Am I Overreacting? Lucid Edition

geosynch

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Hello. This has potential of being long, and I apologize for that.

The Executive Summary is I have owned an Air for 37 months. Best car I’ve ever owned. Not too long ago my wife asked me when I was going to get another car because for about the last 15 years I’ve gotten a new car about every two years. Sometimes even less…. And it’s been over three years with the Lucid.

I told her I couldn’t think of anything else I would want to drive, and if I happened to total the car, I’d just get another one.

Peeling back another layer of the onion, however, and the car has left me stranded hundreds of miles away from home twice in the last 90 days. In both cases it has been harness related (and I’ll get more into that) and Lucid really stepped up and took care of me and my needs in a way that is fitting for a premium brand. No complaints there.

But there have now been three harness related problems, two of which left me stranded far from home. The 3rd was early in ownership and frankly trivial, but now in retrospect…. It has my Spideysense tingling.

I’m not sure what I am asking from the community in writing this, but pounding it out on the keyboard is a bit cathartic. And getting some responses might help more. I do have another long distance event I plan on driving to in about 60 days. Do I take the Lucid?

Anyhow, harness event number 1 started shortly after delivery. I’d get a warning about the left blinker and daytime running lights every so often. Then it was every week, then every day, and then it was constant. It was fixed under warranty and that harness was replaced.

Harness event number 2 came as I was driving from the SF Bay Area to Moab UT for a weekend with my brothers. This was in October of 2025 with about 25k miles on the clock. I was on I15, north of Las Vegas, and got a warning to pull over and contact customer care. This was outside of business hours and customer care was really nothing more than an answering service. To make a long story short, they advised me to not drive the car, but it was still driving just fine. I continued on to St. George Utah where Lucid got me into a rental. I left my car in St. George and continued on my trip. Lucid had the car towed back to San Jose where they determined the problem was a “soft set” in the harness. Meaning that a connector was loose. It was quickly repaired and the car was ready for me by the time I got back to the SF Bay Area. I recall posting on Reddit and the Lucid group on Discord about how the Lucid staff in San Jose really did a great job in helping me out in a pinch.

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. I was at my daughter’s house in the LA area for Christmas when harness event number 3 struck. It was late in the evening on Christmas Day and my car had been sitting in her driveway since the day prior. My wife and I were actually staying in a hotel (small house, lots of guests) and my car had been blocked in her driveway. But, we were driving back home the following morning so I needed to move cars to get my car out, and that's when I saw this nasty message about unable to DCFC. Since I needed to drive home ~320 miles the next day, no DCFC was a bit of an issue.

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Luckily (haha, so I thought at the time) the hotel we were staying at had L2, so, I drove my car to the hotel, set the limit to 100% and plugged in. On a full charge, I can get all the way home if I drive like a responsible citizen….

But much to my surprise the next morning, Dec 26, I had a new error message and the car wouldn’t even go into gear.

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Lucid arranged a rental car for me and had my car towed to San Jose. They really took care of me -- I want to be clear on that.

Due to the holidays it took a bit longer to determine the root cause and get the car repaired. The main harness from the Wonderbox back to the battery had “signs of chafing” and something either shorted or was open. That harness needed to be replaced.

The car is now in my garage. Unfortunately for me, I was also scheduled for a knee replacement and now I can’t even drive for about another two weeks…. That is irrelevant to this story, but I am going for sympathy.

I still love my car, but I am a bit hesitant to just take out on another 900 mile drive (this time to Las Vegas) in mid March.

Am I over reacting? What would you do? etc…..
 
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I can certainly understand you being gun shy. I've just turned 20k and 24 months on my '23 Pure AWD, and have taken it on six approximately 1,500 mile trips without incident. Mostly back and forth between AZ and WA. I have never been stranded at home or on the road, but we often take very lightly traveled routes for an EV, and I must admit that my butt cheeks tighten up a bit when I hit one particularly remote 2-3 hundred mile stretch. If I had your experience, as the saying goes, those cheeks would be so tight that I would be able to stick a piece of coal up there and get a diamond.

Given that a good deal of the SF - LV route is fairly remote, I would probably grouse as I walked by the Lucid and got in the Ionic.

As an alternative, I suggest that you call your Lucid service department, tell them about the three different harness issues you've had, and ask them to take a close look at all of the harnesses in the car... looking not only for cracks and frays, but also for exposed wires, loose connections, signs of heat exposure, etc.. I'm guessing that your car is a '22 model, so it may very well have sat in the AZ heat for a long time, and it may very well have had harnesses built by a vendor (or vendors) that have since been replaced. Given your history, I would expect Lucid service to view this as a reasonable request.

If they do it, and especially if it leads to some harness replacements, I would for sure go with the Lucid... But bring a gallon of water with you just in case.

Safe Travels!
 
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Hello. This has potential of being long, and I apologize for that.

The Executive Summary is I have owned an Air for 37 months. Best car I’ve ever owned. Not too long ago my wife asked me when I was going to get another car because for about the last 15 years I’ve gotten a new car about every two years. Sometimes even less…. And it’s been over three years with the Lucid.

I told her I couldn’t think of anything else I would want to drive, and if I happened to total the car, I’d just get another one.

Peeling back another layer of the onion, however, and the car has left me stranded hundreds of miles away from home twice in the last 90 days. In both cases it has been harness related (and I’ll get more into that) and Lucid really stepped up and took care of me and my needs in a way that is fitting for a premium brand. No complaints there.

But there have now been three harness related problems, two of which left me stranded far from home. The 3rd was early in ownership and frankly trivial, but now in retrospect…. It has my Spideysense tingling.

I’m not sure what I am asking from the community in writing this, but pounding it out on the keyboard is a bit cathartic. And getting some responses might help more. I do have another long distance event I plan on driving to in about 60 days. Do I take the Lucid?

Anyhow, harness event number 1 started shortly after delivery. I’d get a warning about the left blinker and daytime running lights every so often. Then it was every week, then every day, and then it was constant. It was fixed under warranty and that harness was replaced.

Harness event number 2 came as I was driving from the SF Bay Area to Moab UT for a weekend with my brothers. This was in October of 2025 with about 25k miles on the clock. I was on I15, north of Las Vegas, and got a warning to pull over and contact customer care. This was outside of business hours and customer care was really nothing more than an answering service. To make a long story short, they advised me to not drive the car, but it was still driving just fine. I continued on to St. George Utah where Lucid got me into a rental. I left my car in St. George and continued on my trip. Lucid had the car towed back to San Jose where they determined the problem was a “soft set” in the harness. Meaning that a connector was loose. It was quickly repaired and the car was ready for me by the time I got back to the SF Bay Area. I recall posting on Reddit and the Lucid group on Discord about how the Lucid staff in San Jose really did a great job in helping me out in a pinch.

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. I was at my daughter’s house in the LA area for Christmas when harness event number 3 struck. It was late in the evening on Christmas Day and my car had been sitting in her driveway since the day prior. My wife and I were actually staying in a hotel (small house, lots of guests) and my car had been blocked in her driveway. But, we were driving back home the following morning so I needed to move cars to get my car out, and that's when I saw this nasty message about unable to DCFC. Since I needed to drive home ~320 miles the next day, no DCFC was a bit of an issue.

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Luckily (haha, so I thought at the time) the hotel we were staying at had L2, so, I drove my car to the hotel, set the limit to 100% and plugged in. On a full charge, I can get all the way home if I drive like a responsible citizen….

But much to my surprise the next morning, Dec 26, I had a new error message and the car wouldn’t even go into gear.

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Lucid arranged a rental car for me and had my car towed to San Jose. They really took care of me -- I want to be clear on that.

Due to the holidays it took a bit longer to determine the root cause and get the car repaired. The main harness from the Wonderbox back to the battery had “signs of chafing” and something either shorted or was open. That harness needed to be replaced.

The car is now in my garage. Unfortunately for me, I was also scheduled for a knee replacement and now I can’t even drive for about another two weeks…. That is irrelevant to this story, but I am going for sympathy.

I still love my car, but I am a bit hesitant to just take out on another 900 mile drive (this time to Las Vegas) in mid March.

Am I over reacting? What would you do? etc…..
I would dump the car. IMO, reliability is binary: a car is either reliable or not. Yours is not.
 
I have a couple of "out of the box" thoughts on this.

Seeing as how they've replaced the harness a couple times I doubt the harness is the actual root cause. The probability that at initial build, and multiple replacement processes you had the poor luck of pulling bad harnesses each time. The lack of other reporting of similar harness based standings underlines that thinking.

The root cause is likely that something is doing something to the harness and causing it to go bad. Candidates?
  • Rodent activity
  • Whatever is connected on the damaged end of the harness
Run those thoughts past Lucid Customer Care and see what they think.
 
I would dump the car. IMO, reliability is binary: a car is either reliable or not. Yours is not.
I want to react to your message with "side eye" but there's none 😏(😂😂🤣).
I will second @Buffalo Bob and @martinjlm posts. I think you need to have service do thorough inspection of your car.
 
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The car is now in my garage. Unfortunately for me, I was also scheduled for a knee replacement and now I can’t even drive for about another two weeks…. That is irrelevant to this story, but I am going for sympathy.

We had our Gravity on order since the end of September. We scheduled my wife's knee replacement surgery for December 30th. They delivered "her" new Gravity on December 23rd. On the plus side, I get to drive it to all her doctor appointments!
 
I have a couple of "out of the box" thoughts on this.

Seeing as how they've replaced the harness a couple times I doubt the harness is the actual root cause. The probability that at initial build, and multiple replacement processes you had the poor luck of pulling bad harnesses each time. The lack of other reporting of similar harness based standings underlines that thinking.

The root cause is likely that something is doing something to the harness and causing it to go bad. Candidates?
  • Rodent activity
  • Whatever is connected on the damaged end of the harness
Run those thoughts past Lucid Customer Care and see what they think.
I would also consider rodent damage especially with the recent ‘chafing’ observation. I had a similar stranding issue with two other cars and it was rodent related. Had to completely rodent proof our property which is hard given where we live. Hoping that keeps them out.
 
Reliability is one issue. The other is repair costs. I think you and I are several of a few dozen here who are out of warranty. Seems like you are still getting warranty-level service if they are getting you rentals and towing your car for you. I haven't been that fortunate. No rentals here, no tow service and the mobile service tech is currently fixing another problem that I am paying for out of pocket. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
Reliability is one issue. The other is repair costs. I think you and I are several of a few dozen here who are out of warranty. Seems like you are still getting warranty-level service if they are getting you rentals and towing your car for you. I haven't been that fortunate. No rentals here, no tow service and the mobile service tech is currently fixing another problem that I am paying for out of pocket. Good luck and keep us posted.

Unless the OP bought it used, I don't think the car is out of warranty, given around 37 months since purchase and 30k miles showing on the last dash photo.

The rodent thing never dawned on me. isn't it odd that wiring would be wrapped in something that vermin find so irrestible?
 
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My brain went to friction over time, like the chaffed wire was rubbing up against a metal hole because the rubber grommet that was supposed to protect it fell out.
 
Unless the OP bought it used, I don't think the car is out of warranty, given around 37 months since purchase and 30k miles showing on the last dash photo.

The rodent thing never dawned on me. isn't it odd that wiring would be wrapped in something that vermin find so irrestible?
Isn't the original warranty 50k miles or 36 months whichever comes first?
 
@geosynch
I know you are a long time member so you know your issue is something that is exceedingly rare. I agree with the others that with the harness failing three times, they haven't found the root of the problem. It seems that you no longer trust your car, (with good reason) and you fear driving it for longer distances. I would express that to the service team that something is causing the harness to go bad, given the history, and would they please look carefully for a cause? If they don't find it but replace the harness to get your car in working condition, I would sell it at that point. Is there another car you would like to try? If not, I would consider trading it in for another CPO Air through Lucid. You'll take less of a hit for a CPO Air and you should get peace of mind.
 
As I read the report I did not get the sense that this is one harness(and its replacements) that failed, but rather that this was 3 independant harnesses that had failed. Which failure case are you reporting? Certainly, in either case, checking for the potential of rodents as the source of the damage is reasonable. In the case of 3 different harnesses having failed, the appropriate next step might differ from the case of a single harness (and its replacements) having failed.
 
As I read the report I did not get the sense that this is one harness(and its replacements) that failed, but rather that this was 3 independant harnesses that had failed. Which failure case are you reporting? Certainly, in either case, checking for the potential of rodents as the source of the damage is reasonable. In the case of 3 different harnesses having failed, the appropriate next step might differ from the case of a single harness (and its replacements) having failed.
Could be one harness...could be multiple harnesses. The point of a wiring harness as opposed to direct wiring is to bundle the connectors for multiple functions along a single or at least reduced path. Multiple different failure modes can be attributed to a single harness based on which functions are bundled into that harness.
 
Reliability is one issue. The other is repair costs. I think you and I are several of a few dozen here who are out of warranty. Seems like you are still getting warranty-level service if they are getting you rentals and towing your car for you. I haven't been that fortunate. No rentals here, no tow service and the mobile service tech is currently fixing another problem that I am paying for out of pocket. Good luck and keep us posted.
Do they charge more for mobile tech? The mobile tech has to drive five hours to get to my house.

Honestly I can’t imagine owning this car outside of warranty. Which is a real bummer.
 
Do they charge more for mobile tech? The mobile tech has to drive five hours to get to my house.

Honestly I can’t imagine owning this car outside of warranty. Which is a real bummer.
I don't believe so. I think I'm being charged the same as I would be if I was at a service center
 
Unless the OP bought it used, I don't think the car is out of warranty, given around 37 months since purchase and 30k miles showing on the last dash photo.

The rodent thing never dawned on me. isn't it odd that wiring would be wrapped in something that vermin find so irrestible?
Sadly, no one has ever found something that rodents won't chew on. I have a friend who worked for a time in a naval R&D team looking for wire coatings for ships that would deter rodents, and they pretty much came up blank. As I understand it, rodents die if they don't continue wearing down their teeth, so it's pretty strongly bred into them to chew on whatever is around. I've heard lots of stories over the years of people's cars failing to start, a tow to the mechanic, and discovering the harness has been gnawed through.
 
I clearly didn't pay attention to the time duration of the warranty for obvious reasons lol

Oh, yeah. I forgot that you are one of the high miles kings. Well, not that I would advocate this, but if you are under 48 months, such that only miles are the issue, AND if you know how to program a digital coat hanger, I could walk you through how to digitally insert it behind your digital odometer, and roll a whole bunch of miles off. Just sayin'...
 
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