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Knock Knock, Lucid… It’s the Air Owners. Remember Us? 😂

Northpointe said:
Given the prior announcements around a fall 26 launch of UX 3.0 I suspect that the majority of the development work is behind them. While delays are entirely possible, there’s no reason to believe it won’t be released in the near future.
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I think there are actually many reasons to believe it won’t be released in the near future, but one will hope.
 
doubletwist said:
I should hope that Lucid has enough developers to work on more than one thing at a time. Especially given I thought they had contracted a third party to help them with the HUD specifically.

Besides, too many people trying to fix the same thing just doesn't work. It's kind of a " too many cooks spoil the soup" kind of thing.

You want your devs working on different things in parallel.
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You want your sw modularized with well defined inputs and output so you have the ability to alter each module or replace it independently
And if you design like this you tend to break fewer things during releases
Oh and any inputs that are not explicitly defined need to have error handling code nothing should be assumed
 
Aka-none said:
You want your sw modularized with well defined inputs and output so you have the ability to alter each module or replace it independently
And if you design like this you tend to break fewer things during releases
Oh and any inputs that are not explicitly defined need to have error handling code nothing should be assumed
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I have been a Lucid supporter and fan, and intended to get another Air as my lease is over. However, I am getting concerned about the support for the AIr.. I spoke to a rep at local Lucid showroom and asked about current sales... He said Gravity inventory is moving with current incentives, but could not say much about Air sales/leasing -- even with the 2026 August incentives. Worse yet, my always-responsive contact at the service center has gone radio silent for past few weeks.. It was also odd that the opening of the 2027 Air order portal was not really promoted... Is the Air just a lame duck at this point?
 
donfenn said:
I have been a Lucid supporter and fan, and intended to get another Air as my lease is over. However, I am getting concerned about the support for the AIr.. I spoke to a rep at local Lucid showroom and asked about current sales... He said Gravity inventory is moving with current incentives, but could not say much about Air sales/leasing -- even with the 2026 August incentives. Worse yet, my always-responsive contact at the service center has gone radio silent for past few weeks.. It was also odd that the opening of the 2027 Air order portal was not really promoted... Is the Air just a lame duck at this point?
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It feels like they’re slapping together a 27 out of some 26 parts. If I were them I would retire it and build the Cosmos. There was basically no fanfare whatsoever about the 27 Air from Lucid but there’s been a lot about new Gravity trims and Cosmos
 
I'd like to think that 28 Air may get noteworthy updates but I suspect most of Lucid's energies would be geared toward nailing the mid sized launch. The demand doesn't seem to be there for Air sized luxury sedans. With the discontinuation of the Model S it felt like Lucid had an opportunity to grab market share. When my lease is up in 2028 I'd prefer to have a refreshed Air as on option but if not the i5 LCI, E Class Electric and S6 e-tron should be available.
 
socktucker said:
It feels like they’re slapping together a 27 out of some 26 parts. If I were them I would retire it and build the Cosmos. There was basically no fanfare whatsoever about the 27 Air from Lucid but there’s been a lot about new Gravity trims and Cosmos
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All of the Air sedans have pretty much been built from same parts since debut. Software has matured, heat pump added, processor updated and systems tweaked, but the basic body and trim is the same. They can't really justify or afford to change the basics right now, but I hope that some updates on operating system happen. It is still the best big fast four- door cruiser out there.......
 
socktucker said:
It feels like they’re slapping together a 27 out of some 26 parts. If I were them I would retire it and build the Cosmos. There was basically no fanfare whatsoever about the 27 Air from Lucid but there’s been a lot about new Gravity trims and Cosmos
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...what if the real 27 is the friends we made along the way

yes, of course they are building a 27 out of 26 parts; they are the same vehicle ffs. lol

they did not refresh the air in 2027. maybe they will for 2028. but 'slapping together a 27 out of some 26 parts' is bananas, when they're literally the same vehicle lol
 
borski said:
...what if the real 27 is the friends we made along the way

yes, of course they are building a 27 out of 26 parts; they are the same vehicle ffs. lol

they did not refresh the air in 2027. maybe they will for 2028. but 'slapping together a 27 out of some 26 parts' is bananas, when they're literally the same vehicle lol
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That’s what I mean it’s just an iteration it’s not new
 
Many cars are built on essentially the same basic platform for years. Larger manufacturers can keep them looking fresh by changing trim every few years, adding a new grille, revising bumpers or making other cosmetic changes. Lucid really doesn’t have the resources or volume to play that game. That said, this isn’t unique to Lucid. I previously had a BMW 8 Series, and that car has remained largely the same since around 2020. It’s now nearing the end of its run.

The good news is that the basic Air is still a pretty damn good car, and the incremental updates have continued to make it better.

Lucid is promoting $699 leases this month, and once the ’27s begin arriving, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them push the Stealth & Sound version as the next promotional sweet spot. It gives them a way to create a more distinctive step-up model for sedan drivers in the mid-price tier without having to substantially redesign the Air.
 
The Gravity software has improved a lot, but there's obviously still some room for polish to be applied. I'm not sure why an Air owner would be eager to shift to the Gravity's software base before Garvity owners are pretty uniformly happy with the software quality. Given the sentiment amongst Gravity owners, I think this year is possible for the Air, but I would expect late in the year.
 
TahoeMichael said:
The Gravity software has improved a lot, but there's obviously still some room for polish to be applied. I'm not sure why an Air owner would be eager to shift to the Gravity's software base before Garvity owners are pretty uniformly happy with the software quality. Given the sentiment amongst Gravity owners, I think this year is possible for the Air, but I would expect late in the year.
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As a prior long-term Air owner and a current Gravity owner, I'd take Gravity's software over the Air's in a heartbeat. The Air's software was workable and OK. Gravity's is pretty good, much nicer to use and more reliable than that in our 2021 Volvo. My only current issue ia alternate song skipping on Spotify, a new thing.
 
doubletwist said:
I should hope that Lucid has enough developers to work on more than one thing at a time. Especially given I thought they had contracted a third party to help them with the HUD specifically.

Besides, too many people trying to fix the same thing just doesn't work. It's kind of a " too many cooks spoil the soup" kind of thing.

You want your devs working on different things in parallel.
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Totally agree. If they can only focus one thing at a time, they will be in serious trouble long term. They really need one software stack like Tesla, if they can’t make that happen across all of their cars, if they continue making the Air and Gravity when the Cosmos comes out, then that is not a good strategy or sound business strategy.
 
DBV said:
Totally agree. If they can only focus one thing at a time, they will be in serious trouble long term. They really need one software stack like Tesla, if they can’t make that happen across all of their cars, if they continue making the Air and Gravity when the Cosmos comes out, then that is not a good strategy or sound business strategy.
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Yes, and they are in serious trouble short term. Emailed a compliment to the CEO. Zero response. Somehow, the Costco CEO (or his comms person) can respond in 24 hours. No biggie, I did not expect a response, but you know there are a lot of smart people on this forum who have run big businesses (I am one of them). I could go in and make big changes and see real impact. Not sure the elevator guy is going to be the answer we were looking for as I don't see any changes from the prior regime. And yes, my favorite service guy has gone dark as well so I'm concerned he may have left. And my favorite sales guy said no 27 Air, and we have a 27 Air, kind of. I was hoping they would figure out a way to introduce a NACS port on the 27's but I remember reading here that it would require all sorts of "metal stamping" changes. Or something like that.

Having said all of this, if you want a luxury sedan EV, the Air is still the best option in my opinion. They could run the Air well, carve out a niche, maybe even get some fleet (airport cars) customers, and turn it into a margin builder instead of a margin drain. Not sure they are thinking that way. Everything seems to be "either or" as they evaluate tradeoffs. Back to the title of this thread... either they work on Gravity software OR they work on Air. Doesn't seem like both can happen with the current staffing or capability levels.
 
DBV said:
Totally agree. If they can only focus one thing at a time, they will be in serious trouble long term. They really need one software stack like Tesla, if they can’t make that happen across all of their cars, if they continue making the Air and Gravity when the Cosmos comes out, then that is not a good strategy or sound business strategy.
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My understanding is that the Gravity, Cosmos and future vehicles will share the same software stack but the Air needed a complete code rewrite to match.
 
goldengate said:
No biggie, I did not expect a response, but you know there are a lot of smart people on this forum who have run big businesses (I am one of them). I could go in and make big changes and see real impact. Not sure the elevator guy is going to be the answer we were looking for as I don't see any changes from the prior regime.
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As someone who has run big businesses then you of all people should know that big changes don't just magically happen overnight. Silvio has only been in the position for a few months, it's completely unreasonable to think that you would see any visibility from big changes being made this early into his tenure. He's practically installed an entire new leadership team which will take time to steer things in the right direction.
 
goldengate said:
...I was hoping they would figure out a way to introduce a NACS port on the 27's but I remember reading here that it would require all sorts of "metal stamping" changes. Or something like that....
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The changes needed for Air to use a NACS port, and charge at 225+ kW on a 400V Tesla supercharger, go well beyond sheet metal modifications. Basically, the Air would have to be reengineered to take Gravity's Rear Drive Unit, possibly also affecting the rear trunk design and the car's thermal management system, its Wunderbox would need a redesign, and left front and left rear sheetmetal would need redesign and retooling. And some software changes to match. These are just the things that are obvious, I'm sure there are a few other large items and likely hundreds of small ones that I'm not aware of. I'd guess this would take a dozen or more engineers a year or so of effort. Let's hope for model year 2028.
 
DeaneG said:
The changes needed for Air to use a NACS port, and charge at 225+ kW on a 400V Tesla supercharger, go well beyond sheet metal modifications. Basically, the Air would have to be reengineered to take Gravity's Rear Drive Unit, possibly also affecting the rear trunk design and the car's thermal management system, its Wunderbox would need a redesign, and left front and left rear sheetmetal would need redesign and retooling. And some software changes to match. These are just the things that are obvious, I'm sure there are a few other large items and likely hundreds of small ones that I'm not aware of. I'd guess this would take a dozen or more engineers a year or so of effort. Let's hope for model year 2028.
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And after all that you have to be reasonably confident that you can recoup those engineering costs and grow sales in a declining segment (large sedans). That’s not to say that Air won’t go through a major redesign including NACS, but there are some economic hurdles and market realities to overcome.
 
HC_79 said:
My understanding is that the Gravity, Cosmos and future vehicles will share the same software stack but the Air needed a complete code rewrite to match.
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don't think so. During the investor meeting, they mentioned that Cosmos will feature R4.0, though it's still unclear if that will come to Gravity. Ideally, they should have made the R3.0 version in Gravity compatible with Cosmos—but I could be wrong!
 
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