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Kim Java - Preview Gravity?

240 said:
I’m still amazed that in the review she’s getting 3.13 mi/kwH on a roadtrip. I’m lucky to even maintain 2.58 mi/kwH. The last time I took the car to service (sat with them for almost a month), they were supposed to do a range test to see if there was something wrong with my drive train, but of course in typical Lucid Service fashion, they ignored it and then after a month without the vehicle, I was fed up with waiting for it.
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I am around 3.05mi/kwh lately. If I switch to standard regen it drops. But high regen keeps me just above 3. I also removed my aero covers so it could be higher if I put them back on.
ke2 said:
The thing I found weird was the inability to use the Lucid App. Has anyone heard of the Lucid App just spinning for several minutes?
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DeaneG said:
I've had this happen at home recently while on wifi (Android phone - pixel 11 pro). If I terminate the app and restart it, it connects quickly.
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This happens less often of late, but yes, the App used to be highly variable in waking up my Gravity. Can be frustrating. But lately, as in the last few weeks, I have noticed it is quite a bit more reliably, waking it up almost instantly. I use the unlock and start function almost every night when I'm putting the cars in. Unfortunate that hers still had that lag.
 
I honestly don't think most people even know what FSD is. If I talk to people in my social circle, very few actually know that Teslas can drive you (while supervised) door to door. That said, when people find out about it, they are amazed. They still don't want a Tesla though (more so because of looks, perceived quality, etc. than Elon, but also that).

As much as I like driving myself, I have no doubt that point-to-point will be table stakes for your average buyer by 2028. This will partially be driven by widespread robotaxi availability and partially driven by increased consumer offerings of point-to-point.
 
zoomzoom said:
Strong disagree with your assessment of what the majority of owners want regarding FSD. Even among Tesla owners a tiny percent of people actually have it. They are just extremely vocal and try to speak for the majority which they don't represent. Most people just need adaptive cruise control and will be happy. You can disagree but the stats don't lie.


Either way, better assisted driving features will be coming across all automakers in the years ahead.
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Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.
 
Both Kim and Kyle seem to possibly keep fobs near, or in Kyle's case, in the Gravity. It was Tesla, and probably others, who warn not to do this for battery wear.

I thought the review more than fair, especially doubling back on 3rd row space. I had low expectations, but she covered more engineering than "engineering explained", when Jason slighted on a passenger window issue and moved with his 1m+ subs to the Mach-E. The loaners have had mixed impact.

I feel like there's two camps. Those who bought on promises, "450", "AR HUD", etc., and those who've bought this year, who'd be foolish not to have gotten real-world takes about software, range, etc. The latter have lots to be satisfied about, but lately it's as if 3.6.0 was not as pivotal as Napoli / others made it seem. That was my "buy" trigger, and I've found the gremlins since pretty small. Kyle's "drunk" weaving, supposedly in DPro, isn't something others report. Me neither. The aforementioned fob issue, I blame him & Kim for. It's all part of the arbitrary, high-risk idea of loaning cars to Youtubers, who call ~$150k Cayennes "big SUVs", or the clicks an all-Ford garage can bring. Overall, hat's off to Kim Java.
 
martinjlm said:
Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.
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The argument for/against FSD is now becoming less “I don’t trust it” and more “I can’t afford it.”
 
gamix said:
Both Kim and Kyle seem to possibly keep fobs near, or in Kyle's case, in the Gravity. It was Tesla, and probably others, who warn not to do this for battery wear.

I thought the review more than fair, especially doubling back on 3rd row space. I had low expectations, but she covered more engineering than "engineering explained", when Jason slighted on a passenger window issue and moved with his 1m+ subs to the Mach-E. The loaners have had mixed impact.

I feel like there's two camps. Those who bought on promises, "450", "AR HUD", etc., and those who've bought this year, who'd be foolish not to have gotten real-world takes about software, range, etc. The latter have lots to be satisfied about, but lately it's as if 3.6.0 was not as pivotal as Napoli / others made it seem. That was my "buy" trigger, and I've found the gremlins since pretty small. Kyle's "drunk" weaving, supposedly in DPro, isn't something others report. Me neither. The aforementioned fob issue, I blame him & Kim for. It's all part of the arbitrary, high-risk idea of loaning cars to Youtubers, who call ~$150k Cayennes "big SUVs", or the clicks an all-Ford garage can bring. Overall, hat's off to Kim Java.
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I have definitely experienced the “drunk weaving” in DDP2 occasionally. Not on a regular basis but a few occasions. I seem to remember a few others on this site reporting similar issues.
 
I think there's no chance of Lucid leading the non-Tesla competition for FSD-like functionality. Not for Air/Gravity, and not for Cosmos. They don't have an internal software team that they believe in, so they're switching to an Nvidia based solution, which means they'll be in sync with all the other auto companies planning to use Nvidia. Best case is they're a little faster to market with it, and have a one model year lead. And considering their general pace-of-execution challenges around software, and the current leadership's focus on cost cutting, expecting them to be faster to execute an Nvidia ADAS system seems fairly optimistic.
 
Bdr100 said:
1. And if your child is a one year old and buckled in a car seat?
3. A large portion of the target competition has PaaK, so this should be a priority. I am so tired of the “explainers” on this site stating “My key works all the time” as if implying those who have issues must be doing something wrong. Still having key fob issues a year and half after launch is an embarrassment, particularly when it is a review car driven by a very influential YouTuber.
4. Having an FSD type system will be a game changer for Lucid. If Lucid is able to release Cosmos with v14 FSD type system (or at least v13, with v14 on horizon), they will be serious competition for Model Y and keep in the hunt with Rivian R2. For those on this site that state “I bought my Lucid to drive because it is such a great driving car and don’t car about autonomy”, you are in the vast minority. People looking at buying an high tech EV are definitely looking for autonomy. Someone looking for a Ford F150, probably don’t care.
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Disagree, only Tesla fanboys want it. Not every Tesla buyer is buying it for FSD. They have more service centers, better software - and I don’t mean FSD.

We never use it and don’t care for it. Only bought a Tesla since service was close by and software just works.
 
martinjlm said:
Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.
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Sorry, that included those who signed up for a free trial. How many of those converted to paid subscription and do they keep it as long as they have the vehicle? Definitely not! More hogwash from Tesla.

I want to see the un-redacted crash data, then Tesla can yap about FSD nonsense!
 
gamix said:
"75%" came up in an earnings call (CFO Taneja), where it included active free trial subscriptions within a recent sales number. It's somewhere between 2% and 75%, I believe.
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Fair enough. The subscribe after free trial number is most likely something below 75%. But the 2% number is a 2024 number when the system was warmed over garbage. Within the past 15 months or so it has experienced an incredible level of improvement. Without getting deep into Tesla's underwear getting a real number for the ones who re-up after the 30 day trial is not really possible.
 
gaskiller said:
Sorry, that included those who signed up for a free trial. How many of those converted to paid subscription and do they keep it as long as they have the vehicle? Definitely not! More hogwash from Tesla.

I want to see the un-redacted crash data, then Tesla can yap about FSD nonsense!
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Yeah, Tesla's treatment of their safety data as a marketing exercise rather than genuine transparency is part of what turns me off FSD. When FSD has misbehaved for me, I have to wonder whether it's a sign of deep problems that Musk is papering over, or not. Waymo isn't exactly 100% transparent either, but they've been way more willing to disclose things and get 3rd parties in then Tesla has. Add in some well documented instances of Musk flat out lying (e.g. denying a Reuter's report that turned out to be true), and I'm cautious. I don't deny that FSD works amazingly well. But I've also spent a lot of my life engineering around human factors, and humans just don't do well attentively supervising something in the way Tesla is asking people to do. I'll reconsider FSD if it ever becomes fully unsupervised, and there's transparent data to back up safety claims. To be fair, I'm not eager for supervised driving from other companies either. I saw a recent NotchEV video where he was driving with hands-free on, and spending quite a bit of time looking away from the road as he filmed. I don't really blame him, it's human nature.
 
9point81 said:
Honestly, the fanboys will just move the bar if Lucid has a version of FSD. Mark my words. It won’t ever be good enough. They still won’t switch.
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I am both a Tesla owner and a Gravity owner, and I have driven a loaner Air. Each brand and vehicle carries distinct strengths and drawbacks. Even if Lucid offered FSD, I would still choose another Tesla over another Lucid. Although the Lucid interior is more refined and the build feels more luxurious, the differences in software, service, and reliability place Tesla well ahead, making the comparison uneven. If Tesla introduced a larger vehicle for road trips, buyers like me would not hesitate over the Gravity.

I disabled my homelink because it keeps opening my garage door without warning. When a company fails to handle such software properly, trusting more complex systems becomes difficult.

Lastly, Lucid really should’ve built the Gravity around licensing Tesla’s FSD. Had they done so, they’d already have a vehicle that fills the gap in today’s market.
 
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240 said:
I am both a Tesla owner and a Gravity owner, and I have driven a loaner Air. Each brand and vehicle carries distinct strengths and drawbacks. Even if Lucid offered FSD, I would still choose another Tesla over another Lucid. Although the Lucid interior is more refined and the build feels more luxurious, the differences in software, service, and reliability place Tesla well ahead, making the comparison uneven. If Tesla introduced a larger vehicle for road trips, buyers like me would not hesitate over the Gravity.

I disabled my homelink because it keeps opening my garage door without warning. When a company fails to handle such software properly, trusting more complex systems becomes difficult.
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I used to think Lucids software was their biggest problem, but now i believe they themselves are their biggest problem. Air has been out 5 years and still not reliable mobile keys. Gravity going on several years too. This isn’t a lack of software skills, it’s a totally busted way of doing things. They are their own worst enemy.

Having said that, Tesla over Lucid? Eww. Idk. If the service wasn’t so bad I’d argue harder. But I went BMW instead of another Tesla. That company is destroying the world. I chose BMW solely because Lucid service and customer service is so bad.
 
socktucker said:
I used to think Lucids software was their biggest problem, but now i believe they themselves are their biggest problem. Air has been out 5 years and still not reliable mobile keys. Gravity going on several years too.
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Gravity hasn’t been out several years tho. If you want to count those few who got the first batch, then we are coming up on 2 years. The rest of us can only say at most about a year and a half at most.
 
240 said:
I am both a Tesla owner and a Gravity owner, and I have driven a loaner Air. Each brand and vehicle carries distinct strengths and drawbacks. Even if Lucid offered FSD, I would still choose another Tesla over another Lucid. Although the Lucid interior is more refined and the build feels more luxurious, the differences in software, service, and reliability place Tesla well ahead, making the comparison uneven. If Tesla introduced a larger vehicle for road trips, buyers like me would not hesitate over the Gravity.

I disabled my homelink because it keeps opening my garage door without warning. When a company fails to handle such software properly, trusting more complex systems becomes difficult.

Lastly, Lucid really should’ve built the Gravity around licensing Tesla’s FSD. Had they done so, they’d already have a vehicle that fills the gap in today’s market.
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Hmm. I sold all three of our Teslas due to being unreliable hardware. Over and over. I would choose the exact opposite of you.

We own an Air and Gravity. Sold our X and S and 3. And very happy we did. Never had a single Homelink issue with either car. Hardware has been solid and software solid for past 9months. FSD is honestly the only thing Tesla does better for us. We have two service centers closer than Tesla SC though. That’s helpful.
 
Bdr100 said:
For those on this site that state “I bought my Lucid to drive because it is such a great driving car and don’t car about autonomy”, you are in the vast minority. People looking at buying an high tech EV are definitely looking for autonomy. Someone looking for a Ford F150, probably don’t care.
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Minority or not...still on't give a rat's a** about FSD. Let the masses bore themselves to death with it!
LOVE actually driving this car; it's genuinely fun and handles nearly as well as my wife's Taycan..for reals
 
socktucker said:
How many years is enough years?
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My point is your statement was incorrect…the car has not been around two years. I remember when Teslas vehicles were not yet two years old. They improved over the years. I want Gravity and Air to improve as well but some people need to step back a minute and give it time. You signed up for this by buying a new model car from a very young company. This is how it goes. All things in time (hopefully!)
 
9point81 said:
My point is your statement was incorrect…the car has not been around two years. I remember when Teslas vehicles were not yet two years old. They improved over the years. I want Gravity and Air to improve as well but some people need to step back a minute and give it time. You signed up for this by buying a new model car from a very young company. This is how it goes. All things in time (hopefully!)
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It's been 16 months of the Gravity being in the hands of people who aren't insiders. The Dec '24 "launch" was entirely a marketing exercise, and not the commencement of Gravity deliveries. Lucid has certainly improved things a lot since July '25, but they started in such a deep hole given the sad state of the software at that time. The end result is that today the software is in an acceptable state, but not one that generates really enthusiastic reviews. If they'd launched with today's software, which is probably closer to what people placing pre-orders thought they were signing up for, then today we might have a vehicle where a review didn't have so many caveats attached.
 
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