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Air + DreamDrive Pro: Were We Left Behind?

bassmaster187 said:
A Hyundai works on all streets. Not just on predefined highways...
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Having owned a Hyundai Ioniq 5, their ADAS is not comparable to Lucid’s. It regularly left the lane and lost track of where it was.

Also, our Hyundai did not have lane centering on non-highways; have they added that now? We only had crappy lane centering, and only on highways.

YMMV, of course.
 
Stevie Bee said:
Yesterday’s Investor Day left me with a pretty troubling question as an Air owner who paid for DreamDrive Pro.

From what I heard, Lucid discussed a roadmap that seems to move well beyond today’s freeway hands-free capability — toward hands-free city driving, then Level 3, and eventually Level 4 — but the vehicles specifically mentioned appeared to be Gravity and the upcoming midsize platform, including Cosmos. I did not hear the Air mentioned in that part of the roadmap.

If that’s correct, it’s very disappointing.

Many of us bought DreamDrive Pro with the understanding that the Air’s hardware stack was built for meaningful advancement over time. The car has a very substantial 32-sensor suite — cameras, radar, ultrasonic sensors, and LiDAR — and I think it was reasonable for owners to expect progress beyond hands-free highway driving.

So I’m hoping to get to the bottom of two things:
  1. Did Lucid explicitly leave the Air out of the future autonomy roadmap?
  2. If so, what does that mean for Air owners who paid for DreamDrive Pro expecting the platform to continue to evolve?
To try to get clarity directly, I emailed Kay Stepper, who leads Autonomy, and Nick Twork, who handles communications. If I hear back, I’ll report anything I can share.

I want to be fair here: maybe I missed something, or maybe Lucid intends to clarify that Air will also benefit from some or all of these future autonomy advances. But if the Investor Day message was effectively that Gravity and Cosmos are the path forward for advanced autonomy while Air is not, then I think Lucid owes Air owners a clear explanation.
At a minimum, owners deserve transparency on:
  • what DreamDrive Pro on Air will still receive,
  • what it will not receive,
  • and whether Lucid still considers the Air hardware platform capable of the autonomy progression being discussed publicly.Win casino onlayn kazino
I’d really like to hear from others who watched the presentation. Did you come away with the same impression, or did I miss an Air-specific commitment somewhere?
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I got the same impression - the messaging seemed very focused on future platforms rather than Air. Even if it’s just a matter of prioritization, it would really help if Lucid clarified what Air owners can realistically expect going forward.
 
MilesKinsley said:
I got the same impression - the messaging seemed very focused on future platforms rather than Air. Even if it’s just a matter of prioritization, it would really help if Lucid clarified what Air owners can realistically expect going forward.
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Personally, I think I got exactly what I paid for: hands-free driving on most highways. When I buy a car, I don't expect an unlimited feature set.
 
MilesKinsley said:
I got the same impression - the messaging seemed very focused on future platforms rather than Air. Even if it’s just a matter of prioritization, it would really help if Lucid clarified what Air owners can realistically expect going forward.
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Here is a little meandering...

Not specifically related to ADAS, but to keeping the Air current.

I believe Lucid will support Air owners - many are on leases that will be coming due over the next 12-24 months and they want those to be return customers. Least expensive customer acquisition you can get! Plus, if Lucid puts all recent-build platforms on a single UI, they will upgrade the Air experience, rationalize the development and service costs of upgrades over multiple vehicles and be able to provide that "Lucid Experience" to all owners.

But, I'm a shareholder, so I have a vested interest - and, in general, I'm pretty sure I'm a little crazy, as well! 🙃

Now, back to keeping Lucid Air ADAS and the future...
 
It helps to silently put "...based on what we know right now... " onto every forward-looking message. Lucid doesn't seem like they're intentionally misleading anyone, but we all reserve the right to wake up smarter in the morning. Four years ago everyone was kind of guessing what hardware would be needed to eventually support L4 self-driving. We now have actual examples of that and it looks like the best solution will require more and different hardware than they built in. I can respect that. Given what's at stake, I think it's best not to try to make L3/4 work with just bravado and a few cameras.
 
Alex said:
What about the cyber truck? It has an ethernet ring like the Lucid. The requirements for the ODB II port are primarily for emission requirements and other ice related items, and those are not necessary for electric cars. There’s a minimum set of requirements primarily for things like mileage and VIN I believe.
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Ethernet is not a ring topology, Ethernet is and end point hub architecture. Just saying
 
Apparently where I drive there are too many edge cases that no one else has experienced?
Winter, snow on roads but it’s been cleared and the roads are dry. On the sides of the road are lovely very bright white “lines”.
Next, driving along and passing a vehicle,when a puff of wind blows them into your lane. My preference is for the car to tell me hey your running out of have. But I want to avoid the firm looking sugar sand that is the shoulder.
And the infamous road construction with multiple lines going all over the place.
Just things I see that happen mostly rarely but never fun
 
Aka-none said:
Ethernet is not a ring topology, Ethernet is and end point hub architecture. Just saying
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Not to belabor the point, but there is such a thing. Rather than me having to type a lot, here is a Grok response (which I have checked over):

Both Lucid and Tesla/Cybertruck use gigabit Ethernet rings for high-speed data and redundancy—if one path fails, traffic reroutes the other way. Lucid’s came first, debuting in the Air around 2021. It has four computer gateways, one in each corner, mainly powering their DreamDrive ADAS with fast sensor data for safety systems like braking and steering.

Cybertruck’s version, called Etherloop, launched in 2023 and is more ambitious. It connects way more endpoints across the whole vehicle—368 of them—while slashing wiring by about 68 to 73 percent compared to older Teslas. It pairs with their 48-volt architecture, handles everything from steer-by-wire to audio and active noise cancellation, and cuts weight dramatically for simpler manufacturing.

Lucid focused on ADAS redundancy; Tesla went all-in on replacing traditional wiring harnesses vehicle-wide. Tesla’s is newer and more extensive, but Lucid got there earlier.
 
Alex said:
Not to belabor the point, but there is such a thing. Rather than me having to type a lot, here is a Grok response (which I have checked over):

Both Lucid and Tesla/Cybertruck use gigabit Ethernet rings for high-speed data and redundancy—if one path fails, traffic reroutes the other way. Lucid’s came first, debuting in the Air around 2021. It has four computer gateways, one in each corner, mainly powering their DreamDrive ADAS with fast sensor data for safety systems like braking and steering.

Cybertruck’s version, called Etherloop, launched in 2023 and is more ambitious. It connects way more endpoints across the whole vehicle—368 of them—while slashing wiring by about 68 to 73 percent compared to older Teslas. It pairs with their 48-volt architecture, handles everything from steer-by-wire to audio and active noise cancellation, and cuts weight dramatically for simpler manufacturing.

Lucid focused on ADAS redundancy; Tesla went all-in on replacing traditional wiring harnesses vehicle-wide. Tesla’s is newer and more extensive, but Lucid got there earlier.
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How is having 368 endpoints on Tesla simpler than 4 gateways on Lucid?
 
I'd be totally ok with current highway assistance if it didn't keep toggle between available and then unavailable and back again along 800 yards of the same piece of highway. *cough* i495 in VA
 
borski said:
Having owned a Hyundai Ioniq 5, their ADAS is not comparable to Lucid’s. It regularly left the lane and lost track of where it was.

Also, our Hyundai did not have lane centering on non-highways; have they added that now? We only had crappy lane centering, and only on highways.

YMMV, of course.
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Having owned an 2025 EV6 GT-Line, I would say other than not being hands free, HDA2 does a spectacular job at traffic aware cruise control + automatic lane centering/following, and automatic lane changes (triggered via turn stalk).

I also had a similar experience when I owned a Genesis GV70.

Under optimal conditions, I would say that that Dream Drive Pro worked better, but it is way more inconsistent in being at that point.
 
Cheezynachos said:
Having owned an 2025 EV6 GT-Line, I would say other than not being hands free, HDA2 does a spectacular job at traffic aware cruise control + automatic lane centering/following, and automatic lane changes (triggered via turn stalk).

I also had a similar experience when I owned a Genesis GV70.

Under optimal conditions, I would say that that Dream Drive Pro worked better, but it is way more inconsistent in being at that point.
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DDPro has been very Loooong time in coming, and its current performance lags other competition, not just vs FSD. The Rivian's self-drive is much more reliable and consistent.
 
BS8899 said:
DDPro has been very Loooong time in coming, and its current performance lags other competition, not just vs FSD. The Rivian's self-drive is much more reliable and consistent.
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I’ve used hands free a few times on the highway. Maybe I’m too inpatient and hate being not in control and having to take control at a moment’s notice.

Hate that feeling. Until hands free is real hands free and look away, I’m driving my own car. I’ll check back in a decade. That’s how long it will take.
 
DDPro is pretty solid and does what I want/need it to do, even under low visibility.
 
looking forward to 3.0 update. Bought the chip in anticipation during this April’s annual service.
 
I upgraded my hardware too for UX3 I was kinda hoping the Lucid Air would get Tesla-level self-driving after the UX3 update.. Ugh, are we seriously ditching this now? Feels like a scam to me.
 
DRancid said:
I upgraded my hardware too for UX3 I was kinda hoping the Lucid Air would get Tesla-level self-driving after the UX3 update.. Ugh, are we seriously ditching this now? Feels like a scam to me.
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What made you think you were getting "Tesla-level self driving" in the Air? Aside from some very early (before Air DEs even went on sale) promotional videos, to my knowledge, that has never even been hinted at. The CCC upgrade is for infotainment only, that system has basically nothing to do with ADAS.
 
segbrk said:
What made you think you were getting "Tesla-level self driving" in the Air? Aside from some very early (before Air DEs even went on sale) promotional videos, to my knowledge, that has never even been hinted at. The CCC upgrade is for infotainment only, that system has basically nothing to do with ADAS.
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My thought was that the CCCv2 upgrade would also assist in processing for the self-driving feature.
 
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