a few of which are “future fixes” as they don’t have SOP yet. Oh and we got a second fob, the bears, and a new DE badge (post-PPF). I guess that technically counts as service.

My point isn’t to suggest that @hmp10’s issues aren’t real; but if you had my Air and Gravity I doubt you’d think twice about being a Lucid-only garage.

I wish I knew the stats for how many were like mine and how many were like yours.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

I’d also like to say that not only would I have no problem being an all Lucid household, my wife and I are actively moving in that direction with a Gravity on order to replace our Ioniq 5 that has been back to the dealer for service six times in two years.

I have a 2025 AGT that that replaced a 2018 Tesla M3P in December last year and has been essentially flawless operationally ever since (my steering wheel developed an annoying “clicking” when turning and was promptly replaced via mobile service). It’s far and away the best car I’ve ever owned and we’ve taken it on numerous 200+ mile road trips (one was over 500 miles) without a hitch.

Do the doors sometimes hesitate to open if my iPhone is in my pocket and asleep? Yes. And do I need to reboot the software once every other month or so to correct some strange infotainment system behavior? Yes. But the day that having to take my phone out of my pocket and wake it up or spend 2 minutes while the software reboots becomes such an anxiety producing tragedy that I’d choose to drive a significantly inferior car is the day I stop driving altogether.

I’ve never understood why Lucid routinely catches a disproportionate amount of flak for issues with new models that plagues every car manufacturer these days. The two worst new cars I’ve owned from an initial fit and finish and reliability standpoint have been our current Ioniq 5 and an early model Audi A4. They both needed to go back to the dealership multiple times within our first year of ownership for things that in theory should never have been issues with vehicles manufactured by “established” car makers. Contrast that with our Lucid which as I mentioned above, has been fabulous.

All of this said, there ARE some real quality horror stories on this forum and those things do happen and it’s painful for their owners when they do. But those are issues with specific cars, not Lucid as a company. I would not personally tell others to avoid having an Audi or a Hyundai as their only car despite the fact that my personal experience has been awful with those two brands.

And one final point…once the Audi and Hyundai got sorted? They were both good cars, but entirely unremarkable in the grand scheme of automotive greatness or providing a joyful driving experience. The Lucid Air? An absolutely groundbreaking, phenomenal driving car and even if I had to go through some issues with it (which fortunately I have not), I would end up with something more than worth the trouble.

 

[hmp10]

I’d also like to say that not only would I have no problem being an all Lucid household, my wife and I are actively moving in that direction with a Gravity on order to replace our Ioniq 5 that has been back to the dealer for service six times in two years.

I have a 2025 AGT that that replaced a 2018 Tesla M3P in December last year and has been essentially flawless operationally ever since (my steering wheel developed an annoying “clicking” when turning and was promptly replaced via mobile service). It’s far and away the best car I’ve ever owned and we’ve taken it on numerous 200+ mile road trips (one was over 500 miles) without a hitch.

Do the doors sometimes hesitate to open if my iPhone is in my pocket and asleep? Yes. And do I need to reboot the software once every other month or so to correct some strange infotainment system behavior? Yes. But the day that having to take my phone out of my pocket and wake it up or spend 2 minutes while the software reboots becomes such an anxiety producing tragedy that I’d choose to drive a significantly inferior car is the day I stop driving altogether.

I’ve never understood why Lucid routinely catches a disproportionate amount of flak for issues with new models that plagues every car manufacturer these days. The two worst new cars I’ve owned from an initial fit and finish and reliability standpoint have been our current Ioniq 5 and an early model Audi A4. They both needed to go back to the dealership multiple times within our first year of ownership for things that in theory should never have been issues with vehicles manufactured by “established” car makers. Contrast that with our Lucid which as I mentioned above, has been fabulous.

All of this said, there ARE some real quality horror stories on this forum and those things do happen and it’s painful for their owners when they do. But those are issues with specific cars, not Lucid as a company. I would not personally tell others to avoid having an Audi or a Hyundai as their only car despite the fact that my personal experience has been awful with those two brands.

And one final point…once the Audi and Hyundai got sorted? They were both good cars, but entirely unremarkable in the grand scheme of automotive greatness or providing a joyful driving experience. The Lucid Air? An absolutely groundbreaking, phenomenal driving car and even if I had to go through some issues with it (which fortunately I have not), I would end up with something more than worth the trouble.

I have no desire to push back on any of these arguments for going all-Lucid because we're probably going to end up there ourselves before long -- at least after we let go of the Odyssey, which is not something we're going to do until we get a read on whether the second Gravity arrives with anything like the problems of the first.

But I have to confront the reality for us right now, which is that we're spending way too much time dealing with service issues and getting cars to and from Service Centers. I admit that I drive cars fairly hard, but I also take good care of them. And most of the problems we are having are not ones that would arise from demanding too much mechanically or dynamically of a car. Our Lucids actually perform like a champ in that regard. It's software malfunctions (legions of them), faulty cabin hardware, lights burning out, frunk lids malfunctioning, seats rattling . . . and now, for the second time, drive unit failures which other owners of both Airs and Gravities have seen.

We'll get through a couple of months of this, but patience will wear too thin if things don't get sorted soon. If I can't have confidence in putting our Gravity on the road for a trip -- something I don't have right now -- then the Gravity is not the car for us.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

I have no desire to push back on any of these arguments for going all-Lucid because we're probably going to end up there ourselves before long -- at least after we let go of the Odyssey, which is not something we're going to do until we get a read on whether the second Gravity arrives with anything like the problems of the first.

But I have to confront the reality for us right now, which is that we're spending way too much time dealing with service issues and getting cars to and from Service Centers. I admit that I drive cars fairly hard, but I also take good care of them. And most of the problems we are having are not ones that would arise from demanding too much mechanically or dynamically of a car. Our Lucids actually perform like a champ in that regard. It's software malfunctions (legions of them), faulty cabin hardware, lights burning out, frunk lids malfunctioning, seats rattling . . . and now, for the second time, drive unit failures which other owners of both Airs and Gravities have seen.

We'll get through a couple of months of this, but patience will wear too thin if things don't get sorted soon. If I can't have confidence in putting our Gravity on the road for a trip -- something I don't have right now -- then the Gravity is not the car for us.

I totally get it and in no way do I want to discount what you are going through. It sucks and should not happen. I hope that these things all get sorted and that you have easier times ahead!

 

[L-Dude]

I’ve never understood why Lucid routinely catches a disproportionate amount of flak for issues with new models that plagues every car manufacturer these days. The two worst new cars I’ve owned from an initial fit and finish and reliability standpoint have been our current Ioniq 5 and an early model Audi A4. They both needed to go back to the dealership multiple times within our first year of ownership for things that in theory should never have been issues with vehicles manufactured by “established” car makers

My "first production year" Audi e-tron GT was a mess. When it worked it was awesome, but it was recalled at least five times, and neither of my two Audi dealers could fix it properly the first time. Even routine problems were a major headache. And, much to my surprise after reading these forums, my Air has far fewer bugs than my Audi did.

Oh, and the Air is an absolute joy to drive!

 

[hmp10]

I’ve never understood why Lucid routinely catches a disproportionate amount of flak for issues with new models that plagues every car manufacturer these days.

Three observations:

(1) A lot of this flak started with a steady stream of major reviewers having difficulty opening and/or starting the Airs they were testing. It was a threshold condition somewhat different from issues that might manifest over the first weeks or months of driving a car at points long after a reviewer would have turned the car back in. And it went on for at least a year, when Consumer Reports and Edmunds again test drove Airs that still had the problem.

(2) I've been on forums for other cars I've owned and found they are not cut any more slack about their issues than Lucid is cut.

(3) The flak we're seeing on this forum is from owners actually driving (or trying to drive) their Gravities and posting mainly on a thread specifically designated for discussing bugs and issues with the Gravity. So you can expect some concentration of complaints here that don't necessarily telegraph to a broader readership . . . at least as long as Lucid can keep major reviewers mostly away from the Gravity until more issues are resolved.

 

[GoDestruction]

Three observations:

(1) A lot of this flak started with a steady stream of major reviewers having difficulty opening and/or starting the Airs they were testing. It was a threshold condition somewhat different from issues that might manifest over the first weeks or months of driving a car at points long after a reviewer would have turned the car back in. And it went on for at least a year, when Consumer Reports and Edmunds again test drove Airs that still had the problem.

(2) I've been on forums for other cars I've owned and found they are not cut any more slack about their issues than Lucid is cut.

(3) The flak we're seeing on this forum is from owners actually driving (or trying to drive) their Gravities and posting mainly on a thread specifically designated for discussing bugs and issues with the Gravity. So you can expect some concentration of complaints here that don't necessarily telegraph to a broader readership . . . at least as long as Lucid can keep major reviewers mostly away from the Gravity until more issues are resolved.

I am wondering if we should fork off a new thread for
“Bugs and Issues - Post 3.3.1”
Given how long that original thread is and the fact (hope) is that 3.3.1 will fix many issues including the much awaited keyfob issue??

 

[The_Don]

Today I test drove the GGT with dynamic handling. I've always had a preference for sports cars, but the last SUV I had (none currently) was an X5M. I have to say, even after reading all the reviews, I was pleasantly surprised with how well the GGT handled the curves. It's actually shocking how flat it is in the corners; there is virtually no body roll. This is all while being very comfortable and luxurious in smooth mode. Not to mention the cargo space! A true feat of engineering.

 

[The_Don]

Will add that this has made me reconsider my needs. This car isn't big (about the size of my prior X5M), but it's so cavernous on the inside that I've realized I don't really need something this size. I can only assume their upcoming midsize SUV will handle even better, which is truly exciting.

 

[hmp10]

I can only assume their upcoming midsize SUV will handle even better, which is truly exciting.

The Earth will have certain inherent handling advantages over the Gravity, such as reduced mass. But the Gravity is available with advanced chassis features such as rear-wheel steering and 3-chamber air suspension that contribute significantly to its handling finesse. It's not clear that the Earth will have such options available, given its target price bracket. And I suspect it will be one or two years before we know.

 

[TahoeMichael]

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If I can't have confidence in putting our Gravity on the road for a trip -- something I don't have right now -- then the Gravity is not the car for us.

I'm with you on that. I can tolerate plenty of quirks and annoyances. But I decided 15 years ago that I was too old to be cooling my heels at the side of the road, waiting for a tow truck late at night. In the winter. In a snow storm. So now I get rid of a car the moment I find myself worrying about that scenario.

Partly because of that, I'm not minding that my GGT isn't likely to be delivered before November.