Kim Java - Preview Gravity?

[RajD]

I’m still amazed that in the review she’s getting 3.13 mi/kwH on a roadtrip. I’m lucky to even maintain 2.58 mi/kwH. The last time I took the car to service (sat with them for almost a month), they were supposed to do a range test to see if there was something wrong with my drive train, but of course in typical Lucid Service fashion, they ignored it and then after a month without the vehicle, I was fed up with waiting for it.

I am around 3.05mi/kwh lately. If I switch to standard regen it drops. But high regen keeps me just above 3. I also removed my aero covers so it could be higher if I put them back on.

The thing I found weird was the inability to use the Lucid App. Has anyone heard of the Lucid App just spinning for several minutes?

I've had this happen at home recently while on wifi (Android phone - pixel 11 pro). If I terminate the app and restart it, it connects quickly.

This happens less often of late, but yes, the App used to be highly variable in waking up my Gravity. Can be frustrating. But lately, as in the last few weeks, I have noticed it is quite a bit more reliably, waking it up almost instantly. I use the unlock and start function almost every night when I'm putting the cars in. Unfortunate that hers still had that lag.

 

[The_Don]

I honestly don't think most people even know what FSD is. If I talk to people in my social circle, very few actually know that Teslas can drive you (while supervised) door to door. That said, when people find out about it, they are amazed. They still don't want a Tesla though (more so because of looks, perceived quality, etc. than Elon, but also that).

As much as I like driving myself, I have no doubt that point-to-point will be table stakes for your average buyer by 2028. This will partially be driven by widespread robotaxi availability and partially driven by increased consumer offerings of point-to-point.

 

[martinjlm]

Strong disagree with your assessment of what the majority of owners want regarding FSD. Even among Tesla owners a tiny percent of people actually have it. They are just extremely vocal and try to speak for the majority which they don't represent. Most people just need adaptive cruise control and will be happy. You can disagree but the stats don't lie.


Either way, better assisted driving features will be coming across all automakers in the years ahead.

Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.

 

[gamix]

Both Kim and Kyle seem to possibly keep fobs near, or in Kyle's case, in the Gravity. It was Tesla, and probably others, who warn not to do this for battery wear.

I thought the review more than fair, especially doubling back on 3rd row space. I had low expectations, but she covered more engineering than "engineering explained", when Jason slighted on a passenger window issue and moved with his 1m+ subs to the Mach-E. The loaners have had mixed impact.

I feel like there's two camps. Those who bought on promises, "450", "AR HUD", etc., and those who've bought this year, who'd be foolish not to have gotten real-world takes about software, range, etc. The latter have lots to be satisfied about, but lately it's as if 3.6.0 was not as pivotal as Napoli / others made it seem. That was my "buy" trigger, and I've found the gremlins since pretty small. Kyle's "drunk" weaving, supposedly in DPro, isn't something others report. Me neither. The aforementioned fob issue, I blame him & Kim for. It's all part of the arbitrary, high-risk idea of loaning cars to Youtubers, who call ~$150k Cayennes "big SUVs", or the clicks an all-Ford garage can bring. Overall, hat's off to Kim Java.

 

[gamix]

Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners.

"75%" came up in an earnings call (CFO Taneja), where it included active free trial subscriptions within a recent sales number. It's somewhere between 2% and 75%, I believe.

 

[Bdr100]

Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.

The argument for/against FSD is now becoming less “I don’t trust it” and more “I can’t afford it.”

 

[Bdr100]

Both Kim and Kyle seem to possibly keep fobs near, or in Kyle's case, in the Gravity. It was Tesla, and probably others, who warn not to do this for battery wear.

I thought the review more than fair, especially doubling back on 3rd row space. I had low expectations, but she covered more engineering than "engineering explained", when Jason slighted on a passenger window issue and moved with his 1m+ subs to the Mach-E. The loaners have had mixed impact.

I feel like there's two camps. Those who bought on promises, "450", "AR HUD", etc., and those who've bought this year, who'd be foolish not to have gotten real-world takes about software, range, etc. The latter have lots to be satisfied about, but lately it's as if 3.6.0 was not as pivotal as Napoli / others made it seem. That was my "buy" trigger, and I've found the gremlins since pretty small. Kyle's "drunk" weaving, supposedly in DPro, isn't something others report. Me neither. The aforementioned fob issue, I blame him & Kim for. It's all part of the arbitrary, high-risk idea of loaning cars to Youtubers, who call ~$150k Cayennes "big SUVs", or the clicks an all-Ford garage can bring. Overall, hat's off to Kim Java.

I have definitely experienced the “drunk weaving” in DDP2 occasionally. Not on a regular basis but a few occasions. I seem to remember a few others on this site reporting similar issues.

 

[TahoeMichael]

I think there's no chance of Lucid leading the non-Tesla competition for FSD-like functionality. Not for Air/Gravity, and not for Cosmos. They don't have an internal software team that they believe in, so they're switching to an Nvidia based solution, which means they'll be in sync with all the other auto companies planning to use Nvidia. Best case is they're a little faster to market with it, and have a one model year lead. And considering their general pace-of-execution challenges around software, and the current leadership's focus on cost cutting, expecting them to be faster to execute an Nvidia ADAS system seems fairly optimistic.

 

[gaskiller]

1. And if your child is a one year old and buckled in a car seat?
3. A large portion of the target competition has PaaK, so this should be a priority. I am so tired of the “explainers” on this site stating “My key works all the time” as if implying those who have issues must be doing something wrong. Still having key fob issues a year and half after launch is an embarrassment, particularly when it is a review car driven by a very influential YouTuber.
4. Having an FSD type system will be a game changer for Lucid. If Lucid is able to release Cosmos with v14 FSD type system (or at least v13, with v14 on horizon), they will be serious competition for Model Y and keep in the hunt with Rivian R2. For those on this site that state “I bought my Lucid to drive because it is such a great driving car and don’t car about autonomy”, you are in the vast minority. People looking at buying an high tech EV are definitely looking for autonomy. Someone looking for a Ford F150, probably don’t care.

Disagree, only Tesla fanboys want it. Not every Tesla buyer is buying it for FSD. They have more service centers, better software - and I don’t mean FSD.

We never use it and don’t care for it. Only bought a Tesla since service was close by and software just works.

 

[gaskiller]

Actually that is not true. Tesla moved from a full purchase model priced at $8 - 15k depending on when you bought it, to a $99/month subscription model. Take rate for the subscription is somewhere around 75% of new owners. We have been subscribing to it for about 2 years of the 3 that we've owned our Model Y.

Sorry, that included those who signed up for a free trial. How many of those converted to paid subscription and do they keep it as long as they have the vehicle? Definitely not! More hogwash from Tesla.

I want to see the un-redacted crash data, then Tesla can yap about FSD nonsense!

 

[martinjlm]

"75%" came up in an earnings call (CFO Taneja), where it included active free trial subscriptions within a recent sales number. It's somewhere between 2% and 75%, I believe.

Fair enough. The subscribe after free trial number is most likely something below 75%. But the 2% number is a 2024 number when the system was warmed over garbage. Within the past 15 months or so it has experienced an incredible level of improvement. Without getting deep into Tesla's underwear getting a real number for the ones who re-up after the 30 day trial is not really possible.

 

[TahoeMichael]

Sorry, that included those who signed up for a free trial. How many of those converted to paid subscription and do they keep it as long as they have the vehicle? Definitely not! More hogwash from Tesla.

I want to see the un-redacted crash data, then Tesla can yap about FSD nonsense!

Yeah, Tesla's treatment of their safety data as a marketing exercise rather than genuine transparency is part of what turns me off FSD. When FSD has misbehaved for me, I have to wonder whether it's a sign of deep problems that Musk is papering over, or not. Waymo isn't exactly 100% transparent either, but they've been way more willing to disclose things and get 3rd parties in then Tesla has. Add in some well documented instances of Musk flat out lying (e.g. denying a Reuter's report that turned out to be true), and I'm cautious. I don't deny that FSD works amazingly well. But I've also spent a lot of my life engineering around human factors, and humans just don't do well attentively supervising something in the way Tesla is asking people to do. I'll reconsider FSD if it ever becomes fully unsupervised, and there's transparent data to back up safety claims. To be fair, I'm not eager for supervised driving from other companies either. I saw a recent NotchEV video where he was driving with hands-free on, and spending quite a bit of time looking away from the road as he filmed. I don't really blame him, it's human nature.